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Doireen Kaundur
588
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:41:00 -
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Eve is Chess, while other MMOs are pretty much just Checkers. A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3336
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:43:00 -
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Anyway, it should be called "the Game you CANT Wait to play"
cos im still in work and Im jonesing it to go do some blitzing *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Eyrun Mangeiri
Schattengarde
3
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:48:00 -
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As a newbie myself I don't understand OP's problem at all. There are lot of posts in this thread explaining why you don't need to stop playing and waiting just because some skills take longer. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
324
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:50:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:DaReaper wrote:I remember what I wrote. Well, I have to disagree with your vaunted knowledge here. The point of the OP is specific and valid, even without your veteran approval. And, from your response, I cannot agree that you understood the point.
No I think you are missing the point. The requirement tab is only the bane of your existence if you have a loss set of goals. If all you want to do is fly the next ship because you are advancing, then you are playing wrong. Its again like real life, if you take a job because of the possible money you might make, but realize you hate the job and are staying due to again, the possible money you can make, then you are doing it wrong.
This is eve. I am currently on random skill training 1000, but when I had a goal I worked on stuff I enjoyed as I got set for the next thing. often I would train something and go 'nope hate this' and go back to mining |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
604
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Posted - 2014.04.10 20:52:00 -
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I never had to 'wait to play' in eve.
When i wanted to do soemthing new, i trained for it, but it didn't stop me from doing the things I already could do, mining, missions, exploring, etc.
Don't solely focus on what you are training on, also focus on what you already have trained. There's no need for a full set of lvl 5 skills before you can do something. lvl 3 in skills is already enough to dabble in things, see how it pans out. -áOver 12.000 immigrants arrive this week at the Arcology Station! -á Aurora Security boosted by military grade MTAC addition! + General MTAC Information-á-á |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1257
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:09:00 -
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I get where the OP is coming from, I understand his broader point of view. and he's not wrong, not on the larger scale of eve things. I can deal with the 'patience required' aspect to eve though, whereas it seem the OP may not be able to.
tbh I didn't read through the entire list of replies, I'm sure the usual fallacies of you can do everything from day 1 have been reposted ad-nauseum already. Its a fallacy because you can't, you can only do some of the things and some of the things is not all of the things
the things you can't do are essentially eve's endgame content YES eve has endgame content, and your a deluded fool if you think otherwise unlike other mmo's you cannot rush through levels to access that content because eve has no levels, just SP based restrictions and SP takes real world time to accumulate, rather than in game time
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Lupe Meza
Hedion University Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:25:00 -
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My feelings about the progression in EVE is very love/hate.
I'll spare you the part where I present myself as the MMO Hipster that hates all the mainstream MMO's and am now glad to be part of the EvE master race who are most definitely a think tank of the most mature and brilliant human beings humanity has to offer; not at composed of a mix of the same angry teenagers, grumpy 30-somethings, and closet geeks that usually populate an MMO.
Truth is I still play those games, well maybe not WoW anymore, but I did play it for about two years and had fun when I did. My fondest MMO memories come from City of Heroes (RIP) and Guild Wars, but have been playing these games for years since I was playing MUD's in the computer lab at school. Want to talk clunky UI? Oh boy... "Loot" these buddy...
Most of these games have to rely on subscriptions, micro transactions, or both to stay afloat; I think EVE falls into that latter category. I love that I can play other games, go to work, hang out with friends, or do anything else that goes with having a life; and my character doesn't suffer for me not doing 100 raids for a drop or grinding for the boots of awesome +3.
EVE tells me straight-up, "You have Awesome 3 trained, don't even think about flying the Death Stars for at least a year, but in that year you can do some cool things with Awesome 3." And honestly, that year won't feel like "waiting" because I'm busy playing around with what I can do. I haven't scratched the surface of all the things you can do in this sandbox and my main is going on 2 years. When I do eventually fly all that cool stuff, I'll be grateful it took so long because I'll be a better player and more likely to keep it in Space and not just flush it down the toilet because I'm a clueless noob with more ISK than sense.
But on the flipside, it is annoying that there is nothing I can do to speed up the advancement of my PvP alt. I wouldn't mind if core skill SP got nerfed a bit, but I won't cry if they don't. Ship and Weapon SP are fine where they are IMO. You can be effective with 4's as has been stated, 5 is for specialization, but you can do so much with 4's to imply that you are "forced" to wait is a bit much. Yes, there is waiting in terms of long term goals or skill heavy occupations, but there is a lot to do during that wait, and having to wait a bit makes it more satisfying really IMO.
But if a player has an "endgame" mindset they should definitely steer clear. Like I said, I played for about 2 years and have accomplished a whole lot of nothing. And loved every minute. So just play the neat internet spaceship minigame CCP included with EVE to kill time between clearing levels in the main SP Queue Game. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2459
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:33:00 -
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People with full-time jobs, families, and social lives find EvE's "hands off" system of leveling-up to be quite refreshing. If I've got a seven day skill training and I can only afford to log in one day a week, then that no-lifer who plays 23/7 is not going to be any farther ahead than I am. He'll have more ISK, but that's it. Our SP will be the same at the end of the week.
Which means that my $15 is just as valuable as his and CCP isn't twisting my arm to be logged in all the dang time just to keep up with the rest of the herd. I like that. Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20577
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:33:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Its a fallacy because you can't, you can only do some of the things and some of the things is not all of the things
the things you can't do are essentially eve's endgame content YES eve has endgame content, and your a deluded fool if you think otherwise WeeeellGǪ sure, there's GÇ£end-game contentGÇ¥ of sorts. The one thing you can't do very soon after starting the game (flying capships) isn't it, though. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Precentor Saggitus
Planet Express Transport
24
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:38:00 -
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Quote: I love that I can play other games, go to work, hang out with friends, or do anything else that goes with having a life; and my character doesn't suffer for me not doing 100 raids for a drop or grinding for the boots of awesome +3.
Probably one of the biggest attractions of EVE, for me anyhow. I love the idea my characters are still doing stuff while I'm not logged in. Biggest drag of a lot of other MMOs. You fall behind so quickly if you're not constantly flogging the new content.
Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow. |
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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
2360
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:45:00 -
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Well, despite all the trolling, the OP is right...and we all know it. EVE is not a game for the instant gratification crowd. It is a game of patience and time. It is a lot like wine making...you must let it age a bit before you drink of it. Not that it is a good or great wine mind you...but, it is better than puddle water. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20577
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:51:00 -
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Ginseng Jita wrote:Well, despite all the trolling, the OP is right...and we all know it. Not really, no. He just assumes that EVE should work like your average grind MMO, even going so far as implying it's the only true way for them to work. Neither is particularly true. The notion that you have to wait to play is thoroughly misinformed.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Harrison Tato
Barringtons Research The Star harvesters of indeterminate Tenacity
43
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Posted - 2014.04.10 21:53:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:
A couple months later, reality has finally settled in, and it isn't pretty. EVE is not the exciting adventure I imagined it would be in those initial hours and days of playing. Quite frankly, it is an utterly maddening experiment in "hurry up and wait." I have concludedGÇöand there is no other conclusion that I can draw outside of cognitive dissonanceGÇöthat EVE is not a game you play; it is a game you wait to play.
I understand. You do have to wait months before you have the skills to play the way you want to. That said, if you want to fill a limited role within a corp, you can train to do low level tasks pretty quickly. I didn't want to pay to play someone else's game for them. I have been playing for 8 months or so now and can finally feel like have a chance flying PVP in a frigate. |
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1053
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:26:00 -
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You sound like the type of gamer that plays FPS games just to unlock all the guns.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
564
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:32:00 -
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Be nice to the poor guy he just wants to "win" EVE.
I must admit to becoming very suspicious of these once a week threads which say almost the same thing "I want a battleship and give it to me now".....
Also why do redundant threads on every other topic get locked except this one ? |
Thorin Beutlin
Deep Space Fleet GONE BERZERK
0
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:32:00 -
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So this is my experience from the last 8 month i played this game. The one thing i learned and really adore about eve is that you can set your own achievements you want to reach. I remember my first roam in my Maller with t2 weapons, which took a long time to train in my opinion at that time. It was awesome! I reached my first point i wanted to reach and enjoyed it. Sure you often get a nice laugh, if you tell a veteran that you are happy about your zealot which you just reached, but it is YOUR progression, which was YOUR choice. And it is YOUR decision if you want to invest the waiting to sit in that new shiny ship. Atm i am sitting in my new pilgrim, and i LOVE it! Cloaked warping? Never done before :)
So just set yourself short, reachable goals and it will improve your quality time in the game alot. Team up with some fancy, crazy and chillep group of people, and look for your impact in that group. That is what is keeping me in the game and keep me saying that eve beats the **** out of every other MMORPG! :)
Sorry for bad grammar etc.
Summary: Set yourself small goals and enjoy an corp/alliance that fits to your plans, or has the variety to help you in your orientation!
Greets from Middle Earth ;) |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
564
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:34:00 -
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This is stealth "sell new players SP or boosters" thread, he is not after any real advice. |
Karak Kashada
Dispensation
22
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:37:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Karak Kashada wrote:
A couple months later, reality has finally settled in, and it isn't pretty. EVE is not the exciting adventure I imagined it would be in those initial hours and days of playing. Quite frankly, it is an utterly maddening experiment in "hurry up and wait." I have concludedGÇöand there is no other conclusion that I can draw outside of cognitive dissonanceGÇöthat EVE is not a game you play; it is a game you wait to play.
I understand. You do have to wait months before you have the skills to play the way you want to. That said, if you want to fill a limited role within a corp, you can train to do low level tasks pretty quickly. I didn't want to pay to play someone else's game for them. I have been playing for 8 months or so now and can finally feel like have a chance flying PVP in a frigate. Exactly. It is not a question, as has been continually pushed here by those trying to dismiss the issue, of wanting immediate gratification. It is an issue of spending one's time doing things he'd rather not, while the only thing that prevents him from doing what he'd rather do is something, quite frankly, insultingGÇöthe passage of time.
My wife, who was carrying more than her load at work as a result of other employees' laziness, approached her employer for a raise. She was told that she would receive nickel more per hour after a certain amount of time had passed, and that similar raises would be forthcoming on the same principle. She quit soon thereafter.
That is EVE. Nothing you do will get you a better ship or better skills. Just the passage of time. And how many voices have there been in this thread touting EVE as a game for "adults"? I suppose my wife was also out of place in feeling insulted by the reply she received when asking for a raise? And I further suppose that she was childish for leaving such a business, as it appears many here believe I am childish for not finding "some reason" (among all the, presumably, myriad things there are to do as a new pilot) to stay in EVE? |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1603
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:40:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:My wife, who was carrying more than her load at work as a result of other employees' laziness, approached her employer for a raise. She was told that she would receive nickel more per hour after a certain amount of time had passed, and that similar raises would be forthcoming on the same principle. She quit soon thereafter.
So she was going to get her raise then? Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Karak Kashada
Dispensation
22
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:40:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Be nice to the poor guy he just wants to "win" EVE.
I must admit to becoming very suspicious of these once a week threads which say almost the same thing "I want a battleship and give it to me now".....
Also why do redundant threads on every other topic get locked except this one ? Because this thread is not about "I want a battleship and give it to me now." The number of posters who cannot seem to glean the point of the OP is astounding. If it weren't for the equal number of posters who DO get it, and who have been mature enough to admit the legitimacy of the point I rate, I'd probably have had to conclude that I just can't communicate. Again, were it not for those others... |
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Karak Kashada
Dispensation
22
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:41:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Karak Kashada wrote:My wife, who was carrying more than her load at work as a result of other employees' laziness, approached her employer for a raise. She was told that she would receive nickel more per hour after a certain amount of time had passed, and that similar raises would be forthcoming on the same principle. She quit soon thereafter.
So she was going to get her raise then? Yep. A nickel. After 5 months or something. And so were all the deadbeats she was carrying... after their five months. CCP must have modeled their pilot advancement system after this business's compensation-increase model. |
CETA Elitist
The Prometheus Society
21
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:49:00 -
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I obviously don't get your point OP, because I've been playing for skills and still manage to enjoy the game. Please explain to me how to stop having fun, thanks. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2152
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:50:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Be nice to the poor guy he just wants to "win" EVE.
I must admit to becoming very suspicious of these once a week threads which say almost the same thing "I want a battleship and give it to me now".....
Also why do redundant threads on every other topic get locked except this one ? Because this thread is not about "I want a battleship and give it to me now." The number of posters who cannot seem to glean the point of the OP is astounding. If it weren't for the equal number of posters who DO get it, and who have been mature enough to admit the legitimacy of the point I raise, I'd probably have had to conclude that I just can't communicate. Again, were it not for those others...
Not every game is for everyone. Many (including myself) find the skilltraining method employed in EVE to be quite refreshing vs traditional MMO advancement. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20582
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:51:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:Exactly. It is not a question, as has been continually pushed here by those trying to dismiss the issue, of wanting immediate gratification. It is an issue of spending one's time doing things he'd rather not, while the only thing that prevents him from doing what he'd rather do is something, quite frankly, insultingGÇöthe passage of time. No, it's an issue of thinking that the thing you'd rather do is any different from the things you can do while waiting until you get past the limitations you've set up for yourself. Put another way, the issue is that you think you have to wait.
And no, waiting for time to pass is not insulting. Don't be silly.
Quote:That is EVE. Nothing you do will get you a better ship or better skills. Just the passage of time. Not entirely, true, but more to the point, so what? What do you imagine the better ships and skills will do for you that you can't do already? What's the problem with not having to grind to unlock stuff? What's the problem with being completely free to play the actual game rather than having to focus your attention on character progression? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4586
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:51:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Karak Kashada wrote:My wife, who was carrying more than her load at work as a result of other employees' laziness, approached her employer for a raise. She was told that she would receive nickel more per hour after a certain amount of time had passed, and that similar raises would be forthcoming on the same principle. She quit soon thereafter.
So she was going to get her raise then? Yep. A nickel. After 5 months or something. And so were all the deadbeats she was carrying... after their five months. CCP must have modeled their pilot advancement system after this business's compensation-increase model.
Then why still play? I'm serious.
If you find it that objectionable to have to deal with not having instant gratification, then contract me your stuff and quit. If you hate the game that much, then you're a toxic player who will just drive away subs anyway. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1350
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Posted - 2014.04.10 22:53:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote: Nothing you do will get you a better ship or better skills. Just the passage of time. This isn't true.
Lets say, hypothetically, it is your goal to pilot a titan, for whatever reason. This is generally the highest single SP/isk goal for most pilots so it works as a good example. Now there are a few particulars you should know about titan piloting: (1) The ship is a flying coffin that is mainly used as a bus with the secondary role of anti-capital alpha and (2) because it is a flying coffin, almost everyone puts the titan pilot on an alt, not a main.
Since you will be using another character to fly the titan anyway, you can take a look in the character bazaar. Depending on your requirements, a half-decent titan pilot can be anywhere from 10 to 40 bil isk. The titan itself will probably be around 100 bil +/- 50b depending on who you know (or don't know).
Now this may seem a bit expensive, but noobies have made over a billion isk in their first month through various means (trading, scamming, exploration). It IS possible. While extraordinary, it is not outside the realm of possibility for a 2 month old character to be able to afford and own a low-end Titan alt character without using any real $ for plex.
And then it's simply a question of acquiring the isk or connections to get the actual ship, something for which no hard limit is set by CCP. So you see, passage of time is not a limitation in eve. Only your own perceived limitations will limit you in New Eden. |
Karak Kashada
Dispensation
22
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Posted - 2014.04.10 23:05:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:I get where the OP is coming from, I understand his broader point of view. and he's not wrong, not on the larger scale of eve things. I can deal with the 'patience required' aspect to eve though, whereas it seem the OP may not be able to. Thank you for your forthrightness. I can deal with the "patience required" as well. I simply do not want to. I find it insulting that a game is designed to place such little value on players' in-game time as EVE does, with respect to acquiring the mere ability to equip the best ships and mods.
Kitty Bear wrote:tbh I didn't read through the entire list of replies, I'm sure the usual fallacies of you can do everything from day 1 have been reposted ad-nauseum already. LOL, they have been!
Kitty Bear wrote:Its a fallacy because you can't, you can only do some of the things and some of the things is not all of the things Exactly. Without waiting... and waiting... and waiting some more.
Kitty Bear wrote:the things you can't do are essentially eve's endgame content If you call "holding your own in a PvP engagement in low-sec with a pilot flying the same ship as you," endgame, then I agree. Otherwise, we have a problem. For such an engagement is, in my opinion, core to the game. The reality is that, of two pilots flying the same ship in such an engagement, the one who has 6 months of mod and weapons skills trained will wipe the pilot with a week's worth of the same skills trained, in spite of the fact that the latter can "jump into the ship in just a few minutes (or even hours) from beginning to play). And this because the former doesn't sport guns that boast 11 dps on his little ship. He has the best weapons and mods that his little ship can buy. And the only difference between the two pilots? Time.
Kitty Bear wrote:YES eve has endgame content, and your a deluded fool if you think otherwise unlike other mmo's you cannot rush through levels to access that content because eve has no levels, just SP based restrictions and SP takes real world time to accumulate, rather than in game time
Exactly. And that is why I am left feeling that my in-game time is not valued by CCP. For their game is structured to reward the best ships and mods on the basis of... nothing. Well, other than your real-world money. For you can buy the game and not play it for a year, spend a little cash on PLEX to convert to ISK, and... viola!... you got "the best" ship out there for no in-game investment. And no amount of in-game effort will affect that timetable. Wow. Can it get any clearer? |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1603
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Posted - 2014.04.10 23:07:00 -
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Karak Kashada wrote: Exactly. And that is why I am left feeling that my in-game time is not valued by CCP. For their game is structured to reward the best ships and mods on the basis of... nothing. Well, other than your real-world money. For you can buy the game and not play it for a year, spend a little cash on PLEX to convert to ISK, and... viola!... you got "the best" ship out there for no in-game investment. And no amount of in-game effort will affect that timetable. Wow. Can it get any clearer?
And you will get owned in your pimped out ship and get made fun of on EVENews24 and The Mittani. But then you might learn SP is not equal to skill.
You keep saying that you aren't wanting everything right now, but all your posts scream "I Want It Now!" Things are only impossible until they are not. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds Affirmative.
3987
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Posted - 2014.04.10 23:11:00 -
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Posting in a themepark player whining that you cant grind to level cap post Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Karak Kashada
Dispensation
22
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Posted - 2014.04.10 23:12:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Karak Kashada wrote: Nothing you do will get you a better ship or better skills. Just the passage of time. This isn't true. Lets say, hypothetically, it is your goal to pilot a titan, for whatever reason. This is generally the highest single SP/isk goal for most pilots so it works as a good example. Now there are a few particulars you should know about titan piloting: (1) The ship is a flying coffin that is mainly used as a bus with the secondary role of anti-capital alpha and (2) because it is a flying coffin, almost everyone puts the titan pilot on an alt, not a main. Since you will be using another character to fly the titan anyway, you can take a look in the character bazaar. Depending on your requirements, a half-decent titan pilot can be anywhere from 10 bil to 40 bil isk. The titan itself will probably be around 100 bil +/- 50b depending on who you know (or don't know). Now this may seem a bit expensive, but noobies have made over a billion isk in their first month through various means (trading, scamming, exploration). It IS possible. While extraordinary, it is not outside the realm of possibility for a 2 month old character to be able to afford and own a low-end Titan alt character without using any real $ for plex. And then it's simply a question of acquiring the isk or connections to get the actual ship, something for which no hard limit is set by CCP. So you see, passage of time is not a limitation in eve. Only your own perceived limitations will limit you in New Eden. My comment should be viewed in the context of how CCP has built the pilot-advancement mechanism, not in how players have been able to side-step it. |
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