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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:44:00 -
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One of my associates just incurred the 'limited engagement' status after tidying jet can contents into her hauler. The 'limited engagement' symbol appears in the top left of the screen and is a very pretty shade of blue.
I have a question regarding this and a pilots right to return fire upon being attacked under these conditions.
The 'limited engagement' timer doesn't seem to be very long. I think two or three minutes at most. If the 'limited engagement' pilot attacks me with drones can I attack the drones and the drone owners ship without incurring the wrath of CONCORD? If they carried on attacking me after the 'limited engagement' timer had expired can I still attack them freely without CONCORD interference? Does the 'limited engagement' timer renew for each attacker if they continue to attack me? |
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
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Posted - 2014.04.11 08:59:00 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:The 'limited engagement' timer doesn't seem to be very long. I think two or three minutes at most. If the 'limited engagement' pilot attacks me with drones can I attack the drones and the drone owners ship without incurring the wrath of CONCORD? Yes. Limited engagement flag means that you can shoot each other as much as you want (assuming the other guy flagged in as well, generally you want to look at THEIR status rather than yours before pulling the trigger).
Quote:If they carried on attacking me after the 'limited engagement' timer had expired can I still attack them freely without CONCORD interference? After the engagement expires, you can no longer shoot at each other or otherwise engage in much in the way of dickery. However, shooting at each other renews the engagement timer, it won't expire unless you avoid each other until it's done ticking down.
Quote:Does the 'limited engagement' timer renew for each attacker if they continue to attack me? So long as either of you is shooting at the other the timer will keep refreshing with each shot or pulse of ECM, point, etc; you cannot just repair and wait until you're immune again while they bombard you-- you will never become immune unless both of you cease combat.
(Edit: the short version of the above is that "limited" refers to the number of participants, not the duration of the engagement. If you actually fight the duration's basically infinite or until you stop, whichever's sooner. The "unlimited engagement" is the criminal flag, where ANYONE can shoot you rather than just the one dude you've offended.) |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
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Posted - 2014.04.11 09:37:00 -
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Cheers. I believe I can put this to good use. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
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Posted - 2014.04.11 09:40:00 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:Quote:If they carried on attacking me after the 'limited engagement' timer had expired can I still attack them freely without CONCORD interference? After the engagement expires, you can no longer shoot at each other or otherwise engage in much in the way of dickery. However, shooting at each other renews the engagement timer, it won't expire unless you avoid each other until it's done ticking down.
Well, there's nothing stopping you (or them) from shooting without the LE timer. In hisec, the first party to open fire will get CONCORDOKKEN though.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Cannibal Kane
Somali Coast Guard Authority
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Posted - 2014.04.11 11:46:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Lost Greybeard wrote:Quote:If they carried on attacking me after the 'limited engagement' timer had expired can I still attack them freely without CONCORD interference? After the engagement expires, you can no longer shoot at each other or otherwise engage in much in the way of dickery. However, shooting at each other renews the engagement timer, it won't expire unless you avoid each other until it's done ticking down. Well, there's nothing stopping you (or them) from shooting without the LE timer. In hisec, the first party to open fire will get CONCORDOKKEN though.
Context please before making statement that are incorrect or at least sounds incorrect. With a LE timer you do not get Concorded if you shoot first.
You only get concorded if you engage somebody with your safeties turned to red shooting at somebody you have no right shooting at. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. He flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. His hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. It was truly majestic. And while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off. Because I am like that." - NEONOVUS |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3025
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Posted - 2014.04.11 11:52:00 -
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A Limited Engagement flag for doing something to jetcans?
You sure it wasn't a suspect flag? Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4236322 http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1095
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Posted - 2014.04.11 12:22:00 -
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You can't get a limited engagement from looting a can. Not sure what the context is, but that doesn't happen.
In highsec, if you loot a can illegally, you get a suspect flag, which means anyone can shoot you. You can't shoot first, but you can defend yourself when attacked. www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
2142
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Posted - 2014.04.11 14:16:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Velicitia wrote:Lost Greybeard wrote:Quote:If they carried on attacking me after the 'limited engagement' timer had expired can I still attack them freely without CONCORD interference? After the engagement expires, you can no longer shoot at each other or otherwise engage in much in the way of dickery. However, shooting at each other renews the engagement timer, it won't expire unless you avoid each other until it's done ticking down. Well, there's nothing stopping you (or them) from shooting without the LE timer. In hisec, the first party to open fire will get CONCORDOKKEN though. Context please before making statement that are incorrect or at least sounds incorrect. With a LE timer you do not get Concorded if you shoot first. You only get concorded if you engage somebody with your safeties turned to red shooting at somebody you have no right shooting at.
Bolding the important part in my comment...
...although, yeah, I did forget about the "safety" button. I've had it on "red" since the day CCP introduced it. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3420
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Posted - 2014.04.11 14:23:00 -
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Devblog - Introducing the new and improved Crimewatch
It really boils down to the two images of Flags and Consequences
Unofficial Flowchart: Flowchart: Consequences of PvP in EVE Online |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
112
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:02:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:A Limited Engagement flag for doing something to jetcans?
You sure it wasn't a suspect flag?
Erm. My associate took ore from someone else's jetcan and put it into her ore hold. The owner of the jetcan set her drones to attack my associate. My associate then got the pretty blue symbol for three pilots attacking her ship with drones. |
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:03:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:You can't get a limited engagement from looting a can. Not sure what the context is, but that doesn't happen.
In highsec, if you loot a can illegally, you get a suspect flag, which means anyone can shoot you. You can't shoot first, but you can defend yourself when attacked.
Apparently you can if they shoot you afterwards. |
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
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Posted - 2014.04.14 04:54:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:...although, yeah, I did forget about the "safety" button. I've had it on "red" since the day CCP introduced it.
Personally, I'm a big fan of the orange setting in high/low sec. It seems to strike a pretty good balance between preventing you from doing stupid things unintentionally and not bothering you with a billion confirmation boxes when you do something stupid intentionally. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.04.14 05:08:00 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:Velicitia wrote:...although, yeah, I did forget about the "safety" button. I've had it on "red" since the day CCP introduced it. Personally, I'm a big fan of the orange setting in high/low sec. It seems to strike a pretty good balance between preventing you from doing stupid things unintentionally and not bothering you with a billion confirmation boxes when you do something stupid intentionally.
This.
The only three times you should set it to red are when in warp to a suicide gank target (in highsec), or while acquiring a target lock on a pod (in lowsec), or when you have a smartbomb fitted and have made a very conscious decision to use it.
Even if you live in lowsec, you do not want to surrender gate/station gun protection by going under -5 lightly. Every unlawful podkill (the only thing yellow safety prevents in low) should be thought out, not impulsive.
I did laugh when someone dropped me to 97% shields as I flew my Ishtar around highsec just after the safety settings changes. CONCORD made such short work of their Navy Megathron that I didn't even get on the killmail. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Lucas Padecain
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
11
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Posted - 2014.04.14 14:24:00 -
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As a note: take the time to learn what flags you as suspect or criminal, and how limited engagement timers work. I've always found that learning things from the "bad guy's" side helps you understand the ins and outs much better (easy for me, since I'm a career "bad guy") :)
As far as the safety button goes: I hate that darn thing. I tried setting it yellow but lost out on good pod kills because of it. It's set to red for me 24/7! |
Forum Clone 77777
Do You Even Irony Broew
246
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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:47:00 -
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Limited engagement means you and whoever you have that flag with can engage eachother, this includes drones and the ship. The timer resets whenever an aggressive module is used, this means if youre using something like a neut, that has a long cycle time, it will keep refreshing the timer until the entire cycle is done. This means it cant run out while youre fighting. As long as youre attacking someone you have a limited engagement with concord will ignore you. |
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