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Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1202
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:18:00 -
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Rikanin wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl? Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question. THats a biased opinion. obviosuly I would stop playing, as Ive invested years to get where I am and what I have, to be told to start all over with nothing would make my past choices meaningless, taking away any sentiment I had for the game. This is what I dont like about people who argue against vets about how hypocritical they are for not wanting to start as a new player if new players are so "fine". Its literally like saying little league isnt a good sport because professional baseball players dont want to quit their 6 figure jobs (which is ridiculous pay) to go play little league again, when in truth they DID play little league, succeeded, and went on with further practice to eventually join pro-leagues, that doesnt mean little leagues are bad, just that they had already been through that, earned their stripes, and would not wish to go through it again, but they will acknowledge if they hadnt they wouldnt have gotten to where they are today. Right - if a vet did it on purpose of course they wouldn't rage quit and like someone else said...it'd go a whole lot faster this time around. If it wasn't by choice that's a hard pill to swallow to lose all that time and effort but it doesn't negate the fact that noobs have it easier than we did when we started. Is 'bitter noob' a thing these days? Anyway...as for how I'd do it if I had to start over... I'd focus on one race and weapon type and skill up accordingly. When I started I had nobody to show me anything so I was all over the place. I can fly quite a lot these days because of it but only one race really well and even so...not as well as I could if my training had been more focused. well, intentionally, i suppose that would go quicker, took my FW alt all of a week from creation to start racking up kills in gallente FW, and that was only because i was being anal about havign at LEAST lvl 4 in relevant skills. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4717
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:55:00 -
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If we really want to see things get stirred up a bit, and see a way for CCP to take some money for the quick gratification crowd while teaching them a lesson, I would introduce a "Live Fast Die Young" option.
On character creation we would see the option to create genetically modified players who can earn SP at a much faster rate, but are capped depending on that rate, so that if say you are at 100 percent increased SP acquisition rate, you get capped at say 10 million SP. A slower rate has a higher cap but no enhanced player goes past 20 million.
And, because of the complexity of these hyper-accelerated brains, they cannot be cloned.
You die you fry. End of story go back to school.
And yes I would also make it so that there would be a way to identify these players - maybe have a huge knob on their head or something, or a big conehead maybe. So that everybody knows you are not coming back if they kill you.
I would also make it possible to create boosters from those large brains too, so the frozen corpse is worth a significant amount of ISK, and those boosters will temporarily enable a player to accelerate their own SP speed. (and there would be a limitation of how many you can create at a given time - the min maxers will game the hell out if that)
So the quick gratification type who will "want it nao" will be hunted and podded and their brains used to make stuff and they go back to the character creator all mad they didn't get cloned because they wanted everything up front but on the prospect of getting killed, they also exhibited that OTHER cancer of human thought process: "It can't happen to ME".
And no this would not be a boon for disposable suicide gank alts (since the present system and rules have not stopped suicide ganking so stop with the screeching you know who you are). Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2014.04.11 23:15:00 -
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WHAT?
If I start over I can get a free 5000 ISK?
Wheres that damned BioMass button... |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
222
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Posted - 2014.04.11 23:21:00 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:WHAT?
If I start over I can get a free 5000 ISK?
Wheres that damned BioMass button... The possibilities!
If you grind through 1000 chars you'd have one thousand times 5k ISK...
... PLUS ONE THOUSAND TRITANIUM! |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1616
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Posted - 2014.04.11 23:26:00 -
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I'd waste no time on any mining or industry stuff and jump straight into PVP. I'd use my retained veteran knowledge to my advantage. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
435
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:01:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question. It wouldn't affect me much at all, but I think you're missing the point of eve. Your actions are permanent until someone screws it up. The loss wouldn't be the sp, the loss would be sovereignty, the loss would be starbases, the loss would be systems fought over and won. If you take every player and throw them back into high sec with no resources, I can't imagine them being happy. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
398
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:04:00 -
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I have often considered trying it out to see what happens. But I think the fact I know more about how the game works (and doesn't) than half the employees at CCP, I may be limited only by my SP... temporarily.
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masternerdguy
State Protectorate Caldari State
1618
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:06:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question. It wouldn't affect me much at all, but I think you're missing the point of eve. Your actions are permanent until someone screws it up. The loss wouldn't be the sp, the loss would be sovereignty, the loss would be starbases, the loss would be systems fought over and won. If you take every player and throw them back into high sec with no resources, I can't imagine them being happy.
Nah, I bet we'd be back to the status quo before you know it. If everyone's skills get reset to starting, then the groups with organization and retained game knowledge from before the reset are going to just reconquer their territory. Which would be funny, I can imagine the forum whines from all the elite solo PVPers and small corps who "could make it in null if it weren't for goons" still not being able to win Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Gostina Mishina
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:35:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl? Stealth Ero1 thread.
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sci0gon
Kaira Innovations Superior Eve Engineering
20
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:06:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl? lynx if you're looking to biomass i'll have no problems taking your t2 bpos before you do :P
are there any age limitations to that biomass proposal? like 1-2yr old players in the game are safe
as for my older characters yea I would, I most definitely wouldn't have wasted skill points in area's that I have already in the past. also for this character in particular I'd split up her industry side considering shes skilled in all area's of industry so when it comes to chosing implants im screwed since using Zainou 'Beancounter' Refining RX-804 with the Zainou 'Beancounter' Industry BX-804 is impossible as they both take the same slot :P
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
893
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:27:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question.
I've recently played an alt without selling stuff on market, or buying other than skillbooks and BPOs (ie hard mode startup). All I can say to you is suck it up princess.
I also went through this procedure with a rust server that decided to reset the server monthly. each reset decimated the playerbase and its now nearly dead.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
554
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Posted - 2014.04.12 03:02:00 -
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The only way I'm bio-massing my character is if I'm quitting the game. even then I would be tempted to sell it and give away the isk. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1816
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Posted - 2014.04.12 03:25:00 -
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I wouldnt start over again, because of all the work I put into this character, but if I did I probably wouldnt train the refining skills Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5214
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Posted - 2014.04.12 03:40:00 -
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I wouldn't change a thing.
I would rebirth myself exactly as I am now, because I am perfect.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Berendas
The Learning Curve. The Marmite Collective
871
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Posted - 2014.04.12 03:40:00 -
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I'd start Gallente and get working on the skills to fly a Vexor adequately. |
Webvan
State Protectorate Caldari State
785
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Posted - 2014.04.12 04:59:00 -
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What are "toons" Gandalf? Too Tu..Tu Toooooons... oooo Brain: What is Troz? Pinky: Why it's "Zort" in the mirror!Troz!
Brain: Come, Pinky-o. We must catch the space shuttle back to our home planet of Acme and prepare for the next millennium. Pinky: Gee, Brain-2, what are we gonna do in the next millennium? Brain: The same thing we do every millennium, Pinky-o. Try to take over the galaxy! Chorus: 3-Pinky, 3-Pinky and the Fridge, Fridge, Fridge, Fridge, Fridge! Brain: I am not a refrigerator. Chorus: Dot, dot, dot, dot!
Answers your question? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5185
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Posted - 2014.04.12 05:12:00 -
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What would I do if I had to start over?
I would throw myself back into PvP... focusing mostly at the frigate to cruiser level. And I would never train any capital ship skills. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Leviathani Darkri
Asuratech Industrial Corp AAA Citizens
3
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Posted - 2014.04.12 05:26:00 -
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I would play more war thunder. |
Leviathani Darkri
Asuratech Industrial Corp AAA Citizens
3
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Posted - 2014.04.12 05:45:00 -
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In my RL I would be less addicted to eve. EVE has cost me actual RL relationships....sad yes, uncommon I think not. That I would change. There are several IRL people I would like to have back.
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Lazrim
Hedion University Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2014.04.12 06:07:00 -
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I would quit and write a whiney goodbye post claiming that bitter noobs can never catch up with vets because I started 8 minutes and 20 seconds after some one else did. And because I was tying my shoe instead of playing EVE I will never be able to 'catch up' and be as good at the game as those guys that are 8 minutes and 20 seconds ahead of me. |
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
326
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Posted - 2014.04.12 06:45:00 -
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What would I do different?
Jump in my rookie ship and attack everyone I see. Use plex to fund character instead of wasting my time with pve.
Rookies don't realize the advantages they have with super cheap clones. The joy of attacking everyone with almost no penalty is very liberating.
I can still fly cheap frigates and attack everything, but the clone prices put me in a position where I'd rather play an alt. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
326
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Posted - 2014.04.12 06:54:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl? Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question. THats a biased opinion. obviosuly I would stop playing, as Ive invested years to get where I am and what I have, to be told to start all over with nothing would make my past choices meaningless, taking away any sentiment I had for the game. This is what I dont like about people who argue against vets about how hypocritical they are for not wanting to start as a new player if new players are so "fine". Its literally like saying little league isnt a good sport because professional baseball players dont want to quit their 6 figure jobs (which is ridiculous pay) to go play little league again, when in truth they DID play little league, succeeded, and went on with further practice to eventually join pro-leagues, that doesnt mean little leagues are bad, just that they had already been through that, earned their stripes, and would not wish to go through it again, but they will acknowledge if they hadnt they wouldnt have gotten to where they are today.
What about the relationships you've forged with other players and the community in general?. If they biomass everyone's character, does that make everything else meaningless?
I agree that Divine was a bit biased. There would be some annoyance, which might lead many to quit. But I don't think it would render all that time and fun I've had meaningless myself.
Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
17038
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Posted - 2014.04.12 07:03:00 -
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Well seeing as I have no RL time at present to play, then nothing would change in that regard.
But I would play again and I would follow the same course of training. But with the knowledge I have and the changes made to the game since I started, things would be easier.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
567
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Posted - 2014.04.12 07:28:00 -
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Serious answer ?
Focus.
- Sub for 6 months so I am not forever worrying about PLEX as a new character. - put zilch skills into mining/industry or ships larger than a destroyer and focus on getting a single race of frigates up to scratch - then run FW in an assault frigate.
Meanwhile I would probably also pay cash for one PLEX to give one of the free alts basic indy/PI training to get a bit of a ISK flow happening that did not depend on grinding missions and mining.
Thats about it really. |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
32
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Posted - 2014.04.12 08:34:00 -
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Posting in a stealth reset eve thread.
Saying that though, absolutely nothing as I do the same thing with my alt accounts. Just randomly choose skills when I need them :P |
Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
101
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Posted - 2014.04.12 08:38:00 -
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I'd either A: not play or B: Spend 3-5b on a new character in the Bazaar (paid for with plex purchased for real money.) Master trole 2014. |
Serene Repose
1247
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:39:00 -
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Heh heh heh. I wouldn't make the same mistakes! I'd make a whole 'nuther set of mistakes!! What'd you think? I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
343
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:28:00 -
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I started over last year. In fact, 1 year and 8 days ago now.
let me think, things I did different from my old character when I originally made that one. I focused very strongly on 1 race and 1 weapon system. On my original character I kind of trained a bunch of different things all at the same time. It was fun but the character initially wasn't really that great at anything. This time around I started with a clear goal. I got implants on the first day of playing and I spend A LOT more time on doing core skills. I'm only just about finished with those really, after 20m SP. :P
When I first played there was no such thing as remaps and you had to spend 3 months training learning and advanced learning first. This time I could skip that AND use the cerebral accelerator. Starting now is much faster and easier than it used to be. Doing the tutorial missions and then the SoE arc puts on on roughly 100mill isk. More than enough for 10-15 fitted Condors and start PvP. I should spend a bit more time on getting standings up with the empire factions I suppose, but meeh. Not that bothered about that. |
Budrick3
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
33
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:40:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question.
Why would you feel loyal to the game after spending a considerable amount of money, time and effort.
I would quit the game in a fart beat. |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1073
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Posted - 2014.04.12 14:00:00 -
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Not sure to be honest, but I think I would likely keep playing.
Hard to say if I would do anything different either though, since the game has changed drastically since I started. It's actually much easier for new players now days than it once was.
There used to be no accelerated training in the earliest stages of the characters training.
15km was the closest you could warp to a gate or station (or anything) via autopilot or manual. Not going to mention the bookmark craze... I made a lot of money selling bookmarks on escrow back then. ;)
Aggression mechanics have been changed to make it easier on new players.
You don't have to worry about Learning Skills since they removed them from the game. (Thank god)
MANY skills were changed that made the pre requisite in the skill before it from 5 to 4 in order to make them more accessible to new players.
Tutorials are much better now than they once were. As opposed to just dropping you in front of an asteroid and saying "NOW MINE *****!" as you spend the next 30 minutes shooting your civilian hybrid rail gun at it.
SOV mechanics were even worse then than they are now. ;)
I think the game has gone in a good direction for player retention and namely new players, but I'm personally not so sure I would actually enjoy the earlier days as I once did. Hell even warp to 0 instantly made EVE seem much smaller than it once was. And one of the things that kept me around back then was the scale, scope, and complexity. |
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