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Egor Eads
Big Plays Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.04.12 06:45:00 -
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Is it doable to make good money in a small corp living in a lower class wormhole? Any advice, or tips on how you do it? I really love wormholes and want to get me and my small group of buddies in one, but I dont want to over commit ourselves to something it turns out we need more manpower for. How hard is it to keep a POS online? |
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
281
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Posted - 2014.04.12 06:50:00 -
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Egor Eads wrote:Is it doable to make good money in a small corp living in a lower class wormhole? Any advice, or tips on how you do it? I really love wormholes and want to get me and my small group of buddies in one, but I dont want to over commit ourselves to something it turns out we need more manpower for. How hard is it to keep a POS online?
Can you bring a hauler full of fuel to your tower once a month? |
Egor Eads
Big Plays Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.04.12 06:54:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:Egor Eads wrote:Is it doable to make good money in a small corp living in a lower class wormhole? Any advice, or tips on how you do it? I really love wormholes and want to get me and my small group of buddies in one, but I dont want to over commit ourselves to something it turns out we need more manpower for. How hard is it to keep a POS online? Can you bring a hauler full of fuel to your tower once a month?
Yes sir, but I'm under the impression there will be other threats, like other corps. Is it invulnerable as long as its fueled?
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1831
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Posted - 2014.04.12 06:57:00 -
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Egor Eads wrote:
Yes sir, but I'm under the impression there will be other threats, like other corps. Is it invulnerable as long as its fueled?
If you do not know the answer to this question, more research with the Google is probably a good idea. The Talocan site would be invaluable, but seems to have gone offline. There may be another repository of wh knowledge somewhere. I miss the Talocan site :( "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
***** Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM ***** |
Osiris Ettnie
THE AESIR. Ragnarok.
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Posted - 2014.04.12 06:57:00 -
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Egor Eads wrote:Angsty Teenager wrote:Egor Eads wrote:Is it doable to make good money in a small corp living in a lower class wormhole? Any advice, or tips on how you do it? I really love wormholes and want to get me and my small group of buddies in one, but I dont want to over commit ourselves to something it turns out we need more manpower for. How hard is it to keep a POS online? Can you bring a hauler full of fuel to your tower once a month? Yes sir, but I'm under the impression there will be other threats, like other corps. Is it invulnerable as long as its fueled?
no but in lower class wormholes you wont have to worry to much as of eviction as long as you mind your own and dont smack talk some big players in WHs. Make sure you do your research on your wh before you move in so you dont move into a place someone wants. |
Egor Eads
Big Plays Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.04.12 07:38:00 -
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Where is the majority of the money made from a class 2 from? Running anoms/moon mining/relic and data sites/etc |
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
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Posted - 2014.04.12 08:00:00 -
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If you put down a large pos with hardeners + ECM in a low class wormhole (read C4 and below) it's probably not going to get blown up because it will take literally forever. |
Egor Eads
Big Plays Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.04.12 08:15:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:If you put down a large pos with hardeners + ECM in a low class wormhole (read C4 and below) it's probably not going to get blown up because it will take literally forever.
That sounds good. Thanks for the input. |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2014.04.12 08:40:00 -
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Egor Eads wrote:Where is the majority of the money made from a class 2 from? From running combat anoms in your static. The anoms in your home system will be farmed pretty quickly, but if you roll your static (meaning collapsing it and scanning the new one) you will find more anoms to run there. |
Egor Eads
Big Plays Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:07:00 -
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Alright guys, one last big question before I make my decision on where to go.
As a small corp that wants... -Safety and being mostly undisturbed in the home system, preferable without fighting tons of huge ships. -A static wormhole with content we can do solo or in a small team (C2 or C3 I'm guessing?) -Decent revenue in general, at least enough to beat nullsec exploration and highsec level 4 running
Am I right in thinking a C2 with a static to another C2 is the right place for us? |
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
561
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:30:00 -
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Egor Eads wrote:Alright guys, one last big question before I make my decision on where to go.
As a small corp that wants... -Safety and being mostly undisturbed in the home system, preferable without fighting tons of huge ships. -A static wormhole with content we can do solo or in a small team (C2 or C3 I'm guessing?) -Decent revenue in general, at least enough to beat nullsec exploration and highsec level 4 running
Am I right in thinking a C2 with a static to another C2 is the right place for us?
C2s only come with c2+lowsec static. Sadly, c2 anomalies pay the worst out of all lowclass by a huge margin. If anyhow possible, your focus should be directed towards c1 OR c4, since they pay the best given proper equipment. Since c4 is really best done with two BS worth of dps, c1-c3 can be solo'ed. Depending on the price for MNRs (melted nanoribbons), c1-income can easily overtake even c3s. Just need medium pulse lasers + scorch.
If you're into grinding loads of cash, my suggestion would be a c2 with c1+hs - static, throw up a small tower and stront it. Once they reinforce that tower, you throw up the next one etc. If you're using GSCs to store your goods, reinforcing the POS won't even cut access to our stuff. If in a 3man corp, high chance you won't be able to defend your tower (go straight over to yieldtanking). "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Egor Eads
Big Plays Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:58:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Egor Eads wrote:Alright guys, one last big question before I make my decision on where to go.
As a small corp that wants... -Safety and being mostly undisturbed in the home system, preferable without fighting tons of huge ships. -A static wormhole with content we can do solo or in a small team (C2 or C3 I'm guessing?) -Decent revenue in general, at least enough to beat nullsec exploration and highsec level 4 running
Am I right in thinking a C2 with a static to another C2 is the right place for us? C2s only come with c2+lowsec static. Sadly, c2 anomalies pay the worst out of all lowclass by a huge margin. If anyhow possible, your focus should be directed towards c1 OR c4, since they pay the best given proper equipment. Since c4 is really best done with two BS worth of dps, c1-c3 can be solo'ed. Depending on the price for MNRs (melted nanoribbons), c1-income can easily overtake even c3s. Just need medium pulse lasers + scorch. If you're into grinding loads of cash, my suggestion would be a c2 with c1+hs - static, throw up a small tower and stront it. Once they reinforce that tower, you throw up the next one etc. If you're using GSCs to store your goods, reinforcing the POS won't even cut access to our stuff. If in a 3man corp, high chance you won't be able to defend your tower (go straight over to yieldtanking).
About the lasers- is that a requirement? Because were all training missiles/Caldari |
RudinV
Syndicate of Death BLOOD UNION
61
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:33:00 -
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best option to try as small group of buddies- join a corp. This way u can see how it works, get basics about wh life, find proper set up to do what u wanna do and all of that with much less risks if u try it on your own. Ive seen tons of fail corps and silly CEOs who thought solo part was the best for them, and u will see the examples of this corps too, just scan a POS without a forcefield-these are monuments for every 'small corp wanna try' |
Egor Eads
Big Plays Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:38:00 -
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RudinV wrote:best option to try as small group of buddies- join a corp. This way u can see how it works, get basics about wh life, find proper set up to do what u wanna do and all of that with much less risks if u try it on your own. Ive seen tons of fail corps and silly CEOs who thought solo part was the best for them, and u will see the examples of this corps too, just scan a POS without a forcefield-these are monuments for every 'small corp wanna try'
Probably good advice, but my team isn't willing to join a corp I'm not running |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
6076
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Posted - 2014.04.12 11:26:00 -
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I'll echo RudinV 's sentiments, having experienced people is invaluable, and can be the difference between losing your system, and keeping it. Do you understand polarization mechanics? Do you know how mass calculations are done? Could you roll a hole in an emergency? Can you make enough ISK to keep the towers running?
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
561
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Posted - 2014.04.12 12:24:00 -
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Egor Eads wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Egor Eads wrote:Alright guys, one last big question before I make my decision on where to go.
As a small corp that wants... -Safety and being mostly undisturbed in the home system, preferable without fighting tons of huge ships. -A static wormhole with content we can do solo or in a small team (C2 or C3 I'm guessing?) -Decent revenue in general, at least enough to beat nullsec exploration and highsec level 4 running
Am I right in thinking a C2 with a static to another C2 is the right place for us? C2s only come with c2+lowsec static. Sadly, c2 anomalies pay the worst out of all lowclass by a huge margin. If anyhow possible, your focus should be directed towards c1 OR c4, since they pay the best given proper equipment. Since c4 is really best done with two BS worth of dps, c1-c3 can be solo'ed. Depending on the price for MNRs (melted nanoribbons), c1-income can easily overtake even c3s. Just need medium pulse lasers + scorch. If you're into grinding loads of cash, my suggestion would be a c2 with c1+hs - static, throw up a small tower and stront it. Once they reinforce that tower, you throw up the next one etc. If you're using GSCs to store your goods, reinforcing the POS won't even cut access to our stuff. If in a 3man corp, high chance you won't be able to defend your tower (go straight over to yieldtanking). About the lasers- is that a requirement? Because were all training missiles/Caldari
C1s are just best run with lasers due to the tracking/dps/range-combo needed to take down swarms of frigates, and in it's usefulness is mostly limited to c1 sites exclusively. Missiles are acceptable for c3/c4-work (cruiseravens/golems), but you'll go nuts over missiles in a c1 ;) That's regarding solo.
The more people you have, the more you want to use ABCs (Naga, Oracle) for sites. But for a small group, missiles are reliable and you get used to it. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1842
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Posted - 2014.04.12 14:21:00 -
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I live in a C2 and can confirm the only good the sites are as bait. Living in a C2 with a good paying static and farming the static is the way to go. C1s are a pain to roll though. You'll want a pilot why can fly a hic to do it. "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
***** Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM ***** |
Egor Eads
Big Plays Incorporated
1
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Posted - 2014.04.12 14:29:00 -
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I'm gonna day trip some C1s today and see how the pay is on those anoms. If its good I'll move my corp into a C2 with C1 static as suggested. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1843
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Posted - 2014.04.12 14:53:00 -
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Egor Eads wrote:I'm gonna day trip some C1s today and see how the pay is on those anoms. If its good I'll move my corp into a C2 with C1 static as suggested.
Edit- Oh yeah, seeing as I'm a pretty low skilled character and I want to just check out some sites and get some kills going, would a Caracal complete the sites without dying? Since they're frigs I was thinking a RLML Caracal might do the trick for awhile. I know it was said that missiles aren't optimal, but I want to do some test runs and get some experience in the sites.
When I daytripped, I used a Drake with light missiles. Worked ok. Not sure I'd go with the rapid lights or not. The reload time on them is pretty long. They're typically used for PVP. The regular light missile launchers would be fine.
The biggest danger in daytripping is that someone else will come in the same hole you used to get there. If possible, have a cloaked alt sit on the hole so you'll have some warning. "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
***** Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM ***** |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
561
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Posted - 2014.04.12 15:05:00 -
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Guess you could run something along these lines:
Quote:[Caracal, wh w depot]
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction EM Ward Amplifier II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
and adjust the number of shield power relays, purgers and t2 missiles as skills allow for those. Fury missiles would make a lot of sense given their low price-per-unit. And upgrade mods as you can of course. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Egor Eads
Big Plays Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.04.12 15:09:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Guess you could run something along these lines: Quote:[Caracal, wh w depot]
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction EM Ward Amplifier II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Nova Light Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I and adjust the number of shield power relays, purgers and t2 missiles as skills allow for those. Fury missiles would make a lot of sense given their low price-per-unit. And upgrade mods as you can of course.
Perfect, thank you much again for all the help. Found a C2 with C1 + Highsec static already, too. |
Egor Eads
Big Plays Incorporated
1
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Posted - 2014.04.13 10:25:00 -
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Hey thread! I thought I'd report back in. We made some friends with a nice larger corp that offered protection in case of eviction by enemy corps. We're safely moved in and have our POS online and are very excited. Eveing in wormholes is just ridiculously cool and fun. We didn't have a chance to visit the C1 static, but we ran some C2s and made some decent cash.
Tomorrow we're going to work on securing our POS and build up some cash reserves to replace it in case it gets smashed. |
Eleisa Joringer
Les chips electriques
0
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Posted - 2014.04.14 06:32:00 -
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Good luck man. i have a c2 myself too and will start farming the static C4 once i get my domifleet. |
Egor Eads
Big Plays Incorporated
1
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Posted - 2014.04.14 09:22:00 -
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Eleisa Joringer wrote:Good luck man. i have a c2 myself too and will start farming the static C4 once i get my domifleet.
Hey, thanks. Good luck to you as well. |
King Aires
Coffee Sipper's Club Biggby Coffee Fan Club
37
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Posted - 2014.04.14 11:10:00 -
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Egor Eads wrote:Hey thread! I thought I'd report back in. We made some friends with a nice larger corp that offered protection in case of eviction by enemy corps. We're safely moved in and have our POS online and are very excited. Eveing in wormholes is just ridiculously cool and fun. We didn't have a chance to visit the C1 static, but we ran some C2s and made some decent cash.
Tomorrow we're going to work on securing our POS and build up some cash reserves to replace it in case it gets smashed.
I was just going to suggest that you either join a defense group or a small wormhole alliance. There are several groups out there that do mutual protection but don't require much else and there are a few alliances that take beginner WH corps just to show them the ropes.
Just don't give people a reason to add you and your members to their contact list. If you see a WH Alliance farming your system, let em do it for 16h until their static closes. Don't go ganking people's tengu's because you might get a lucky shot. |
Egor Eads
Big Plays Incorporated
1
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Posted - 2014.04.14 11:22:00 -
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King Aires wrote:Egor Eads wrote:Hey thread! I thought I'd report back in. We made some friends with a nice larger corp that offered protection in case of eviction by enemy corps. We're safely moved in and have our POS online and are very excited. Eveing in wormholes is just ridiculously cool and fun. We didn't have a chance to visit the C1 static, but we ran some C2s and made some decent cash.
Tomorrow we're going to work on securing our POS and build up some cash reserves to replace it in case it gets smashed. I was just going to suggest that you either join a defense group or a small wormhole alliance. There are several groups out there that do mutual protection but don't require much else and there are a few alliances that take beginner WH corps just to show them the ropes. Just don't give people a reason to add you and your members to their contact list. If you see a WH Alliance farming your system, let em do it for 16h until their static closes. Don't go ganking people's tengu's because you might get a lucky shot.
Don't worry, we are very lovable.
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Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
635
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Posted - 2014.04.14 11:34:00 -
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If you are in WHs for the isk you don't need anyone else. In fact the most efficient way is always to be solo. Done right, a solo player will always make more isk/hour in c3/c4 than any but the most efficiently run pve gangs even in c5/6 capital escalations.
Being solo removes overhead of coordination, time-consuming formup of fleets, lack of farmable sites and different levels of effort and skills put in. But of course it's terribly boring. . |
Egor Eads
Big Plays Incorporated
1
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Posted - 2014.04.14 11:37:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:If you are in WHs for the isk you don't need anyone else. In fact the most efficient way is always to be solo. Done right, a solo player will always make more isk/hour in c3/c4 than any but the most efficiently run pve gangs even in c5/6 capital escalations.
Being solo removes overhead of coordination, time-consuming formup of fleets, lack of farmable sites and different levels of effort and skills put in. But of course it's terribly boring.
Small group cant be that bad. We all enjoy each others company, and were all low skilled so together we can do things we otherwise cant. Either way, were mostly there because its fun. The fact that it happens to mostly be a good way to make isk is a bonus. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
635
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Posted - 2014.04.14 11:40:00 -
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Yeah, that is the right approach of course. Too much solo farming will just bore you out and make you leave EVE quickly, with lots of then useless isk piled up in your wallet.
edit: My point is that there is no lower limit regarding manpower to be able to live in w-space. Also not for pvp. You can pvp alone just fine, only you'll be mostly limited to ganks of solo farmers unless you are really good. . |
Egor Eads
Big Plays Incorporated
1
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Posted - 2014.04.14 11:41:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Yeah, that is the right approach of course. Too much solo farming will just bore you out and make you leave EVE quickly, with lots of then useless isk piled up in your wallet.
Been through that too many times before already. I think all of us have. |
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