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Doireen Kaundur
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:19:00 -
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I think CCP can gather more player input from forums, questionairs and sub numbers than they can from this group.
Is CSM just a feel-good dog and pony show? A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
236
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:21:00 -
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Some will say yes. Some will say no. Some will say maybe.
This is the most accurate response you can get |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
685
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:36:00 -
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Regardless, it's considerably more of a **** than ANY other bunch of dev/publishers have ever given about their players.
Effective or not, I appreciate the efforts they go to,to make me feel like a valued member of the community and even if it is a pony show,the csm goes a long way in that regard. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1539
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:40:00 -
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I guess they are more "reliable" as feedback source than simple polls due to a fact that devs speak with real people not with dry excel sheets that most definitely would contain healthy dosage of trolling. Of course that might be a good or bad thing depending on who is talking to who (whom?) and on what subject.
Also Malcanis is very effective as sarcastic holier-than-thou douche relentlessly pointing out that if you didn't put your people in CSM you have no right to have valuable opinion on anything. I miss good old manifesto writing Malcanis who could be bothered with responses longer than one line of "haha, you don't matter!". And I say it with all love I can squeeze out of my avatar. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1370
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:42:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Regardless, it's considerably more of a **** than ANY other bunch of dev/publishers have ever given about their players.
That's not really true. Starbound and Dwarf Fortress spring to mind immediately as counter examples. It would perhaps be more accurate to say: more of a **** than any large development house. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
685
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:44:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Regardless, it's considerably more of a **** than ANY other bunch of dev/publishers have ever given about their players.
That's not really true. Starbound and Dwarf Fortress spring to mind immediately as counter examples. It would perhaps be more accurate to say: more of a **** than any large development house. Fair assertion. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
2878
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:44:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:I think CCP can gather more player input from forums, questionairs and sub numbers than they can from this group. ccp apparently thinks otherwise
Schmata Bastanold wrote:I miss good old manifesto writing Malcanis who could be bothered with responses longer than one line of "haha, you don't matter!". i didn't elect him to put more effort into forums posting vOv |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:48:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:I think CCP can gather more player input from forums, questionairs and sub numbers than they can from this group.
Is CSM just a feel-good dog and pony show?
Got to love 'get rid of the CSM' posts.
If you are jealous that some people go to iceland than I can understand, otherwise directly talking to people who have the pulse on what players want or would like is invaluable.
Also we have someone to shout at as well if it goes wrong :P |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1539
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:49:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:I miss good old manifesto writing Malcanis who could be bothered with responses longer than one line of "haha, you don't matter!". i didn't elect him to put more effort into forums posting vOv
God forbid community representative would interact with community.
I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
685
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:49:00 -
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This has the look of an inconspicuous Maicanis appreciation thread... Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1539
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:54:00 -
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Isn't thread derailing most exciting among all forum sports? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Doireen Kaundur
626
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:03:00 -
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Looking at wiki, seems CSM was developed in part as a response to developer misconduct.
So "at the time" damage control? A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
Jallukola
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:05:00 -
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Maybe it's just a gimmick after all, CCP forming CSM thanks to virtual riots and then sprinkle some sense being heard ontop of it. If anything, I feel CSM is nothing but a pretty tag next to your on the forums and a permission to pretend more important than a "normal" user. |
Serene Repose
1247
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:32:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Some will say yes. Some will say no. Some will say maybe. About most anything rendering this response null and void.
The CSM is as effective as the player base notices - which is not at all. It's an ipso/facto thing. But, thanks for asking.
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
237
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:41:00 -
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There's a thing people are often forgetting about the CSM. Or they're just clueless.
People like Mangala Solaris or Mynnna have an actual playerbase behind them, which they could easily rattle up to make sure CCP hears what the players have to say.
Members of the CSM also *listen* to their people and tell that to CCP. Of course, CCP doesn't have to listen ... but we also are completely unable to tell when they listen and when they don't listen and - naturally - players are more likely to recognize when CCP doesn't listen.
People should be happy that the members of the CSM are moderate. Good people. Rational people. People who value the fact that we do not live in anarchy and chaos.
Unlike me.
I'm Austrian.
If I was on the CSM, I'd make damn sure that the voice of the people behind me would be heard.
All day. Every day. Forever.
(cue evil dictator laugh) MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!1111elevenoneoneone
Btw, did burn jita start already? |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
237
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:44:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Some will say yes. Some will say no. Some will say maybe. About most anything rendering this response null and void. The CSM is as effective as the player base notices - which is not at all. It's an ipso/facto thing. But, thanks for asking. Funny. I didn't ask anything, which means your response is null and void. I guess.
And besides that, it was 100% accurate. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1825
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Posted - 2014.04.12 11:36:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:I think CCP can gather more player input from forums, questionairs and sub numbers than they can from this group.
Is CSM just a feel-good dog and pony show? http://www.capstable.net
Listen to the most recent podcast with CCP Dolan... New player experience, more highsec PvE missions, casual play, balance, counters to AFK cloaking, expanding the NEX store, and Power Projection.
Azami Nevinyrall for CSM9! |
Seven Koskanaiken
the shadow plague Fidelas Constans
1174
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Posted - 2014.04.12 11:40:00 -
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Well, they can get you banned if they don't like your face, so in the light of that I wish all our esteemed CSM a glorious and long reign, from your humble servant. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
685
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Posted - 2014.04.12 12:10:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Well, they can get you banned if they don't like your face, so in the light of that I wish all our esteemed CSM a glorious and long reign, from your humble servant. that's just the vice chair. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Crompton Aberforth
University of Caille Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2014.04.12 12:45:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Well, they can get you banned if they don't like your face, so in the light of that I wish all our esteemed CSM a glorious and long reign, from your humble servant.
That's shooting the messenger! Maybe it's time to build a bridge....
As for the OP's comment suggesting CCP would be better off relying on polls and questionnaires, I've never seen one of those where I could honestly say everyone filling it out understood the question let alone the context behind the question.
I was told by a primary school science teacher how he needed to read science test questions out to his class. The reasoning behind this? He was confident the students could ace the answers about science however many of them struggle to comprehend the written question.
Invariably being able to discuss and debate something with players and/or their representatives is going to have more value for CCP, and in turn that value will flow to us, the end users.
I am the space cadet your mother warned you about. |
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Doireen Kaundur
632
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:00:00 -
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Themanfromdalmontee wrote: Got to love 'get rid of the CSM' posts.
If you are jealous that some people go to iceland than I can understand....
LOL.
It's Iceland, not Hawaii. A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
686
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:15:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:Themanfromdalmontee wrote: Got to love 'get rid of the CSM' posts.
If you are jealous that some people go to iceland than I can understand....
LOL. It's Iceland, not Hawaii. Not that funny, I would much rather a holiday in Iceland, regardless of fanfest or anything ccp related. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Budrick3
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
33
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Posted - 2014.04.12 14:00:00 -
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It's better than nothing I suppose. |
Jallukola
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.04.12 14:07:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Well, they can get you banned if they don't like your face, so in the light of that I wish all our esteemed CSM a glorious and long reign, from your humble servant.
It's a pretty thought yes, shame they really can't afford to do that.
EVE players are paranoid enough to keep track of every little nitpicky thing they do in- and out-game, all the way from chatlogs to recording massive amounts of video footage. Even if some magic banhammers start flying around the place because "hurdur feelings" the logs and events will always get straightened.
And if anything, investors will most certainly notice the drops in income such bans will bring.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
681
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Posted - 2014.04.12 16:32:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:I think CCP can gather more player input from forums, questionairs and sub numbers than they can from this group.
Is CSM just a feel-good dog and pony show?
They were originally created to be a watchdog group to keep CCP from another T20. Now, high school government in the asylum. PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
Serene Repose
1254
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Posted - 2014.04.13 01:15:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Serene Repose wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Some will say yes. Some will say no. Some will say maybe. About most anything rendering this response null and void. The CSM is as effective as the player base notices - which is not at all. It's an ipso/facto thing. But, thanks for asking. Funny. I didn't ask anything, which means your response is null and void. I guess. And besides that, it was 100% accurate. Uh...you didn't "ask" anything? Really?
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Lothros Andastar
The Minutemen Li3 Federation
37
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Posted - 2014.04.13 01:18:00 -
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It's all smoke and mirrors to make you think they affect things. |
Space Juden
Supermassive Potato Pancake
72
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Posted - 2014.04.13 02:51:00 -
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Think of the CSM as a student government
And there is your answer |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
683
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Posted - 2014.04.13 05:08:00 -
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Space Juden wrote:Think of the CSM as a student government
And there is your answer
Student govt whose original purview was to make sure the teachers dont cheat on their own tests PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
551
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Posted - 2014.04.13 05:08:00 -
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CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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