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Gosti Kahanid
GANOR Deep Space Explorers GANOR INC.
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:29:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:CCP Rise wrote:RATTLESNAKE
Role Bonus: 275% bonus to heavy and sentry drone damage and hitpoints (was 50% bonus to Cruise missile and Torpedo max velocity)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 175(-225) Maybe I'm missing something, but you are reducing to two heavy / sentry drones. Why? To me this is a nerf, as instead of recalling one drone that is being attacked and losing 1/5 damage, now we lose 50%.
Look at it from the other side. Instead of only 1/5 of your drones, you can now repair 1/2 of your drones with a single RR and don-¦t have to retraw. Also they can now whitstand more damage before the die, so more time to react |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5869
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:30:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:CCP Rise wrote:RATTLESNAKE
Role Bonus: 275% bonus to heavy and sentry drone damage and hitpoints (was 50% bonus to Cruise missile and Torpedo max velocity)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 175(-225) Maybe I'm missing something, but you are reducing to two heavy / sentry drones. Why? To me this is a nerf, as instead of recalling one drone that is being attacked and losing 1/5 damage, now we lose 50%. Read the "and hitpoints" thing. It's not a nerf, the Rattlesnake is going to be able to put more than 1400 dps on a target at an enormous range.
In other words, the Rattlesnake is becoming (for the 1st time) a Pirate Battleship lol.
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Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
1189
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:34:00 -
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Of course I'm going to nitpick ,though.
Re: Nightmare, I don't think it would be bad to give it a lower base sig. Right now it sits at 395 (370+25 from an LSE, which it will likely need to tank). This places it in the realm of the highest sig for the tracking-style battleships.
Fleet Phoon has an absurdly low 320m sig on an armor-tanking platform. 350 (adjusted to 375 with an LSE) places the Nightmare in the same realm as the Napoc and Apoc (370m and 380m, respectively). Ships like the Apoc get similar concessions for agility (15.5 on Navy Apoc, 16 on base Apoc) for fitting plates. ~ |
Vinyl 41
Perkone Academy
47
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:34:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Vinyl 41 wrote:mach was and still is 1 of the most flexible ship tank wise fixing it to just 1 type would feel like a nerf Gaining a mid is actually good for an armor Mach, as you can run more capacitor or tracking in the mids instead of the lows. same can be told about an extral low - but lets be realistic the chances that mach get 1 of those are pretty low |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4668
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:34:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:CCP Rise wrote:RATTLESNAKE
Role Bonus: 275% bonus to heavy and sentry drone damage and hitpoints (was 50% bonus to Cruise missile and Torpedo max velocity)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 175(-225) Maybe I'm missing something, but you are reducing to two heavy / sentry drones. Why? To me this is a nerf, as instead of recalling one drone that is being attacked and losing 1/5 damage, now we lose 50%. Read the "and hitpoints" thing. It's not a nerf, the Rattlesnake is going to be able to put more than 1400 dps on a target at an enormous range. In other words, the Rattlesnake is becoming (for the 1st time) a Pirate Battleship lol.
It's also becoming what turned out to be an excellent investment opportunity. I talked myself into a couple of them once I saw the Worm changes. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3438
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:34:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Read the "and hitpoints" thing.
It's not a nerf, the Rattlesnake is going to be able to put more than 1400 dps on a target at an enormous range. In other words, the Rattlesnake is becoming (for the 1st time) a Pirate Battleship lol. Saw and noted the HP increase.
Guess I'll have to see how it is on SiSi. I own 3 Rattlesnakes; none of them have missiles. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
742
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:35:00 -
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AleAlejandro wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:AleAlejandro wrote:Straight up buff to the NM <3 Shield incursion runners are dancing in the streets. Armour incursion runners are now looking at dumping any laser boat but the Nightmare. God I remember the days when I used to logi with you, those were the days... that sounded dirty Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1174
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:40:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Read the "and hitpoints" thing.
It's not a nerf, the Rattlesnake is going to be able to put more than 1400 dps on a target at an enormous range. In other words, the Rattlesnake is becoming (for the 1st time) a Pirate Battleship lol. Saw and noted the HP increase. Guess I'll have to see how it is on SiSi. I own 3 Rattlesnakes; none of them have missiles.
I make it that sentries on an unrigged Rattlesnake will have 21k EHP. Heavies will have 9-13k EHP. Not sure if drone HP are being changed though, that's using old data. |
Mardus Rial
Ireco Industries Zombie Pony Express
0
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:43:00 -
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RATTLESNAKE
Gallente Battleship Bonus: 10% bonus to kinetic and thermal missile damage (was 10% drone damage and hitpoints)
Caldari Battleship Bonus: 4% bonus to all shield resistances
Role Bonus: 275% bonus to heavy and sentry drone damage and hitpoints (was 50% bonus to Cruise missile and Torpedo max velocity)
Slot layout: 6H, 7M, 6L; 0 turrets, 5 launchers(+1) Fittings: 10000 PWG, 710 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 12750 / 8940(-358) / 9960 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 5350(+38) / 1154000ms / 4.59 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 94 / .128 / 99300000 / 18.45s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 175(-225) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 100 / 7 Sensor strength: 30 Signature radius: 450(-10)
Way to nerf the Rattlesnake into a useless piece of trash. **** you CCP. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
745
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:43:00 -
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Mardus Rial wrote: Way to nerf the Rattlesnake into a useless piece of trash. **** you CCP.
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Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:45:00 -
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I think you should drop a turret from the Mach then increase the RoF or damage bonus just so it doesn't have a weird buck tooth turret. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4670
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:48:00 -
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Mardus Rial wrote:RATTLESNAKE
Gallente Battleship Bonus: 10% bonus to kinetic and thermal missile damage (was 10% drone damage and hitpoints)
Caldari Battleship Bonus: 4% bonus to all shield resistances
Role Bonus: 275% bonus to heavy and sentry drone damage and hitpoints (was 50% bonus to Cruise missile and Torpedo max velocity)
Slot layout: 6H, 7M, 6L; 0 turrets, 5 launchers(+1) Fittings: 10000 PWG, 710 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 12750 / 8940(-358) / 9960 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 5350(+38) / 1154000ms / 4.59 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 94 / .128 / 99300000 / 18.45s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-75) / 175(-225) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 100 / 7 Sensor strength: 30 Signature radius: 450(-10)
Way to nerf the Rattlesnake into a useless piece of trash. **** you CCP.
Are you high, or were you being satirical? Or both? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4670
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:49:00 -
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In market news, the Rattlesnake, previously selling for between 410 and 430 million isk, is now battling between price spikes and undercutting at around 610 mil.
The market has spoken. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
106
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:50:00 -
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Mardus Rial wrote: Way to nerf the Rattlesnake into a useless piece of trash. **** you CCP.
How is it nerfed?
Unless you specialized in light-drone damage, heavy ewar drones or sniping with missiles (lol), the rattle is better in every way than its current form. Vacuums suck. |
Mr Ignitious
Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:54:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Ignitious wrote:
But that's ONLY true for heavies and sentries. It's now worse with mediums and lights. Heavies won't get used because heavies suck (they are too slow and have poor tracking - even with proposed changes) and sentries are only put to good use from domi's and ishtars.
People also keep losing their **** over the missile damage it's getting now. They're missiles, creating an environment where a torp will hit for full damage is about as difficult as it is to get a dread to hit for full. This rattlesnake may have great paper dps, but in practice it's going to be ****.
You mean the elite frigs that will pop to the 5 launchers worth of bonused precision crusies backed up by a TB and 5 light drones? That is of course for peopel not smart enough to just MJD away and pop them with sentries as they approach. I'm serious in asking this: Do you PVE at all?
For the record, I'm talking about PVP in this case. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5869
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:55:00 -
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Mr Ignitious wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Ignitious wrote:
But that's ONLY true for heavies and sentries. It's now worse with mediums and lights. Heavies won't get used because heavies suck (they are too slow and have poor tracking - even with proposed changes) and sentries are only put to good use from domi's and ishtars.
People also keep losing their **** over the missile damage it's getting now. They're missiles, creating an environment where a torp will hit for full damage is about as difficult as it is to get a dread to hit for full. This rattlesnake may have great paper dps, but in practice it's going to be ****.
You mean the elite frigs that will pop to the 5 launchers worth of bonused precision crusies backed up by a TB and 5 light drones? That is of course for peopel not smart enough to just MJD away and pop them with sentries as they approach. I'm serious in asking this: Do you PVE at all? For the record, I'm talking about PVP in this case.
I know, the poster i was replying to mentioned pve (elite frigs).
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5870
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:In market news, the Rattlesnake, previously selling for between 410 and 430 million isk, is now battling between price spikes and undercutting at around 610 mil.
The market has spoken.
DAMN IT RISE, you know not to do Battleship threads before I get home, you cost me isk. I'm filling a support ticket for reimbursement!!!
Well, after I head down to Blood Raider sapce and start farmin me some 'Snake BPCs lol.
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Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
3310
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:59:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:In market news, the Rattlesnake, previously selling for between 410 and 430 million isk, is now battling between price spikes and undercutting at around 610 mil. The market has spoken. And Nestor prices are now hovering around $1.4-billion ISK because players are finally starting to realize how worthless they are, and that the actual "sales" have simply been a marketing ploy to artificially inflate the price. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Sieonigh
Rim Collection RC Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
13
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:59:00 -
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CCP Rise i hope you can settle an agument for me?
the after burner bonus for the NM
this argument was about the Gist X type 100 NM AB in particular
will the max velocity bonus end up being (after skills to lvl 5) be 506.25% ? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4673
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:00:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:In market news, the Rattlesnake, previously selling for between 410 and 430 million isk, is now battling between price spikes and undercutting at around 610 mil.
The market has spoken. DAMN IT RISE, you know not to do Battleship threads before I get home, you cost me isk. I'm filling a support ticket for reimbursement!!! Well, after I head down to Blood Raider sapce and start farmin me some 'Snake BPCs lol.
Of note, the price of those has also shot up enormously. Some enterprising individual had snapped up every one of them on the contracts market before I even woke up to notice this thread had been posted. They're being slowly relisted at roughly double of what they were last night. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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PinkKnife
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
493
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:01:00 -
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I give up. If anyone can tell me what one roll a NM can do better than any other boat, please tell me. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4673
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:03:00 -
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PinkKnife wrote:I give up. If anyone can tell me what one roll a NM can do better than any other boat, please tell me.
It looks pretty cool? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
107
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:03:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:In market news, the Rattlesnake, previously selling for between 410 and 430 million isk, is now battling between price spikes and undercutting at around 610 mil.
The market has spoken. DAMN IT RISE, you know not to do Battleship threads before I get home, you cost me isk. I'm filling a support ticket for reimbursement!!! Well, after I head down to Blood Raider sapce and start farmin me some 'Snake BPCs lol.
Do you mean UP to Guristas space? Vacuums suck. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
107
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:04:00 -
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PinkKnife wrote:I give up. If anyone can tell me what one roll a NM can do better than any other boat, please tell me.
Fire Lasers Vertically? Vacuums suck. |
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:06:00 -
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I wish I bought a bunch of SnakeRattles before they would go up like this Oh well, maybe next time with the Recon Ships. |
Little Blackjack
Money Savers Inc
11
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:09:00 -
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Nightmare NEEDS a DPS upgrade. just +1L is too few since we fly it with 4 HS already.
If you dont wanna go for 25% more DPS for the turrets, I strongly suggest to at least upgrade drones:
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 100(+25) / 150(+75)
That would give the option to field 4 sentries with 200 DPS extra. Fair deal. And enough of a buff. If still too much, go for
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 150(+75)
at the very least. |
Mr Hyde113
Origin. Black Legion.
125
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:10:00 -
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Amarr is pleased with your work on the Nightmare and Bhaalgorn.
Now if you don't mind, please give this Quote:(note: Energy Vampires fitted to this ship will drain targeted ship's capacitor regardless of your own capacitor level) to the Pilgrim and Curse so I can nostalgia back to 2007
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Gargep Farrow
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:14:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote: the rattle is better in every way than its current form.
Not sure I would go that far, but it has gained overall versatility with the loss of drone versatility. |
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:15:00 -
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Mr Hyde113 wrote:Amarr is pleased with your work on the Nightmare and Bhaalgorn. Now if you don't mind, please give this Quote:(note: Energy Vampires fitted to this ship will drain targeted ship's capacitor regardless of your own capacitor level) to the Pilgrim and Curse so I can nostalgia back to 2007 And give that big middle engine back to the curse! Give it baaaaack! |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
636
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:17:00 -
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Mr Hyde113 wrote:Amarr is pleased with your work on the Nightmare and Bhaalgorn. Now if you don't mind, please give this Quote:(note: Energy Vampires fitted to this ship will drain targeted ship's capacitor regardless of your own capacitor level) to the Pilgrim and Curse so I can nostalgia back to 2007
they'd still be useless. armour tank with 4 lows, or a gang ewar ship with 12km range. |
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