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Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
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Posted - 2014.04.18 00:23:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:I'm thinking a RHML + Orges + 7 mids for webs/scrams = Dead anything that gets within range.
Till the RHML have to re-load It will be the second highest dps battleship in the game. Just ballparking it I'm going to guestimate 1550-1750 dps before overloading. It also can probably get the highest EHP of any battleship. For fleets, if the Rattle can get buy on not fitting any e-war and relying on his fleet to do the tackling the snake will be a PITA to kill (so bad for pirmarying) but also be a big mistake to NOT try and kill first due it its massive DPS. Cruise + Sentries mean the ship's dps is also practically e-war proof and won't do you much good to jam/neut/damp it.
I think my PVE rattler just might become my favorite PvP ship, when I can afford to risk it. Even the Gila will be pushing 1k dps in a cruiser sized package.
You'll be getting around 780 Dps with 3 DDA from Ogres, so yes if you can get another 700+ Dps out of 5 launchers, 2 BCU and 50% bonus, you will have a 1500 dps battleship.. Chances are though - you won't. It will be a fine juggling act for Dps - drop a DDA for a BCU, you drop 103 Dps to gain 89. Drop either for a low slot drone tracking link, you are dropping a considerable amount of overall (paper) Dps.
Someone suggested CCP Rise and his pet project - Rapid Launchers - had an influence on the Gila and Snake changes. I would agree. Seems he wasn't happy simply creating niche weapons he is now creating niche ships to use with them.
Or it could be, the Snake (used to be a drone slinging pirate battleship) is being dumbed down to make the Nestor more appealing?
You rarely see pirate battleships in Pvp gangs, they are just too nice a target. I haven't seen a Bhaal in so long I thought they had been removed from the game. Does anyone expect this situation to change?
Gila has dropped in price since the announced changes - Currently the Snake is at a good place to sell (if people buy them) They are up nearly 200 mil on last weeks prices. If you want to take the profit and run, do it now, prices will drop again soon. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1116
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Posted - 2014.04.18 00:33:00 -
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Patri Andari wrote:Ebag Trescientas wrote:Troah Straken wrote:What if for the gurista's line we swap the 50% damage bonus for missiles with a 50% decrease in reload time for all launchers. Would really help those rapid heavies and so forth shine. It would also pigeon-hole the RS and Gila even further, limiting them to effectively being a giant flyswatter against frigates. As it is, the Gila and RS could fit EITHER the standard or rapid launchers. Decrease in reload time would force it into only the RLML/RHML. naw. A reload bonus would benefit all launchers and be OP as hell. How is a 5 second reduction in reload after 27 normal unbonused volleys (remember, this is reload, not cycle time) in any way OP? |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
138
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:19:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:
You'll be getting around 780 Dps with 3 DDA from Ogres, so yes if you can get another 700+ Dps out of 5 launchers, 2 BCU and 50% bonus, you will have a 1500 dps battleship.. Chances are though - you won't. It will be a fine juggling act for Dps - drop a DDA for a BCU, you drop 103 Dps to gain 89. Drop either for a low slot drone tracking link, you are dropping a considerable amount of overall (paper) Dps.
If the Raven/Navy Scorp/Navy Raven/Golem can hit 900+ with cruise and 8 effective launchers, I'm sure the rattle can do 700 easily with 7.5 effective launchers.
Vacuums suck. |
Tharkad Delka
Dry Atomic Fusion Gatekeepers Universe
0
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Posted - 2014.04.18 06:24:00 -
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Mr Doctor wrote:Nadezda Morozovovna wrote:Oh, you like to fly rattlesnake? Let me rework it and completly fu*k everything up How so? Same drone DPS, added big missile dps buff. Its a straight up buff unless missile range was a big thing for you.... what are you all greetin' aboot?
How about that in Null sec, in a Snake you had a chance against a couple inty's tackling you, but now without the added drone dmg/HP for your Warr II's your basically boned.
Nullified Inty's + 2 shot Warr II's = Defenceless Snake in null |
Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
148
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Posted - 2014.04.18 06:44:00 -
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Tharkad Delka wrote:Mr Doctor wrote:Nadezda Morozovovna wrote:Oh, you like to fly rattlesnake? Let me rework it and completly fu*k everything up How so? Same drone DPS, added big missile dps buff. Its a straight up buff unless missile range was a big thing for you.... what are you all greetin' aboot? How about that in Null sec, in a Snake you had a chance against a couple inty's tackling you, but now without the added drone dmg/HP for your Warr II's your basically boned. Nullified Inty's + 2 shot Warr II's = Defenceless Snake in null
Maybe don't fly a battleship solo? They aren't meant to be solo wtfpwnmobiles but part of gangs and fleets. |
Tharkad Delka
Dry Atomic Fusion Gatekeepers Universe
0
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Posted - 2014.04.18 06:55:00 -
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Lucine Delacourt wrote:Tharkad Delka wrote:Mr Doctor wrote:Nadezda Morozovovna wrote:Oh, you like to fly rattlesnake? Let me rework it and completly fu*k everything up How so? Same drone DPS, added big missile dps buff. Its a straight up buff unless missile range was a big thing for you.... what are you all greetin' aboot? How about that in Null sec, in a Snake you had a chance against a couple inty's tackling you, but now without the added drone dmg/HP for your Warr II's your basically boned. Nullified Inty's + 2 shot Warr II's = Defenceless Snake in null Maybe don't fly a battleship solo? They aren't meant to be solo wtfpwnmobiles but part of gangs and fleets.
Ya don't spend alot of time in Null do ya? most Anom running gets done with 2-3 BS's. BS's Typcially can't deal with Cepters so well, that WAS the role of the Snake BS, Until now. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
712
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Posted - 2014.04.18 07:34:00 -
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Wow Jita price for the rattlesnake is collapsing!
It really had some gains, I thought it was going up to join the other pirate battleships.
It looks like everyone is realising that the buff they thought they were getting, can't be used without an unacceptable compromise? What a shame, but I guess the market is talking.
Ccp Rise please let us know you are listening.
This is the issue
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There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Luscius Uta
76
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Posted - 2014.04.18 08:04:00 -
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I'm not too happy with some of those changes, although they aren't as bad as cruiser changes (especially PG cripples on Cynabal and Vigilant).
Rattlesnake really isn't improved much, since it still has 7.5 effective drones, although this is compensated by increasing the number of effective launchers. Also, having drone damage bonus built into the hull itself, along with changes to the Drone Interfacing skill means it will be much less skill-intensive. Since light and medium drones will be unbonused, I expect Rapid Heavy Missile setups to become dominant as Cruise missiles cannot hit smaller stuff effectively (while a MJD will also help in such situations, it has a long reactivation time which will be annoying if you had to activate it just to kill a few frigates). At the end of the day, what I expect changes to Gila and Rattlesnake will do is to convince most existing users to switch to Ishtars. The old bonus of 10% to drone damage and hitpoints wasn't broken and was apparently changed just for the sake of changing (which also applies to most of the changes done by CCP in the last year or two, sadly).
Nightmare, being another ship that has little use other than to shoot red crosses, will not benefit much from the afterburner bonus. Good thing is that it still has 10 effective turrets so it was still buffed at the end of the day, but every incursionrunner would be happier if there was some kind of capacitor-related bonus instead of this predictable AB bonus.
Bhaalgorn and Vindicator haven't been changed much and Vindi finally has a decent targeting range - cool.
Machariel wasn't changed much either, scan resolution got nerfed but that's fair when you compare it with other battleships. What I was hoping is to replace one lowslot with a midslot though, to be in pair with the rest of the Angel lineup.
Highsec is for casuals. |
Sixx Spades
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
183
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Posted - 2014.04.18 08:16:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Wow Jita price for the rattlesnake is collapsing! It really had some gains, I thought it was going up to join the other pirate battleships. It looks like everyone is realising that the buff they thought they were getting, can't be used without an unacceptable compromise? What a shame, but I guess the market is talking. No, a lot of us finally cashed out our BPCs and hulls when the price spiked. I've personally been saving close to 60 of them for a couple months now in anticipation of this, finally selling them at double the price i bought them at.
Price speculation based upon Dev Blogs is definitely not a good indicator of ship popularity. Wait for the actual changes to go through and gauge it after the price settles. Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future. |
Spugg Galdon
APOCALYPSE LEGION The Obsidian Front
414
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Posted - 2014.04.18 08:30:00 -
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Tharkad Delka wrote:Lucine Delacourt wrote:Tharkad Delka wrote:Mr Doctor wrote:Nadezda Morozovovna wrote:Oh, you like to fly rattlesnake? Let me rework it and completly fu*k everything up How so? Same drone DPS, added big missile dps buff. Its a straight up buff unless missile range was a big thing for you.... what are you all greetin' aboot? How about that in Null sec, in a Snake you had a chance against a couple inty's tackling you, but now without the added drone dmg/HP for your Warr II's your basically boned. Nullified Inty's + 2 shot Warr II's = Defenceless Snake in null Maybe don't fly a battleship solo? They aren't meant to be solo wtfpwnmobiles but part of gangs and fleets. Ya don't spend alot of time in Null do ya? most Anom running gets done with 2-3 BS's. BS's Typcially can't deal with Cepters so well, that WAS the role of the Snake BS, Until now.
Errrrm, how about you drop a mobile depot, refit to deal with the ceptors, RLML's seems as the snake gets a damage bonus to ALL missiles (Therm/Kin), or refit with neuts, cap them out, MJD out of range and warp the **** out. And if you start saying "Blah, blah but ceptors can point me outside of neut range" well, yeah. But they have to SCRAMBLE you to actually tackle you because of MJD's.
BS's are extremely easy to keep safe in anoms/DED sites.
Stop being a tool. |
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
712
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Posted - 2014.04.18 08:33:00 -
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Sixx Spades wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Wow Jita price for the rattlesnake is collapsing! It really had some gains, I thought it was going up to join the other pirate battleships. It looks like everyone is realising that the buff they thought they were getting, can't be used without an unacceptable compromise? What a shame, but I guess the market is talking. No, a lot of us finally cashed out our BPCs and hulls when the price spiked. I've personally been saving close to 60 of them for a couple months now in anticipation of this, finally selling them at double the price i bought them at. Price speculation based upon Dev Blogs is definitely not a good indicator of ship popularity. Wait for the actual changes to go through and gauge it after the price settles.
Exactly, the initial reaction to the dev blog, raised the price as people thought the rattlesnake was getting a good buff, this gave you a good strong market to sell into, unfortunately once people looked closer they realised that the major part of the buff was unusable, without gimping their fits, so demand dropped, demand drops, price drops.
If the rattlesnake actually was able to use the bonus launcher, then it would have had a real buff, and price would have continued to rise.
Hence "the market has spoken" There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
712
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Posted - 2014.04.18 08:42:00 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:Tharkad Delka wrote:Lucine Delacourt wrote:Tharkad Delka wrote:
How about that in Null sec, in a Snake you had a chance against a couple inty's tackling you, but now without the added drone dmg/HP for your Warr II's your basically boned.
Nullified Inty's + 2 shot Warr II's = Defenceless Snake in null
Maybe don't fly a battleship solo? They aren't meant to be solo wtfpwnmobiles but part of gangs and fleets. Ya don't spend alot of time in Null do ya? most Anom running gets done with 2-3 BS's. BS's Typcially can't deal with Cepters so well, that WAS the role of the Snake BS, Until now. Errrrm, how about you drop a mobile depot, refit to deal with the ceptors, RLML's seems as the snake gets a damage bonus to ALL missiles (Therm/Kin), or refit with neuts, cap them out, MJD out of range and warp the **** out. And if you start saying "Blah, blah but ceptors can point me outside of neut range" well, yeah. But they have to SCRAMBLE you to actually tackle you because of MJD's. BS's are extremely easy to keep safe in anoms/DED sites. Stop being a tool.
So you believe that people will drop a mobile depot, and wait a minute for it to deploy while the interceptors chip away and call in heavy damage, or MJD to a point where their drones cannot actually fire on the interceptors? Oh you mean run away! As there is no choice now. Yeah, running away from rat frigates is a thing it seems.
And you believe that people will continue to use the rattlesnake, rather than a more suitable ship , where the rattlesnake could handle it before??
And this constitutes a buff?
A bit rich calling the first poster a tool.
The fix is incredibly simple, and adds no power to the ship, so how is nerfing the ship rather than actually making it desirable, the better option? There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Myrthiis
Lost World Compagny Quebec United Legions
3
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:00:00 -
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"CCP Rise" wrote:I didn't say serious, I said significant. It wouldn't just be a damage increase. It would be a heavier importance placed on a required skill, changes to fitting balance, changes in ammo consumption, change in fitting cost, potential effects on damage output and/or alpha. It's not unsolvable or something, it's just a lot of things that need to be accounted for and we don't think it's worth it in this case.
Ok it's seems ,u've quite misunderstood what we we're asking for ...So i'll try to explain you .
-By asking for turret symmetry we we're asking for a modification of the 3d model of the hull ,currently the turret layout is shaped as a double I ,meaning we have 4 slot board to board .Concerning this problem who make the ships looking cluncky and somewhat strange u could implement bridges deck between the two part of the hull,maybe a cone shaped form like the front face of the cynabal that would give a coherence . The finality would be to have a diamond shapped pattern for the turret .
Now concerning the second problem ,the viability of the Machariel on his everyday usage ,and why we are asking for a modification of the bonus to the profit of a 6T 7h 5m 7l + a 37.5% Rof or damage ... They're is currently only 3 usage of the machariel : -Pve level 4 missioning boat or anomaly ratting for the most ambitious -Anecdotic use in Pvp -Incursion as one of the two competitive snipping plateform
In pve missionning 99 % percent of the machariel are fitted with AC 800 mm + xlarge SB or LSB ,so the change we asking for wont change anything in this part maybe some fit we ll be easier .But honnestly there is nothing game breaking here Now the last 1 % are people using 1400 mm and the changes to the layout will be a real life changer,nothing game breaking but we could hope to see more fit using 1400 mm as they re already a species in danger ...
In pvp u could turn the things upside down ,thats wont change a thing except maybe a double plated fit could emerge but that would go against the natural quality of the hull .
Now in incursion if u maintain the current change to the nightmare without balancing the thing for the machariel he will dissapear from incursion as he won't keep up in term of tracking and dps .There is already a 150 dps gape between the two of them in favor of the nightmare at same range and twice the tracking ,we barrely keep up with NM by rigging a t2 a large projectile burst arreator at the cost of + 10 % Pg cost ,we have to plug a full genolution set with perfect rigging skill+ +6 pg implant for it. on the otherside nightmare pilot have no concern on fitting cost .
U 've took the decision to add another low to the nightmare. Fine but what will happen, most of them will fit another TE and remove a TC then add another invul or resist hardener . Here start the funny part... resist capped with 600 dps at 160 KM + with more than twice the tracking of a machariel , 3000 pg and 400 cpu free + 2 utility med and 2 utility high .
I don't know if in iceland u call that balanced , but we re i am we call that OVERPOWERED .So now i told u my concern and here are my questions .
Do you intend to remove the Machariel from incursions? Do you intend to make of the nightmare the only snipping platform in them ?
I would be glad if u respond to these concerns . |
Morukk Nuamzzar
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:09:00 -
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Myrthiis wrote: U 've took the decision to add another low to the nightmare. Fine but what will happen, most of them will fit another TE and remove a TC then add another invul or resist hardener . Here start the funny part... resist capped with 600 dps at 160 KM + with more than twice the tracking of a machariel , 3000 pg and 400 cpu free + 2 utility med and 2 utility high .
I don't know if in iceland u call that balanced , but we re i am we call that OVERPOWERED.
Machariel was OVERPOWERED before, now it's not so much. There is another. Learn to live with that. Thank you.
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Myrthiis
Lost World Compagny Quebec United Legions
3
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:11:00 -
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Morukk Nuamzzar wrote:Myrthiis wrote: U 've took the decision to add another low to the nightmare. Fine but what will happen, most of them will fit another TE and remove a TC then add another invul or resist hardener . Here start the funny part... resist capped with 600 dps at 160 KM + with more than twice the tracking of a machariel , 3000 pg and 400 cpu free + 2 utility med and 2 utility high .
I don't know if in iceland u call that balanced , but we re i am we call that OVERPOWERED.
Machariel was OVERPOWERED before, now it's not so much. There is another. Learn to live with that. Thank you. Prove me that currently the mach is overpowered with numbers ,would u ? Rumors aren't fact learn to live with that . |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1185
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:13:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Gypsio III wrote:If the drone control range is that important just use a rig. Oh thank you, i never thought of that, all the hours working out suitable balanced fits, maximising the features and advantages of this ship, and I did not see your wonderful solution that Does not **** up my shields at all!
Oh, you're using your rigslots for tank? Strange. Are you talking about L5 missions or something? |
The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
250
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:35:00 -
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I am not rise but as Inc FC myself:
The sniper spots are already set up the way they are because of the ranges of machs, not the range of NMs, they will not change therefore the extra range is not as important as most people believe. Also the Mach is inferior for raw DPS purpose, everybody knows that, the reason you need them is to win contests with the huge alpha on armor and structure hits or to have ships that can enter the next pocket quicker, starting sooner to do dps and that doesn't change you still need a lot of machariel on grid if you want win contests in HQ fleets.
I do actually agree that the mach could use more power grid. Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
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Myrthiis
Lost World Compagny Quebec United Legions
3
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:37:00 -
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Quote:
Oh, you're using your rigslots for tank? Strange. Are you talking about L5 missions or something?
Drone range rigs give a -10 % Cpu he wont have as much room to fit hardener on it especially with an added launcher who will use 11 cpu more than a drone range module |
Myrthiis
Lost World Compagny Quebec United Legions
3
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:41:00 -
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The Djego wrote:I am not rise but as Inc FC myself: The sniper spots are already set up the way they are because of the ranges of machs, not the range of NMs, they will not change therefore the extra range is not as important as most people believe. Also the Mach is inferior for raw DPS purpose, everybody knows that, the reason you need them is to win contests with the huge alpha on armor and structure hits or to have ships that can enter the next pocket quicker, starting sooner to do dps and that doesn't change you still need a lot of machariel on grid if you want win contests in HQ fleets. I do actually agree that the mach could use more power grid.
U mean could have more power or use less power grid ,i hope.
And concerning the dps gape it ll not only be a 50 dps advantage but a 150 dps advantage now to the nightmare so maybe ur right ,but i doubt things will stay as they are once u will look deeper in it .
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Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
160
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:45:00 -
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Last Wolf wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:
You'll be getting around 780 Dps with 3 DDA from Ogres, so yes if you can get another 700+ Dps out of 5 launchers, 2 BCU and 50% bonus, you will have a 1500 dps battleship.. Chances are though - you won't. It will be a fine juggling act for Dps - drop a DDA for a BCU, you drop 103 Dps to gain 89. Drop either for a low slot drone tracking link, you are dropping a considerable amount of overall (paper) Dps.
If the Raven/Navy Scorp/Navy Raven/Golem can hit 900+ with cruise and 8 effective launchers, I'm sure the rattle can do 700 easily with 7.5 effective launchers. Of course it will be able to get 700 Dps out of missiles BUT it will be a the expense of Drone Dps, on what funnily enough is supposed to be a Drone Boat.
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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers SpaceMonkey's Alliance
444
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:46:00 -
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so, CCP Rise... on a scale of 1 to 10 how terrified are you now that capitals and super capitals are next on your list of things to re-balance? |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1185
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:05:00 -
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Myrthiis wrote:Quote:
Oh, you're using your rigslots for tank? Strange. Are you talking about L5 missions or something?
Drone range rigs give a -10 % Cpu he wont have as much room to fit hardener on it especially with an added launcher who will use 11 cpu more than a drone range module
I've no idea what his fit is, or even what he's using it for, because he's too busy complaining rather than giving details, but if we're talking generic PVE, it should be entirely possible to free up some CPU with cheap faction mods. The faction DDAs will presumably be low-CPU, too. Also, that drone rig is -6% CPU with a little effort. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
713
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:11:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Myrthiis wrote:Quote:
Oh, you're using your rigslots for tank? Strange. Are you talking about L5 missions or something?
Drone range rigs give a -10 % Cpu he wont have as much room to fit hardener on it especially with an added launcher who will use 11 cpu more than a drone range module I've no idea what his fit is, or even what he's using it for, because he's too busy complaining rather than giving details, but if we're talking generic PVE, it should be entirely possible to free up some CPU with cheap faction mods. The faction DDAs will presumably be low-CPU, too. Also, that drone rig is -6% CPU with a little effort.
Please read some of the posts, and you might have a better idea?
Here is one Try reading it
Request to ccp Rise There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1185
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:15:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Myrthiis wrote:Quote:
Oh, you're using your rigslots for tank? Strange. Are you talking about L5 missions or something?
Drone range rigs give a -10 % Cpu he wont have as much room to fit hardener on it especially with an added launcher who will use 11 cpu more than a drone range module I've no idea what his fit is, or even what he's using it for, because he's too busy complaining rather than giving details, but if we're talking generic PVE, it should be entirely possible to free up some CPU with cheap faction mods. The faction DDAs will presumably be low-CPU, too. Also, that drone rig is -6% CPU with a little effort. Please read some of the posts, and you might have a better idea? Here is one Try reading it Request to ccp Rise
That post gives no information about your fit or what you use it for except to imply that the 85-100 km window is important to you. Which we already knew. Most of it is just generic whining.
You're going to need to make more effort if you want to be taken seriously. |
Myrthiis
Lost World Compagny Quebec United Legions
4
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:15:00 -
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Hint look on the market the price of DDA faction and other drone utilities :) |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
713
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:17:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Myrthiis wrote:Quote:
Oh, you're using your rigslots for tank? Strange. Are you talking about L5 missions or something?
Drone range rigs give a -10 % Cpu he wont have as much room to fit hardener on it especially with an added launcher who will use 11 cpu more than a drone range module I've no idea what his fit is, or even what he's using it for, because he's too busy complaining rather than giving details, but if we're talking generic PVE, it should be entirely possible to free up some CPU with cheap faction mods. The faction DDAs will presumably be low-CPU, too. Also, that drone rig is -6% CPU with a little effort. Please read some of the posts, and you might have a better idea? Here is one Try reading it Request to ccp Rise That post gives no information about your fit or what you use it for except to imply that the 85-100 km window is important to you. Which we already knew. Most of it is just generic whining. You're going to need to make more effort if you want to be taken seriously.
Possibly you stopped reading early?
"Ps i am not asking you for either fitting advice or the benefit of your vast experience. I am pointing out an issue that has become apparent when looking at the way the new bonuses apply, I do not require your permission to fly a rattlesnake, and I do not demand the right to approve the ships you fly and the fittings you choose to make the most of them."
Show others the same respect! There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1185
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:18:00 -
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No, that was the "generic whining" I was referring to. Nobody will take you seriously without details of fit and use to support your complaint. |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1185
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:21:00 -
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Myrthiis wrote:Hint look on the market the price of DDA faction and other drone utilities :)
They're not listed on the market because they're not in game yet.
Quote: New drone modules
Finally, we are rounding out the collection of drone upgrade modules by introducing low slot Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancers and faction versions of the Drone Damage Amplifier and Drone Navigation Computer modules, and adding more faction versions of the Omnidirectional Tracking Link module. The faction modules will be available in Gallente Navy and Amarr Navy variants (available in both normal and FW LP stores) as well as Guristas and Rogue Drone variants available as loot drops. More details about these modules will be available at a later date. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
713
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:26:00 -
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Honestly I lose faith in humanity if it is so hard to realise that a bonus that DEPENDS on reducing the capabilities of a ship might be an oversight?
And you want to argue fits to show how much exactly can be clawed back?
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:41:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Honestly I lose faith in humanity if it is so hard to realise that a bonus that DEPENDS on reducing the capabilities of a ship might be an oversight?
I don't think it is an oversight, I think it's deliberate, to focus the ship on shorter ranges. It fits in with the removal of the missile velocity bonus, after all.
Why would it be an oversight? And even if it was, does it matter if your fit can be rejigged? So, back to the detail of your complaint? |
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