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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:19:00 -
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Morphisat wrote:Lephia DeGrande wrote:Alim Omaristos wrote:Please replace CCP Falcon. Lying to people losing their jobs, and the community is not something someone in his position should be doing. I mean you're already laying people off may as well get some one who failed the basic parts of his job. Isn't that practically the real deal of an Community Manager? Ah was just about to post that, and you beat me to it ! Not really CCP Falcon's fault, he gets orders from the Man.
Falcon does indeed get all his talking points on this issue from upper management. He is clearly a middleman on this particular topic.
So why not have one of the c-suite guys in CCP actually answer these questions as opposed to Falcon emailing them and waiting for the official response that he then posts? Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Mixu Paatelainen
T1LL THE END
92
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:20:00 -
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The teenagers who were into Twilight who were the intended cash cow when this started grew up and moved on.
Sucks for those who lost their jobs. |
Ryunosuke Kusanagi
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:20:00 -
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so any idea if these resources will be redistributed to finishing Incarna? |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3546
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:23:00 -
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Thead Enco wrote:Stitcher wrote:[ctrl+c, ctrl+v]
This is disappointing. Genuinely disappointing. After the video and tools we saw at Fanfest last years, this is a sad moment.
Hopefully it's only a temporary mothballing rather than a full-fledge binning of the dream. I still believe that CCP can make a WoD MMO happen, even if it's not going to happen yet.
In my opinion, focusing on only a single IP is a risky move: all the eggs are back in a single basket now, and I don't think that's sensible for a company that wants to grow. Even if the IP in question is a successful and growing one like EVE, things change, and diversity is a hedge against the unexpected.
It would be nice to know WHY the project had to be shelved, though. Were the challenges technical, artistic, financial? And what can the community do to try and bring our vampires back from the dead? 8+yrs. of work and not a single beta released. And you have to ask why? What invester do you know would commit in those circumstances....
The fact that it spent eight years in development before being shelved is not its own explanation. The fact that A happened does not explain the reason WHY A happened.
My one consistent gripe with CCP is that they don't reach out to the community on projects like this, and don't keep us in the loop enough. Not because I personally find it frustrating, but because I find the rumour-mill and armchair expertise that results deeply, DEEPLY irritating.
People are going to form opinions about these projects anyway: they may as well be informed opinions rather than baseless ones, and when projects run into trouble, maybe the community will be able to come up with the answer that might save the day.
More transparency means more enthusiasm and more crowdsourced ideas. There's a balance to strike, obviously, but I suspect one contributing factor may have been that they were so focussed on bringing us a polished version of the initial concept: pride should have been swallowed, an announcement to the effect of "we've overextended ourselves here... here's our features list. Which are the top five you'd REALLY like to see make it into the first release?"
It's understandable, but I hope it's a lesson that can be learned - a community this big and fanatical is a breeding ground for ideas, and the more we're mined, the less things like this should happen. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
193
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:23:00 -
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Alim Omaristos wrote:Please replace CCP Falcon. Lying to people losing their jobs, and the community is not something someone in his position should be doing. I mean you're already laying people off may as well get some one who failed the basic parts of his job.
Yeah just find someone honest who deals with community professionally from CCP to replace him... . I'm pretty sure lying forms a main part of his job, don't blame CCP's poor handling of the community on one person, because that is just unfair.
So with WoD down, and Dust with not much longer to go we pin all our hopes on Valkyrie for most of our sub money not being thrown away for the last few years.
This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3546
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:25:00 -
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EVE is dying, DUST is dying....
I'll believe it when either one of them is actually dead. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
741
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:25:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Morphisat wrote:Lephia DeGrande wrote:Alim Omaristos wrote:Please replace CCP Falcon. Lying to people losing their jobs, and the community is not something someone in his position should be doing. I mean you're already laying people off may as well get some one who failed the basic parts of his job. Isn't that practically the real deal of an Community Manager? Ah was just about to post that, and you beat me to it ! Not really CCP Falcon's fault, he gets orders from the Man. Falcon does indeed get all his talking points on this issue from upper management. He is clearly a middleman on this particular topic. So why not have one of the c-suite guys in CCP actually answer these questions as opposed to Falcon emailing them and waiting for the official response that he then posts? because that's falcons job. also, hell be heading home soon id imagine so anything he cant say now, wouldn't change for at least 12 hours or so. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Lilliana Stelles
1218
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:26:00 -
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I'm going to second the suggestion of porting some of the carbon assets into EVE (mainly clothing). I know it won't all fit, but it'd be nice to see some formal items for avatar portraits. And it'd be a nice compromise and a way to recoup some losses (possibly). If they'd started any work on hunters or technocracy or any of the other high-tech cyberpunk factions of WoD, those assets could probably just be applied directly over into Eve. Not a forum alt.-á |
Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
193
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:27:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:EVE is dying, DUST is dying....
I'll believe it when either one of them is actually dead.
I don't think you'll be waiting long for Dust, Eve on the other hand.. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
104
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:27:00 -
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Well, I haven't posted much in the last couple of years but I felt a need to chime in my 2 cents regarding this information.
It's been my firm opinion that Eve as a game suffered over the last 2 to 3 years due to the fact that you absolutely insisted on forcing the Walking-Avatar system and thus "Walking in Stations" and its prototype components on Eve as a launch bed to test your tech in preparation for the WoD MMO and then Dust514. While it is true, you delivered a very pretty and high quality component to Eve which made our Avatars more self-insert, you outright derailed other paths of development in order to do so.
I understand that you made the decisions you made as a company with a greater plan in mind, but I hope you realize now the mistakes you made in the past and the fact people who urged you to reconsider your stances on these things might have had valid points.
Eve suffered for a large period of time- to the point where it changed my stance on CCP as a company from "I will support them with my money, unquestionably" to "Sorry, I'm done, I'm out", and it has now been a sacrifice for nothing with this news. Dust514 to the best of the knowledge I can gleam has been a complete non-event, and now WoD is canceled outright.
I'm sorry, CCP, but my faith in you continues to falter. Resident Haruhiist since December 2008.
Laying claim to Out of Pod Experience since 2007, plain and simple. Keep the trash out of Out Of Pod Experience, If it's EVE Related or deserves a Lock, it does not belong here. |
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Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
313
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:29:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:I'm going to second the suggestion of porting some of the carbon assets into EVE (mainly clothing). I know it won't all fit, but it'd be nice to see some formal items for avatar portraits. And it'd be a nice compromise and a way to recoup some losses (possibly). If they'd started any work on hunters or technocracy or any of the other high-tech cyberpunk factions of WoD, those assets could probably just be applied directly over into Eve. I am certain that Gentlemen's Agreement would be all over the tuxedos, tophats and traditional monocles. As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia |
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
313
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:30:00 -
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Bummer. WoD is an interesting world.
Hope those guys bounce back. Would have loved to see another CCP MMO. I still hate DUST, but I'll admit it's come a long way from beta. |
Anny Jackson
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:38:00 -
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Noxisia Arkana wrote:Bummer. WoD is an interesting world.
Hope those guys bounce back. Would have loved to see another CCP MMO. I still hate DUST, but I'll admit it's come a long way from beta.
It doesn't matter. You gotta find a few reasons to play DUST before PlanetSide 2. And it's a very hard task. I'd even say impossible. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
653
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:38:00 -
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Not good news hopefully now after years of bandages focus will shift to eve.
also buff dust or shut it down.meh shooter dont have place on market. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
193
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:39:00 -
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Anny Jackson wrote:Noxisia Arkana wrote:Bummer. WoD is an interesting world.
Hope those guys bounce back. Would have loved to see another CCP MMO. I still hate DUST, but I'll admit it's come a long way from beta. It doesn't matter. You gotta find a few reasons to play DUSt before PlanetSide 2. And it's a very hard task. I'd even say impossible.
LonginiusSpear wrote:How bad do you think that game was if they canned it and released DUST?
Something to think about. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
Thead Enco
47th Ronin
138
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:39:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:EVE is dying, DUST is dying....
I'll believe it when either one of them is actually dead.
Did you take a read Chribba's last artice in regards to new characters created in Dust? Pretty much says it all.
-á"A Lannister always pays his debts."
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
745
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:40:00 -
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Anny Jackson wrote:Noxisia Arkana wrote:Bummer. WoD is an interesting world.
Hope those guys bounce back. Would have loved to see another CCP MMO. I still hate DUST, but I'll admit it's come a long way from beta. It doesn't matter. You gotta find a few reasons to play DUSt before PlanetSide 2. And it's a very hard task. I'd even say impossible. not imposible, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealy hard though. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
691
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:45:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote:Is there a chance we can see how far WoD had come? I remember seeing a video from FF and the part showing WoD was cut. It'd be nice to see what CCP Atlanta had accomplished.
Is there the chance of a non MMO game coming out of this? I still play Bloodlines (on my non windows 7 PC as I cant get it to work for ****) and that game is years old.
arabella blood wrote:
1. Make Dust to PC - too late on that already, game practically dead.
When Diablo III can be turned around, Id say theres always hope lol
CCP Falcon wrote:We know the value in the IP and are going to be reviewing the status of it in the near future. There aren't any plans for it at present.
That's corporate speak for "its dead, Jim"
Anna Karhunen wrote:My condolences to all who lost their jobs. I hope they will find new jobs fast - and good ones too (in every aspect).
They could be hired by CiG. They seem to be hiring everyone else in development lol PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20736
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:46:00 -
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Thead Enco wrote:Stitcher wrote:EVE is dying, DUST is dying....
I'll believe it when either one of them is actually dead. Did you take a read Chribba's last artice in regards to new characters created in Dust? Pretty much says it all. Ooh. Link? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
691
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:49:00 -
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Mixu Paatelainen wrote:The teenagers who were into Twilight who were the intended cash cow when this started grew up and moved on.
Sucks for those who lost their jobs.
WoD and White Wolf in general predated Twilight you know. By a decade I think
Thought I might try an help
Also; less than surprising that they pulled the plug if anything that was in that newsletter was serious about what they were planning with that game, THEN they announced the permadeath plan lol
Sorry to the Atlanta guys but yeah, it was destined to die PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
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mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
632
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:52:00 -
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The procedural generation tech that Atlanta had was very advanced, I hope we see that used in the future.
I know it may be an unpopular opinion, but I hope we actually see talking in stations now that WoD is canceled. All of the tech for it is there, and exists in the Carbon framework. It would seem like CCP could keep a fraction of the WoD dev team on board and still have the resources to finally implement a complete version of WiS.
Of course I'm not talking about injecting a full character MMO into eve, just station halls, corp meeting rooms, bars, poker rooms perhaps... no actual gameplay, just the "coffee shop" element as CCP calls it. Eve could use that, and it would really boost new player retention, especially if some of the tutorial took place in character, where migrants from other cookie cutter WoW clones would feel more comfortable before jumping in to the thick of Eve itself. |
May O'Neez
Flying Blacksmiths
39
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:53:00 -
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Reduction of staff several years ago finally made it impossible ... sad, I was looking forward some announcement '15 since previous fanfest demo was very cool to look at. I just hope now that you will actually do something out of the remaining guys ... both for them and for the remainting games.
I know that you don't plan +á priori to include IP or assets from the dead (ah ah, play of words), but what about the tech ? Do you have Carbon-ish stuff that could be used at a later stage, like Character tech or render / interface improvements ? |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
691
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:54:00 -
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Not surprising either given that they were trying for a pay to win system and they wanted it to be permadeath. Paying to unlock **** on a character with real money that dies perminantly when it dies IS a good way to make money short term but I seriously doubt anyone would be doing that long term O.o
PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
Othran
Route One
698
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:56:00 -
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Not into WoD myself but the (limited) feedback I got on this announcement could be summarised as :
"Did anyone expect that after 8 years something would emerge from this mess?"
(For the non-WoD peeps that can be summarised as Buffy's so old - no offence intended to WoD players but you know what I mean in terms of timing).
Hope the people directly involved get sorted in new employment soon. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
693
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:01:00 -
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mechtech wrote: I know it may be an unpopular opinion, but I hope we actually see talking in stations now that WoD is canceled. All of the tech for it is there, and exists in the Carbon framework. It would seem like CCP could keep a fraction of the WoD dev team on board and still have the resources to finally implement a complete version of WiS.
Of course I'm not talking about injecting a full character MMO into eve, just station halls, corp meeting rooms, bars, poker rooms perhaps... no actual gameplay, just the "coffee shop" element as CCP calls it. Eve could use that, and it would really boost new player retention, especially if some of the tutorial took place in character, where migrants from other cookie cutter WoW clones would feel more comfortable before jumping in to the thick of Eve itself.
Given that the initial introduction of this IS what basically killed WoD, and cost CCP so much that they had to cut 20% of their corporation's personnel, Its not greatly surprising that theyve backed off their WiS ideas is it? PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
Thead Enco
47th Ronin
138
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Thead Enco wrote:Stitcher wrote:EVE is dying, DUST is dying....
I'll believe it when either one of them is actually dead. Did you take a read Chribba's last artice in regards to new characters created in Dust? Pretty much says it all. Ooh. Link? Here
I misspoke,, chribba didn't write the article but did provide an analysis to issue of recycling toons
-á"A Lannister always pays his debts."
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
693
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:05:00 -
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Thead Enco wrote:
I misspoke,, chribba didn't write the article but did provide an analysis to issue of recycling toons
Quote:Notice how DUST 514 has less than ten times the players online EVE has
So... 5 million or was that supposed to mean ten percent of EVE or 50,000?
Im assuming the second, not the first
Quote:With more than 5.5 Million created characters
Oh wow, the other way. Why are ppl thinking its dying if its got ten times the players as EVE? PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
Mixu Paatelainen
T1LL THE END
93
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:09:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote: WoD and White Wolf in general predated Twilight you know. By a decade I think
Sure, but the opinion the WoD MMO wasn't aimed fair and square at the enormous, but ephemeral, market for all things vampire doesn't impress me.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
693
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:10:00 -
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Mixu Paatelainen wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote: WoD and White Wolf in general predated Twilight you know. By a decade I think
Sure, but the opinion the WoD MMO wasn't aimed fair and square at the enormous, but ephemeral, market for all things vampire doesn't impress me.
Why would teenage girls and housefraus be interested in a MMO :p
Especially a non actual Twilight one
ESPECIALLY a MMO where their characters can perminantly die. PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20737
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Posted - 2014.04.14 18:16:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Quote:Notice how DUST 514 has less than ten times the players online EVE has So... 5 million or was that supposed to mean ten percent of EVE or 50,000? I think he meant to say ten time less fewer. Word order GÇö it's a treacherous and mysterious thing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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