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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:30:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:You can not invest long term projects on temporary fads. During the hey-day of Twilight and the such, such a game would have seemed do-able. But by the time you get around to releasing it, the fad is long over.
Space based Sci-fi however has been around since the 1940s and isnt going away.
My .02 isk
again...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_%28novel%29 written in 2005
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_%282008_film%29 filmed in 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire:_The_Masquerade Released in 1991.
Just because your favorite book/movie has to do with vampires doesnt mean that WoD does And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit. |
Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:33:00 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote:Reiisha wrote:- CCP Falcon did not want to go into rumors before the actual information has been personally discussed with the people affected by it. Would you want to find out you're being fired via Reddit or via the people you work for? It's a simple matter of courtesy which is blown way over proportion. Deliberately misrepresenting the facts, a.k.a. lying, is not courtesy. Go re-read one directly affected personGÇÖs comment from the reddit thread quoted above: she doesn't seem to have felt like it was either. No statement was called for. One was given nevertheless. This wasn't GÇÿgood managementGÇÖ, or GÇÿdamage controlGÇÖ, or GÇÿpublic relationsGÇÖ. It was just lying. Not impressed. Last time I take CCP FalconGÇÖs word, on its own, for anything.
Agreed. Having been laid off before, nothing is worse than the false hope of some corporate lackey. I feel sorry for those laid off, and even worse for those who saw CCP Falcon's comments on reddit and were hopeful they'd still have a job.
Either don't say anything, or give your (former) employees the truth about their situation. The fact that rumors even got out in the first place is testament to bad management around the layoff / closure. |
Doireen Kaundur
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:33:00 -
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I suspect we will see an influx of emo-vampire outerwear in the NEX now? A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:36:00 -
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Butzewutze wrote:Next on the list:
Dust 514
Personaly i give it not more than 12 months before it will sold / canceling development.
Yea, if WoD was cancelled because they couldn't deliver the experience they wanted their user base to have, you gotta think Dust514 is next on the list. |
Doireen Kaundur
689
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:37:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Just because your favorite book/movie has to do with vampires doesnt mean that WoD is based around your favorite book/movie
So just what was the theme of WOD? A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:37:00 -
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Too bad, I really liked the WoD universe. Although I must admit I had 'some' ( ) doubts if CCP could pull off making it into a decent game given the huge ammount of **** ups on various projects by CCP in recent years. |
Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE
232
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Posted - 2014.04.15 15:55:00 -
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A sad ending for a very ambitious project i was looking forward to.
I hope CCP salvages as much as possible from it to make Eve better. There are some very talented and Carbon-incorporated designers / programmers looking to work on a new project now. Make use of it. Would be sad to just scrap the whole effort made in the last years.
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Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
1095
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:14:00 -
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Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Too bad, I really liked the WoD universe. Although I must admit I had 'some' ( ) doubts if CCP could pull off making it into a decent game given the huge ammount of **** ups on various projects by CCP in recent years.
I figured it was doomed as soon as I heard that they were going back to square one because of Rust/DayZ. Nothing against those games--I've never played either--but if you chase every new shiny you will never ship anything, or maybe you'll push out some poorly-stitched-together Frankenstein monster of a game, only to watch it collapse under its own weight.
I guess I'm puzzled that WoD itself wasn't inspiration enough. But then, I haven't heard much good about the working environment in the Atlanta offices, so maybe nothing was ever going to happen. It's a shame, because a WoD MMO could be amazing, and CCP could pull it off. Their particular brand of mostly-hands-off dystopian sandbox is perfect for the game. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
699
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:16:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Just because your favorite book/movie has to do with vampires doesnt mean that WoD is based around your favorite book/movie
So just what was the theme of WOD?
So something that preceeds a movie by almost 20 years based on a theme is still based on that movie?
nice logic there And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit. |
Alphea Abbra
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
745
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:23:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Just because your favorite book/movie has to do with vampires doesnt mean that WoD is based around your favorite book/movie
So just what was the theme of WOD? Gothic-Punk Personal Horror, pyramid schemes, loss of humanity, tragic endings. But that is still not needed to tell you that you are utterly wrong in comparing cWoD or nWoD to Twilight. The two have nothing to do with each other. WoD is almost as old as I am, I have played it for more than half my life by now. Calling it a Twilight-induced fad is a non-sequiter and an insult to your own abilities to comprehend. If anyone thinks that WoD and Twilight would appeal to the same audience, they are deluded. Would WoD appeal to tweenage girls? No. WoD would appeal to a mature audience, in their twenties or older, who like the personal horror, the stories of humanity lost, the clash of young versus ancient, the paranoia and distrust, the building of what is yours ... The same groups to whom the original pen and paper games appealed to.
Would tweenage girls and other fans of Twilight sign up for WoD? Some might, most probably wouldn't. Like you get people in EVE who wants security to do undisturbed PvE, you'd get people who cannot fit into the WoD universe as well. Like EVE, however, it would probably be a self-rectifying process. WoD is a grander setting than EVE is right now.
I had very high hopes for a cWoD MMO. It was a part of what made me continue with EVE, to see what CCP Games could do with this game as a prelude to the real test of doing the cWoD universe justice. Would they have failed that task? Yes, just like White Wolf did.
So perhaps it was the least painful way, this highway paved with betrayals and in direction of Hell. |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
700
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Posted - 2014.04.15 16:37:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Just because your favorite book/movie has to do with vampires doesnt mean that WoD is based around your favorite book/movie
So just what was the theme of WOD? Gothic-Punk Personal Horror, pyramid schemes, loss of humanity, tragic endings.
AKA the complete OPPOSITE of everything that your favorite book/movie series was about
(not you alphea)
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Would tweenage girls and other fans of Twilight sign up for WoD? Some might, most probably wouldn't. Like you get people in EVE who wants security to do undisturbed PvE, you'd get people who cannot fit into the WoD universe as well. Like EVE, however, it would probably be a self-rectifying process.
Especially once they found out that you had to pay real money to increase your abilities and that your character can be permakilled.
Not saying this wouldnt appeal to girls at all, or tweenage types, or housefraus, actually, Id like to see what percentage of those WOULD like it. I bet it would be enlightening
(btw what the hell is a housefrau? Im gonna have to google that. I always see that word associated with soccer mom, Id assumed it was a synonym) And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit. |
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
102
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:11:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:You can not invest long term projects on temporary fads. During the hey-day of Twilight and the such, such a game would have seemed do-able. But by the time you get around to releasing it, the fad is long over.
Space based Sci-fi however has been around since the 1940s and isnt going away.
My .02 isk
Yeah, just like EVE was only do-able because it was released at the same time as the Star Wars new trilogy.
WoD through the One World by Night was arguably the first Massively Multiplayer RPG (Just not online), and V:tM Bloodlines is a frakkng legendary game.
As to vampire fiction, Bram Stoker sends his regards. |
Doc Teeth
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:28:00 -
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Best way to describe WoD to those devote EVE'natics is: WW - World of Darkness is everything you enjoy about EVE and more. And it predated EVE. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:41:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:Too bad, I really liked the WoD universe. Although I must admit I had 'some' ( ) doubts if CCP could pull off making it into a decent game given the huge ammount of **** ups on various projects by CCP in recent years. I figured it was doomed as soon as I heard that they were going back to square one because of Rust/DayZ. Nothing against those games--I've never played either--but if you chase every new shiny you will never ship anything, or maybe you'll push out some poorly-stitched-together Frankenstein monster of a game, only to watch it collapse under its own weight. I guess I'm puzzled that WoD itself wasn't inspiration enough. But then, I haven't heard much good about the working environment in the Atlanta offices, so maybe nothing was ever going to happen. It's a shame, because a WoD MMO could be amazing, and CCP could pull it off. Their particular brand of mostly-hands-off dystopian sandbox is perfect for the game.
Well, I didn't even take those finer points into consideration. Just looking at the fact that 9 out of 10 MMO's suck arse imho combined with the massive fail that were/are Incarna/noble exchange/DUST is enough for me not to have any high expectations. Hell, I barely had ANY expectations, just hope |
Marsha Mallow
219
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:41:00 -
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Really, I can't see anything to celebrate as a result of this news. It sounds like a positive for Eve players to know CCP are focusing on their core product, but we'll just have to wait and see. They'd have been in a far stronger position with a second successful MMO, however niche. I'll be more optimistic about CCP's health when they start expanding again at a sustainable rate, rather than these constant cuts. It really can't be healthy for the staff to work in an environment with the constant threat of redundancy.
I can't help but wonder like many others how much money has been spent on developing WoD which could have been spent on Eve. A miserly sentiment, I know, but from here it just looks like a huge waste of effort, time and money. It's clear WoD fans will be disappointed by the news considering how long the project has been running - looking at some of the comments they seem even more loyal than typical Eve players. Hopefully there will be some way to keep that world alive, even if it means selling the rights on.
CCP Falcon wrote: Feel free to call me out on this, but out of respect for those who have been let go in Atlanta, and their families, I wasn't prepared to let rumors build over the weekend before we could speak to people, and whoever was posting information was wholly irresponsible and completely wrong in doing so.
There's a time, a place, and a proper procedure for doing stuff like this.
Sympathies to all the staff and their families who lost their jobs. Inbetween banging on about Eve people need to keep sight of the fact there are real people affected. Whoever leaked the news on Reddit of all places before the people involved had been informed deserves a serious kicking. I hope if CCP isn't aware who was responsible they are considering an IA investigation. There's no point crucifying Falcon for trying to contain the situation out of genuine consideration for the people involved. Even if it wasn't a great idea to deny the rumour, letting it turn into a monster of speculation over the weekend would have caused an outcry too. Those involved need to cool off and deal with things in private, creating a drama in public won't make things any better. - |
Arduemont
The State of War.
3166
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:09:00 -
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So....
They closed one project and fired almost 60 people. Dust is making no money. Eve's active player numbers are almost the worst they have been in two years. Valkyrie could easily be more vapour-ware.
Rat. Sinking ship. Goodbye. Too bad really Eve and WoD both held to much promise. Do me a last favour and sell the intellectual property rights to someone competent enough to make another good World of Darkness based game. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf |
Varathius
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:27:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys, As some of you may already be aware from the press release on www.ccpgames.com, the World of Darkness MMO project has been cancelled, effective today, April 14, 2014. While this is a sad moment for those affected, this puts us in a far stronger position to devote more time and resources to the EVE Universe and our projects therein. You can read the full press release on our website here, and if you want to discuss it, please do so in this thread to keep discussion focused. We'll also be answering questions here as and when we can, so please feel free to ask if you have any queries. Thanks.
Great, now please also cancel valkyrie and focus your attention on the original eve online even more ! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
701
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:28:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:So....
They closed one project and fired almost 60 people. Dust is making no money. Eve's active player numbers are almost the worst they have been in two years. Valkyrie could easily be more vapour-ware.
Rat. Sinking ship. Goodbye. Too bad really Eve and WoD both held to much promise. Do me a last favour and sell the intellectual property rights to someone competent enough to make another good World of Darkness based game.
The cancellation of WoD, the firing of most (it not all) of White Wolf Atlanta (the second time theyve done that when in trouble mind you, Im almost to the point to think they bought them just to use to vent such damages), the public failings in their finances last year, the scattershot focus of the devs, and it all adds up to a scary picture
And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
443
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:30:00 -
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Maybe CCP can now use that extra money to "revamp" their collectable card game from years ago...
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Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
33
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:37:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Arduemont wrote:So....
They closed one project and fired almost 60 people. Dust is making no money. Eve's active player numbers are almost the worst they have been in two years. Valkyrie could easily be more vapour-ware.
Rat. Sinking ship. Goodbye. Too bad really Eve and WoD both held to much promise. Do me a last favour and sell the intellectual property rights to someone competent enough to make another good World of Darkness based game. The cancellation of WoD, the firing of most (it not all) of White Wolf Atlanta (the second time theyve done that when in trouble mind you, Im almost to the point to think they bought them just to use to vent such damages), the public failings in their finances last year, the scattershot focus of the devs, and it all adds up to a scary picture
Or it could just be the tech behind WoD wasn't up to much (Incarna), the game designers couldn't develop a game that was fun and playable, and ccp just went sod it we're flogging a dead horse here.
Dust is playable (and will potentially be fun in the future maybe), EVE is still up and running and imho going well, and Valkyrie will be good for the people that will want it (Headset people). Remember people have played Valkrie and loved it..only ccp have played WoD theres never been any demo seen.
Stop emoing like a Toreador and just accept cold hard facts like a Ventrue |
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Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
106
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:37:00 -
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Varathius wrote:
Great, now please also cancel valkyrie and focus your attention on the original eve online even more !
Yeah, CCP, quit trying to be innovative and diverse. We demand you to be a mediocre company destined to have only one game without any significant changes to it except tweaks and balancing on what we already have. Don't you dare trying to do something new and unexpected to our most conservative and sensitive faction of players. |
Cyndrogen
Black Watch Syndicate Vitoc Health Services
592
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:38:00 -
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Would you consider releasing the assets you have built so far as open source? |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
33
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:44:00 -
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Cyndrogen wrote:Would you consider releasing the assets you have built so far as open source?
If they are built on carbon they wouldn't be able to as its part of eve as well. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:46:00 -
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Themanfromdalmontee wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Arduemont wrote:So....
They closed one project and fired almost 60 people. Dust is making no money. Eve's active player numbers are almost the worst they have been in two years. Valkyrie could easily be more vapour-ware.
Rat. Sinking ship. Goodbye. Too bad really Eve and WoD both held to much promise. Do me a last favour and sell the intellectual property rights to someone competent enough to make another good World of Darkness based game. The cancellation of WoD, the firing of most (it not all) of White Wolf Atlanta (the second time theyve done that when in trouble mind you, Im almost to the point to think they bought them just to use to vent such damages), the public failings in their finances last year, the scattershot focus of the devs, and it all adds up to a scary picture Or it could just be the tech behind WoD wasn't up to much (Incarna), the game designers couldn't develop a game that was fun and playable, and ccp just went sod it we're flogging a dead horse here. Dust is playable (and will potentially be fun in the future maybe), EVE is still up and running and imho going well, and Valkyrie will be good for the people that will want it (Headset people). Remember people have played Valkrie and loved it..only ccp have played WoD theres never been any demo seen. Stop emoing like a Toreador and just accept cold hard facts like a Ventrue
ok, look at the financial statement from last year. Those hard enough facts for you?
Apollo Lyserius wrote:Varathius wrote:
Great, now please also cancel valkyrie and focus your attention on the original eve online even more !
Yeah, CCP, quit trying to be innovative and diverse. We demand you to be a mediocre company destined to have only one game without any significant changes to it except tweaks and balancing on what we already have. Don't you dare trying to do something new and unexpected to our most conservative and sensitive faction of players.
Yeah... no.
They can leave
Focus on the bird in the hand CCP And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit. |
Doc Teeth
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:47:00 -
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Hell just let the IP go instead of sitting on it like a Dog with a bone |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
33
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:56:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:[
ok, look at the financial statement from last year. Those hard enough facts for you?
You mean the ones where they wrote of Code? More than likely WoD.
I feel for you man, I really do. I'm an ex VtM player too, I would loved to have seen WoDMMO happen but thinking about it (as many have posted in lots of different areas and this thread) it would have been very hard to do.
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Doc Teeth
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2014.04.15 19:00:00 -
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Themanfromdalmontee wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:[
ok, look at the financial statement from last year. Those hard enough facts for you?
You mean the ones where they wrote off Code? More than likely WoD. I feel for you man, I really do. I'm an ex VtM player too, I would loved to have seen WoDMMO happen but thinking about it (as many have posted in lots of different areas and this thread) it would have been very hard to do.
100% agree with you and the others... but if anyone could have done it I thought CCP could. Oh well guess that was my fault |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
1096
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Posted - 2014.04.15 19:12:00 -
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I look forward to attempt #2, when CCP's new management and development processes are proven and second nature, they've retired the worst of the legacy code in their flagship, DUST is finally finished and launched, and the underlying tech has advanced to the point where it's possible to render gorgeous avatars without melting your customers' machines.
WoD is not Twilight. It's a dark, rich game that falls right into CCP's conceptual wheelhouse. They just have to get the execution right next time. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Ian Morbius
3
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Posted - 2014.04.15 19:23:00 -
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RIP World of Darkness. Eight years from concept to failure. Game development gone bad. It's the nature of the industry. In the end, just another death march.
Try try again. Out there someone is working on the next great game.
Ref: Death March (2nd Edition) by Edward Yourdon. Winning at New Products: Accelerating the Process from Idea to Launch, Third Edition by Robert G. Cooper. The Logic Of Failure: Recognizing And Avoiding Error In Complex Situations by Dietrich Dorner. List of commercial failures in video gaming
www.acronymfinder.com - For when companies allow engineers to create surveys for their customers.
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Doireen Kaundur
692
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Posted - 2014.04.15 19:42:00 -
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@CCP Falcon: you need a new hairdo. Mohawks are so 1980s. A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
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