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Teri Cox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.14 16:12:00 -
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The sisters of eve ships are actually not really useful( especially the stratios ant the nestor)
The Astero is a good PVP scout ship and nice to run nullsec exploration sites The stratios... This ship is hell overpriced and not usefull in any ways: It cant use 5 heavy drones, so Ishtar is better choice, it is very slow etc...
The nestor is just crap, since it got added to eve, i just saw one or two at the jita undock, but then not anymore
So, here are some balance suggestions:
Astero
Role Bonus: 100% reduction in CPU requiement for cloaks Role Bonus: 37.5% increase Scan Prob Strength (maybe this should be a rounder number? right now it follows the t1 bonus) Role Bonus: +10 Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers Role Bonus: 150% to small energy turret damage Can fit Cover Ops Cloaking devices
Amarr Frigate Bonus: 10% bonus to small energy turret optimal range
Gallente Frigate Bonus: 10% bonus to drone damage hitpoints
Slot layout: 3H(+1), 4M, 3L(-1); 2 turrets, 0 launchers Fittings: 36(+4) PWG, 200(+30) CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 960(+360) / 800(+200) / 800(+200) Capacitor (amount) : 430 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 435(+120) / 2.87 / 975000 / 3.88s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 50(-25) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 37km / 620 / 6 Sensor strength: 13 Signature radius: 50(+15) Cargo Capacity: 320(+110)
Stratios
Role Bonus: 150% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage(was optimal range bonus) Role Bonus: 37.5% increase Scan Prob Strength Role Bonus: +10 Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers
Can fit Cover Ops Cloaking devices
Amarr Cruiser Bonus: 10% to medium energy turret optimal range(was armor resist bonus)
Gallente Cruiser Bonus: 10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damage
Slot layout: 4H(-1), 6M(+1), 5L; 3 turrets(-1), 0 launchers Fittings: 920 PWG, 480(+80) CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 3500(+1550) / 3000(+600) / 3000(+550) Capacitor (amount) : 1920 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 254(+72) / .47 / 9350000 / 6.09s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125(+25) / 400 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 275 / 7 Sensor strength: 20 Signature radius: 195(+45) Cargo Capacity: 550
NESTOR
Amarr Battleship Bonuses: 10% to large energy turret optimal range(was armor resist bonus)
Gallente Battleship Bonuses: 10% drone damage and hitpoints per level
Role bonuses: 150% bonus to large energy turret damage(Was RR rangebonus) 37.5% bonus to drone optimal range and tracking of drones(was RR effectbonus) 50% increased strength for scan probes +10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers
Slot layout: 5H(-2), 8M(+2), 6L; 4(-1) turrets, 0 launchers Fittings: 14250(+3000) PWG, 700(+20) CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull): 13000(+4100) / 12000(+2050) / 12000(+2100) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 10000(+3800) / 1000(-44) / 10(?) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 144(+52) / .09 / 112000000(+56000000) / 13.97 Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 400(-100) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 115 / 7 Sensor strength: 24 Magnetometric Signature radius: 520(+55) Cargo Capacity: 800(+100)
So, you may have some questions:
Why make these ships to shieldtankers? Because the ships become huge damage dealers. To keep damage balanced, i decided to add mid slots instead of low power slots. Otherwhise you can fit lows full with DDas and heat sinks and reaching insane dps.
What else did i change:
- added the missing rolebonus to the astero - replaced the armor resist bonuses to energy turret optimal range bonus - replaced the RR bonuses on the Nestor to a dronedamage application bonus and removed the 2nd RR bonus, because this ship dont has enought cap to handle 2 RRs togheter with 5 lasers and some tank - reduced the dronebay of the nestor to 400(like evry other dronesship) and added 100 cargobay - massive speed and HP buffs the astero is almost as fast as an interceptor, the stratios has typically destroyer speed and the nestor is as fast as a BC. - increased the signatureradius to compensate the massive speed and hp buffs - added some fitting - the Nestor got just some other massive buffs
I hope, that i have solved the problems with these ships, because they are just massively overpriced and have just a low price/power ratio, even the new drone nexus chips didnt change anything.
That are just suggestions to make these ships more useful for their extreme high price.
Let me know, what you think. |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
6076
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Posted - 2014.04.14 16:29:00 -
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No.
Leave my Stratios alone please.
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Mr Doctor
Sex Machineguns Happy Cartel
118
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Posted - 2014.04.14 16:30:00 -
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So you want covert ships that can out DPS their non-cloaky T2 counterparts? Err.... no? |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2014.04.14 17:25:00 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:No.
Leave my Stratios alone please.
and mine. i love cloaky camping inside sites with a neuting stratios. others like to run dps machine stratios. It is a good ship and i own 2. one for ambush and one for more brawly dps stuff. Being able to use a blops bridge ain't nothing either. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Teri Cox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.24 09:03:00 -
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bump |
Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
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Posted - 2014.04.24 09:29:00 -
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Woah. 7,5 effective turrets and drone bonuses combined? On a ship that can use a covert cloak and can use covert jump bridges? Why not also allow the fitting of a doomsday, since we're already halfway there?
Sorry, the Stratios is clearly good enough as it is. Also the Stratios and Astero both are used often enough your OP is automatically invalid. But the Nestor is truly ****, I'll give you that. |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.04.24 10:55:00 -
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The Astero and the Stratios are fine as they are right now and they most certainly fit into the current pirate faction changes.
The Nestor may need another look at her identity but she is the most mobile battleship out there. signature |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1397
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Posted - 2014.04.24 10:59:00 -
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the stratios is a cloaky exploration ship, if ur trying to go toe to toe with assault frigs, ur doing it wrong.
how about using it what its for? Exploration. Which it is amazingly good at. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Gustav Mannfred
the bring back canflipping corp
101
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Posted - 2014.04.24 11:53:00 -
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Im not happy with all of the changes, because you are making these ships just massively OP.
But i am happy to give the stratios the aillity, to launch 5 heavy drones and to add a rolebonus to the astero.
But i am not happy to increase hp or just massively buff theyr mobility.
And the Nestor is not the most mobile baattleship, Machariel and Vindicator have a better mobility. i'm REALY miss the old stuff.-á
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=24183 |
Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
103
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Posted - 2014.04.24 13:54:00 -
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Astero is meh compared to a Covert Ops, it just doesn't compete in my eyes.
Stratios is fine how it is, although I would LOVE a CPU buff.
Nestor is a wierd mix of traits that makes it a better RR Domi but not worth the cost. -Bl+¦d
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2137
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Posted - 2014.04.24 13:57:00 -
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The Ishtar can use five heavies/sentries. The Ishtar cannot covops cloak. The Ishtar cannot use covops bridges.
The Stratios cannot use five heavies/sentries. The Stratios can covops cloak. The Stratios can use covops bridges. |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.04.24 15:17:00 -
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I don't think people understand that it's a trade off to use a covert ops cloak. No trolling please |
Wraith Lamented
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.10 11:33:00 -
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Well, I fly primarily missile boats.. and none of the SoE ships have missile slots or missile bonii... so i'm hoping they will introduce variants with missile-based weps
The Astero seems pretty ok to me...
I haven't flown the Stratios yet due to costs... but I tell you what: If they'd add one mid slot and add missile launchers, I'd be all over that
I do love that they have introduced some pretty cool ships in the last couple years.. the Gnosis and the SoE ships are great additions. Like I said.. I just wish they'd offer some missile variants .. or do like the Gnosis and have equal representation of the diff weps systems ...
just my two cents
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2176
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Posted - 2014.05.11 22:45:00 -
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It's "bonuses", you uneducated swine. "Bonii" isn't a word. Buy a dictionary if you don't believe me.
Anyway, there aren't going to be missile bonuses added to the SoE ships - that's what Guristas and especially Mordu's Legion are for. |
Dehval
Risk Breakers Fidelas Constans
45
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Posted - 2014.05.11 23:38:00 -
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Astero and Stratios are already extremely powerful ships for their given roles. They don't need changing at all.
Nestor is horrible though. And I do agree it needs changes, but it doesn't need to become a Dominix on steroids. Try again. |
The Sinister
Eve Minions
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Posted - 2014.05.11 23:38:00 -
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I do agree that the Astero should have 3 Hi slots.
I do agree that the Nestor is suposed to be able to use Covert Cloak.
But other than that my friend they are OK as they are now! |
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