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tiewan
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:16:00 -
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Every time someone complains about getting scammed, it is always implied that the victim got what they deserved because they were greedy.
This bothers me.
Greed is what makes eve work. It is what inspires people to build corporations and empires and conquer territory. Sure, sometimes this means going after easy targets. But that is part of the game.
Greed is a good trait to have and it should be encouraged.
Chastise people for not being quick enough to spot a scam.. But don't try to make them feel bad for being greedy. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4499
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:19:00 -
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You know who else thought greed was good?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
tiewan
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:21:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:You know who else thought greed was good?
Jerry Lewis? |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4499
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:25:00 -
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tiewan wrote:Doc Fury wrote:You know who else thought greed was good?
Jerry Lewis?
No, that was PercodanGäó
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
tiewan
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:26:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:tiewan wrote:Doc Fury wrote:You know who else thought greed was good?
Jerry Lewis? No, that was PercodanGäó
Oh.. right.. Antonio Banderas? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1120
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:30:00 -
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I don't think too many people complain about greed directly.
It's when someone loses something and then blame the perceived "villain" rather than taking responsibility for their loss. The whines that result from greed are the issue, not the greed itself.
It seems that being personally responsible for decisions and choices is not the in thing at the moment. . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
tiewan
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:37:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: It seems that being personally responsible for decisions and choices is not the in thing at the moment.
True. And there are not a lot things out there in life encouraging people to accept responsibility for their actions.
Anyway, I wouldn't say the majority of people complain about greed, it just always comes up and seems like the easy way to try and hit someone who has been scammed.
Though I suppose it is often hard to reason with someone who continues to whine and wont listen to what is being said.. |
Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:39:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:You know who else thought greed was good?
Gordon Gekko? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1120
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:50:00 -
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tiewan wrote:Anyway, I wouldn't say the majority of people complain about greed, it just always comes up and seems like the easy way to try and hit someone who has been scammed. I think we just use 'greed' as a catch all phrase, just the same as 'griefer' is a catch all phrase.
Not everyone who comes here whines because they had a loss bought about by greed. In many of the cases it seems they didn't know the mechanics, were naive about a scam, did something accidentally and were confused, etc.
There are lots of different reasons that people suffer loss and then feel angry about it. 'Greed' allows the rest of us to make a quick judgement and a short forum post that expresses the view that they should HTFU. It's also useful because it puts the responsibility back on the person that suffered the loss, which is exactly where it should lay when they do something stupid.
In a scam, both parties are being greedy if you boil it right down, but the one that comes and whines about it deserves the scorn they draw. . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Webvan
State Protectorate Caldari State
945
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:54:00 -
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power > greed |
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Solai
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:40:00 -
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"Such a waste of talent. He chose money over power - in this town, a mistake nearly everyone makes. Money is the Mc-mansion in Sarasota that starts falling apart after 10 years. Power is the old stone building that stands for centuries." -F.Underwood
Jolly Codgers corp - Bloodthirsty old men of Null-Sec. -á PVP and organizational excellence through maturity, for pilots age 30+. |
Space Juden
Supermassive Potato Pancake
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:42:00 -
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gb2bed hillmar |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:46:00 -
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tiewan wrote:Every time someone complains about getting scammed, it is always implied that the victim got what they deserved because they were greedy.
This bothers me.
Greed is what makes eve work. It is what inspires people to build corporations and empires and conquer territory. Sure, sometimes this means going after easy targets. But that is part of the game.
Greed is a good trait to have and it should be encouraged.
Chastise people for not being quick enough to spot a scam.. But don't try to make them feel bad for being greedy.
"Good Greed" attitude in game can easily translate into "Good Greed" attitude in real life, don't complain then if the Banks claim your house cos you're behind on repayments, throw you out onto the street, cos $300 Billion in yearly profits is not enuff for them :| Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4915
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:49:00 -
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tiewan wrote:Every time someone complains about getting scammed, it is always implied that the victim got what they deserved because they were greedy.
This bothers me.
This is how scams work. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3441
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:58:00 -
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tiewan wrote:Doc Fury wrote:You know who else thought greed was good?
Jerry Lewis? Gordon Gekko |
tiewan
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:48:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:
"Good Greed" attitude in game can easily translate into "Good Greed" attitude in real life, don't complain then if the Banks claim your house cos you're behind on repayments, throw you out onto the street, cos $300 Billion in yearly profits is not enuff for them :|
Real life and this game are very different things. You could also say that suicide ganking people in eve could easily translate to real life and don't complain when you find out you have no clones after the cops kill you for bombing a shopping center.
I am not saying that real life greed is good. I am saying it is good within the confines of the eve universe.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3975
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:50:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:You know who else thought greed was good?
Where did I read about that last....
Oh... Right... |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.04.15 03:53:00 -
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Okay, Gordon Gecko...greed is good...you've rewritten tens of thousands of years of human history with one stroke. How in the hell could we have gotten it all SO wrong for SO long? Where have you and your genius been all these centuries? Step aside Ghandi. Move over Newton. Back of the class Einstein. Here's ... say, what was your name again?
Word to the wise: One day, read more than just the backs of cereal boxes. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Freakdevil
Aliastra Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2014.04.15 05:02:00 -
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Greed can make you fall for the scam = loss
Greed can make you post that scam = gain
Working as intended. I fail to see the problem or concern the OP is making. Funny things discussed in GD.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9378
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Posted - 2014.04.15 05:34:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:You know who else thought greed was good?
Edsger Dijkstra? "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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das licht
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.15 06:26:00 -
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Greed is bad and will always remain as such. Not only in the game. |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
224
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Posted - 2014.04.15 06:28:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:You know who else thought greed was good?
and yet you still play?
Don't go pointing fingers until you think about what you're pointing out. You and I are exploitable resources - just like moons and fw lp. The difference comes from executing the tactic well which hilmar did not. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
390
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Posted - 2014.04.15 06:34:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Doc Fury wrote:You know who else thought greed was good?
Edsger Dijkstra?
Goto ISK considered harmful.
To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1239
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Posted - 2014.04.15 07:46:00 -
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Saying "got what he deserves" is actually quite fitting. When a player decides to take more risks in order to have better gains, he does indeed deserve a more engaging outcome of his activities. That can be a negative or a positive outcome, but that he deserves it is sort of a given. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5887
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Posted - 2014.04.15 12:24:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:I don't think too many people complain about greed directly.
It's when someone loses something and then blames the perceived "villain" rather than taking responsibility for their loss. The whines that result from greed are the issue, not the greed itself.
It seems that being personally responsible for decisions and choices is not the in thing at the moment.
/thread
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Doireen Kaundur
686
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Posted - 2014.04.15 12:36:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:Doc Fury wrote:You know who else thought greed was good?
Gordon Gekko?
Isnt he Liberace? A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
289
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Posted - 2014.04.15 12:44:00 -
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It's kind of weird that even the players old enough do not remember the Greed is Good Newsletter.
Otoh, they might be joking. Or it's just not that important.
But I'll tell you what.
The Incarna "expansion" had my name as codename. It launched on my birthday. The summer solstice.
It gave me the Jita riots as birthday present.
An uprising.
Everything I always stood for, all of my life, was combined on this very day. (except for all the killing, suffering, death and stuff)
Thousands of people uniting themselves in protest against the common enemy.
The authority.
CCP.
Crowd Control Productions.
It was a celebration that lasted for days.
It was the best expansion ever! |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1056
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Posted - 2014.04.15 13:05:00 -
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tiewan wrote:Every time someone complains about getting scammed, it is always implied that the victim got what they deserved because they were greedy.
Greed is good.
As long as it's not exceeding intelligence or even common sense.
People who suffer from the latter are most often called "marks".
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3024
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Posted - 2014.04.15 14:31:00 -
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Some deep thoughts on greed:
Greed is all right, by the way. I want you to know that. I think greed is healthy. You can be greedy and still feel good about yourself. -Ivan Boesky to Berkeley business school graduating class. Not long later he went to prison for insider securities trading.
It is not that humans have become any more greedy than in generations past. It is that the avenues to express greed had grown so enormously. -Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve
Trishna [thirst, craving, desire, greed] is the cause of stress or suffering. -The Second Noble Truth in the Buddha's teachings "Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006) |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
561
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:30:00 -
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tiewan wrote:Every time someone complains about getting scammed, it is always implied that the victim got what they deserved because they were greedy.
This bothers me.
Greed is what makes eve work. It is what inspires people to build corporations and empires and conquer territory. Sure, sometimes this means going after easy targets. But that is part of the game.
Greed is a good trait to have and it should be encouraged.
Chastise people for not being quick enough to spot a scam.. But don't try to make them feel bad for being greedy. Greed is not a good description of what happens in eve. I rather call it "aggressive adherence to the principles of self interest". The left in the world would have you believe that this equals greed; it does not. If you don't look out for yourself no one else is going to. The "collective" certainly can't do as good a job at it as you yourself can. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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