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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.15 12:52:00 -
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Annie
What's the point in changing the character's racial identity ??
What is this pasty-faced ghoulish Vampire that is Cameron Diaz doing histrionics that are worthy of an insane asylum ??
When did Annie ever take acid and visualize crazy images out her window ??
Why is there a chorus backing her up during the showstopping solo number "Tomorrow" ??
....and the lesson of it takes money to be happy (but that was part of the original story anyway, so...) ??
Ugh.
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.15 14:21:00 -
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Looks pretty bad, but then I was never a fan of Annie in the first place.
No doubt this movie is going to spark some heated race arguments, I'm sure the creators of this movie didn't have that in mind when choosing the lead. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.15 17:21:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Looks pretty bad, but then I was never a fan of Annie in the first place.
No doubt this movie is going to spark some heated race arguments, I'm sure the creators of this movie didn't have that in mind when choosing the lead.
Yeah. And this is the 2nd "weird" film version of "Annie". It is still unfathomable to me why in 1982 they handed over the reigns for the film of a Broadway Musical to Robert Altman ("Nashville", "MASH"), who specializes in serious dialogue, extended takes, improvised dialogue, and simultaneous characters talking at once.
It was weird to me at the time, and I had only seen one of his films. But the film of "Annie" turned out to be a lifeless and bizarre snoozer.
And seriously, in this new one, I can't believe there is a backing chorus for the song "Tomorrow", as it was famous on Broadway for being a solo performance show-stopper.
This time, instead of lifeless and bizarre, we get hyper-kinetic and bizarre.......and a racial change.
What's next, and all White version of "A Raisin in the Sun" ???? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.15 18:59:00 -
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why on earth are Hollywood doing a remake of annie ! have they completely run out of ideas ? |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2014.04.15 19:55:00 -
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jason hill wrote:why on earth are Hollywood doing a remake of annie ! have they completely run out of ideas ? They did that years ago, 90% of their output is now remakes, sequels and DMCA takedown requests.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:58:00 -
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jason hill wrote:why on earth are Hollywood doing a remake of annie ! have they completely run out of ideas ?
Apparently. A re-do of "The Man From UNCLE" is due later this year.
I used to like superhero comic movies, but there is seemingly one opening every single week now anymore. Leaves me no enthusiasm for the Man of Steel/Batman thing coming. That was so 1987 Frank Millar, it's a moot point by now. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Sibyyl
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Posted - 2014.04.16 14:17:00 -
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WARNING: Please don't read my post if you don't want spoilers on American Psycho.
This is an interesting article. I know of only one other person IRL, besides myself, who's made it through the book. I thought the film departed from the book in a few ways.
The ending devalues Bateman's experiences and instead makes it seem like he was just hallucinating the terrible things he did. The book instead made it clear that Bateman's actions were very real, but they were meaningless because society just didn't care. There was no exit for him, no catharsis, no transformation because he'd be locked doing things that are invisible and inconsequential to anyone else.
The actresses in the film were neutered in sexuality (Reese Witherspoon, Chloe Sevigny, Samantha Mathis). They are wonderful actresses of course, but they really don't convey the sense in which their characters existed in the book.. as sexual objects who fit in with society's view of what a person like Bateman would be involved with (a girlfriend, a secretary, an affair). I think this happened because maybe this would have been a distraction, but it also neuters Bateman as a character. I think the book was trying to show how these relationships are twisted and superficial, but at the same time totally acceptable (and expected) by society.
I thought the film wasn't bad though. Christian Bale is perfect as Bateman and in my opinion his best role to date.
I do wish some scenes from the book were in the film, such as Bateman going to the U2 concert, or running into Tom Cruise in the elevator, or his monologue on Whitney Houston.
/Fÿ¡ Now that you are *campers* you will have more *parties* and no more *sad* *lonely* *bubbles*. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:47:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:WARNING: Please don't read my post if you don't want spoilers on American Psycho. This is an interesting article. I know of only one other person IRL, besides myself, who's made it through the book. I thought the film departed from the book in a few ways. The ending devalues Bateman's experiences and instead makes it seem like he was just hallucinating the terrible things he did. The book instead made it clear that Bateman's actions were very real, but they were meaningless because society just didn't care. There was no exit for him, no catharsis, no transformation because he'd be locked doing things that are invisible and inconsequential to anyone else. The actresses in the film were neutered in sexuality (Reese Witherspoon, Chloe Sevigny, Samantha Mathis). They are wonderful actresses of course, but they really don't convey the sense in which their characters existed in the book.. as sexual objects who fit in with society's view of what a person like Bateman would be involved with (a girlfriend, a secretary, an affair). I think this happened because maybe this would have been a distraction, but it also neuters Bateman as a character. I think the book was trying to show how these relationships are twisted and superficial, but at the same time totally acceptable (and expected) by society. I thought the film wasn't bad though. Christian Bale is perfect as Bateman and in my opinion his best role to date. I do wish some scenes from the book were in the film, such as Bateman going to the U2 concert, or running into Tom Cruise in the elevator, or his monologue on Whitney Houston. /Fÿ¡
Some of this is addressed in today's article: American Psycho: materialism, misogyny, and machismo
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Angelique Duchemin
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.16 17:14:00 -
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You're one of the last people I'd expect to be upset about the Annie not being white.
Reminds me of the whole Thor thing
The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:22:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:You're one of the last people I'd expect to be upset about the Annie not being white. Reminds me of the whole Thor thingAs to the question of why they changed Annies ethnicity. They didn't Annie is fictional. She never had an ethnicity.
Original cartoons depicted her as quite white and with red hair. She ain't from the South Pacific.
But she is from a really strange race whose eyes have no pupils.
They should digitally blank out the cast's eyes from this "film" so they can resemble zombies more and get a higher financial take. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
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Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:26:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:
As to the question of why they changed Annies ethnicity.
They didn't
Annie is fictional. She never had an ethnicity.
You are kidding me right? Not that there were not successful and rich black people in the States in the time period in which Annie takes place, but I seriously doubt the black population in that position would handle or portray themselves in the light that the population the story mimics did.
How about a movie like ROOTS or the Color Purple be remade using white people as slaves, I mean white people have been enslaved and the movies were fictional, therefore a remake using white actors would make sense right? |
Angelique Duchemin
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:49:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:
As to the question of why they changed Annies ethnicity.
They didn't
Annie is fictional. She never had an ethnicity.
You are kidding me right? Not that there were not successful and rich black people in the States in the time period in which Annie takes place, but I seriously doubt the black population in that position would handle or portray themselves in the light that the population the story mimics did. How about a movie like ROOTS or the Color Purple be remade using white people as slaves, I mean white people have been enslaved and the movies were fictional, therefore a remake using white actors would make sense right?
When it comes to historical depictions then the race is relevant.
If you make a movie about Martin Luther King and then have a white actor play the title character then that would be inappropriate but when dealing with fictional characters then the ethnicity is up to the owner of the work.
This is also combined with the reality of how many few black roles there are in movies in the first place
Black Heimdall, Nick Fury and Annie all pale in comparison to how many ethnic roles are changed for white actors.
How many people complained that the Protagonist of the hunger games was changed to a white actress? Where was that thread?
The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:54:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote: How about a movie like ROOTS or the Color Purple be remade using white people as slaves, I mean white people have been enslaved and the movies were fictional, therefore a remake using white actors would make sense right?
God only knows they tried in the earlier days. Watching the old TV shows on our "Old TV Show Netowrk"......good grief, white folks played everything from African-Americans, to American Indians, and the Asian.
I never knew American Indians were so hairy and blue-eyed. On top of it all, it's obvious, and stupid looking.
...and an otherwise fine film like "Breakfast at Tiffanys" can be utterly ruined and be embarrassing now (Mickey Rooney in yellow-face). "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:57:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:
How many people complained that the Protagonist of the hunger games was changed to a white actress? Where was that thread?
Partly to do with the fact that few adults are into Young Adult Fiction, and those works are also not old enough to be iconic yet. It's identity is not so steeped in people's minds. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:59:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:
...but when dealing with fictional characters then the ethnicity is up to the owner of the work.
Apparently it's not.
Too bad the creator of "Annie" as a comic is long, long dead and cannot comment. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
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Posted - 2014.04.17 14:08:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:
As to the question of why they changed Annies ethnicity.
They didn't
Annie is fictional. She never had an ethnicity.
You are kidding me right? Not that there were not successful and rich black people in the States in the time period in which Annie takes place, but I seriously doubt the black population in that position would handle or portray themselves in the light that the population the story mimics did. How about a movie like ROOTS or the Color Purple be remade using white people as slaves, I mean white people have been enslaved and the movies were fictional, therefore a remake using white actors would make sense right? When it comes to historical depictions then the race is relevant. If you make a movie about Martin Luther King and then have a white actor play the title character then that would be inappropriate but when dealing with fictional characters then the ethnicity is up to the owner of the work. This is also combined with the reality of how many few black roles there are in movies in the first place Black Heimdall, Nick Fury and Annie all pale in comparison to how many ethnic roles are changed for white actors. How many people complained that the Protagonist of the hunger games was changed to a white actress? Where was that thread?
The story depicts rich white America is all its "ethnocentric glory". Changing the ethnicity is disingenuous, they would have been better served to write up a whole new story, but that would take.......work. If threads for the movies you mention had been brought up I would have posted a similar post.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.17 15:48:00 -
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Part 3 (final): The reality of American Psycho isnGÇÖt as compelling as the conversation "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.17 16:35:00 -
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Next in line:
'Mrs. Doubtfire' sequel in the works
Ugh. 20 years late. Everyone involved is too old now. Really.
It was an entertaining, but one joke movie. Now, there is no novelty left in the concept, and a retread is a moot, boring point.
Just a money grab (probably by Robin Williams) who can't even lead a TV series that works anymore. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Angelique Duchemin
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.17 21:44:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:
...but when dealing with fictional characters then the ethnicity is up to the owner of the work.
Apparently it's not. Too bad the creator of "Annie" as a comic is long, long dead and cannot comment.
I purposely said "owner" and not "creator" because who created the work is irrelevant if the rights to it have been transferred.
The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity. |
Ila Dace
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:14:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:
...but when dealing with fictional characters then the ethnicity is up to the owner of the work.
Apparently it's not. Too bad the creator of "Annie" as a comic is long, long dead and cannot comment. I purposely said "owner" and not "creator" because who created the work is irrelevant if the rights to it have been transferred. So it was fine to whitewash Earthsea by that reasoning.
You also made a point about historical fiction. Unless this is one of those stupid modernizations, Annie took place during the Great Depression, and those New York orphanages would have been full of abandoned white children.
... Oh... It's one of those stupid modernizations. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.18 13:28:00 -
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Ila Dace wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote: I purposely said "owner" and not "creator" because who created the work is irrelevant if the rights to it have been transferred.
So it was fine to whitewash Earthsea by that reasoning. You also made a point about historical fiction. Unless this is one of those stupid modernizations, Annie took place during the Great Depression, and those New York orphanages would have been full of abandoned white children. ... Oh... It's one of those stupid modernizations.
Exactly. It's a Depression Era story and concept through and through.
Instead of thinking up a new story concept, they just buy the rights to "Annie" and make whatever modernized changes they want since they "own the work".
It's lazy screenwriting. Just keep re-adapting old successful concepts until they al become just uninteresting mud.
Meanwhile, someone like Richard Linklater takes the time to film his actors over the span of 12 years to show the changes a boy goes through as he matures. Boyhood "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.18 15:20:00 -
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This one is going to actually hurt:
DreamWorks Is Developing GÇÿHot StuffGÇÖ
Good grief, even I can barely remember this little guy from when I was about 5. Harvey Comics.
This is material aimed at 3 year olds. If.
I'm just not seeing the demand. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2014.04.18 22:42:00 -
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All the while the documentary about the best movie never made is ignored by main stream media
Jodorowsky's Dune |
Graygor
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Posted - 2014.04.19 01:45:00 -
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My take on it.
A billionaire walking around without bodyguards? In New York? When he is clearly a public face?
Bwhahahahahhahahahahahahaha.
Yeah like that'd ever happen. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.19 12:59:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:
EDIT: This movie sooooo needs to be crowdfunded. For ******* real!
It's already out there and making the rounds.
It's a great documentary, but Jodorowsky's version of Dune would have been a disaster. (Harkonnen's throne room decorated with burning giraffes..........). And he even says he was going to ignore most of the story. It would have been something trippy to watch, but would not resemble the book at all.
I dare anyone here to even attempt making it through any one of his other films. I certainly tried, and could not. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2014.04.19 19:35:00 -
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While I can say that Christian Bale is an excellent actor, and his take on Bateman was unique and fascinating, it really was a departure from the way the character is written by the author. Also, the director kind of made his character dry and somewhat unpalatable. I like most of Christian Bale's characters but even playing a protagonist in this one, I actually felt dislike for his character both in wanting him to die and in wanting the movie to spend more focus on other characters instead, such as his nemesis--even though you can't really attribute the good acting to the director, Christopher Harron, you still have to admit that the fink with the smile and the stare really stole the show. I know he's da foe, but sometimes the audience can really relate to an antagonist, ya know?
Anyways, I understand why the creator, Bill Finger Ellis, felt that the movies didn't do justice to Batman. Christian Bale is a great actor, but he's not the right sort of character for the role. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.19 19:44:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:...even though you can't really attribute the good acting to the director, Christopher Harron...
I did not know the director Mary Harron had an "operation". "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2014.04.19 19:46:00 -
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Did you read the whole post?
Do try to take it in jest. I worked hard on that bit. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2014.04.19 19:49:00 -
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But still, 'The Dark Psycho' is one of Christian Bale's best movies. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
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Posted - 2014.04.19 20:09:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:
EDIT: This movie sooooo needs to be crowdfunded. For ******* real!
I'm glad this documentary, and all the visual materials, are out there and finally getting notice. Before this, the only evidence for this production has been the old issues of Starlog Magazine from like 1978. It's a great documentary, but Jodorowsky's version of Dune would have been a disaster. (Harkonnen's throne room decorated with burning giraffes..........). And he even says he was going to ignore most of the story. It would have been something trippy to watch, but would not resemble the book at all. I dare anyone here to even attempt making it through any one of his other films. I certainly tried, and could not. I mean....giving a "Dune" production's reigns over to a director primarily interested in surrealism ? Who would ever do that ? Oh, wait....... ed: Jodorowsky delivers what I call incomprehensible random surrealism. David Lynch at least keeps the strangeness more incorporated within an actual story.
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