Pages: [1] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
225
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 04:14:00 -
[1] - Quote
Long story short:
Quote:You cannot fit this module xxxx because it requires 1 powergrid and you have only 0.96 powergrid available.
I have WU5, AWU5.
This is just ridiculous. Fittings should round up to the nearest whole integer. The necessity to swap out a bunch of **** for 0.04 powergrid is banal.
That is all. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
14
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 04:31:00 -
[2] - Quote
A 1%+ implant? Or if it has shield extenders Shield Upgrades V? |
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
206
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 06:36:00 -
[3] - Quote
I don't know what to suggest from only a vague rant. I use hardwiring to fit things sometimes. Otherwise using named modules are just as good as some others, depending on the module. Among other things, rigs or skills, faction equipment, I usually find options to work with. I usually have more issues with CPU, myself, even with all my skills shiny for it. GÇö+¬GÇö |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
225
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 08:36:00 -
[4] - Quote
I think the problem lies with modules and skills that interact through percentile reductions of powergrid. On my fitting screen it shows 1pg as being available yet it won't allow it due to 0.04pg being required. If my fittimg screen is prepared to round up 4% of a single whole number wjy can't the game? and why are these skills interactions leading to this scenario in the first place? Passive shield hardeners that take up 0.75pg? what kind of real saving is 0.25pg? I'm not going to be fitting 4 of these things so the net saving of their 0.25 reductions won't even be felt. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Gregor Parud
433
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 09:32:00 -
[5] - Quote
People who are capable of using reasoned logic might conclude that CCP purposely limited fittings on very obvious or OP fits, forcing you to either make fitting choices or use hardwiring (and sometimes not even that helps).
Quote:Fittings should round up to the nearest whole integer is the same as a 5 yearold going "waah I want my cookie", because rounding down makes more sense. |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
225
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 09:41:00 -
[6] - Quote
Make it round down then - I don't care, just don't tell me i have 1pg available when I actually don't. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Camper101
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
964
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 11:05:00 -
[7] - Quote
What if i told you... that this is working as intended?
Maaaybe you are not supposed to fit it this way - I can't count how many ridiculously overpowered fits dont work bc of like 1 unit of PG or CPU.
Edit: Yea, the display of 1 PG Remaining but you actually have .75 or something sucks a bit, but hey, EFT does show the numbers correctly. And you are not fitting your ships in EvE first, are you? :P 2013.03.01 13:30:58 notify For participating in the General Discussion Forum Section your trustworthiness has been adjusted by -2.5000.
My name is Hans. The "L" stands for danger. |
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
15
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 15:04:00 -
[8] - Quote
Camper101 wrote:And you are not fitting your ships in EvE first, are you? :P
Gasp!
OP, you ask what kind of savings 0.25 on the shield hardeners are, but as you are 0.04 short, I would say saving 0.25 to be quite significant. |
Lachra
Union of Labor
66
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 16:46:00 -
[9] - Quote
This is where the skill of fitting comes into play, not just in-game skills, but your ability to re-think and balance your modules. Some suggestions: look at meta modules, look at implants, look at your skills. The numbers work as intended. If all aforementioned considerations still do not let you fit all the modules you want, then this is what investing in officer / faction modules is for. |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
227
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 19:51:00 -
[10] - Quote
The investment of deliberately gimping some ships on fittings so that they're arbitrarily forced to equip fitting modules when most of the other ships in its same weight catagory do not? Let alone mentioning things like Heavy Missile Launchers which now need to be rebalanced alongside RLML still being bad. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
|
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
227
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 20:14:00 -
[11] - Quote
As an example for you:
[Thorax, Thorax blasters]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Warp Scrambler II Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Caldari Navy Vespa x5
Maxes out at 99% cpu, 99% pg, has zero empty slots, zero empty rigs.
now this
[Caracal, Caracal fit]
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II [Empty Low slot] [Empty Low slot]
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
[Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot]
92% cpu, 99.97% pg. 0.2 pg remaining.
0.2 pg remaining. Only 2 modules consume PG on this fit and they are the meta MWD and the t2 extender.
modified to suit a bit better you get [Caracal, Caracal fit]
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
only 20k ehp. 340dps. 98.54% pg, 89.95% cpu.
So not only is the caracal weaker and does less damage, it can't fit t2 buffer because it uses too much grid. The only thing which makes this caracal work compared to that thorax is the 500m/s faster it goes, but if you get scrammed you're mincemeat.
Compare to this now
[Thorax, Thorax rails]
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Warp Disruptor II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I F-12 Nonlinear Tracking Processor, Optimal Range Script F-12 Nonlinear Tracking Processor, Optimal Range Script
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
20m/s faster than that caracal, only marginally less align time, significantly better at kiting and would easily beat the caracal in a fight no matter who was kiting who as the thorax fights better in point range. Not forgetting how the thorax gets 5x as many drones. The caracal applies less damage than the thorax. While the caracal has an EHP advantage it will die to that thorax thanks to less applied damage, being slower and having 30s less capacitor life.
And all because a t2 LSE maxes out your pg. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
16
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 20:15:00 -
[12] - Quote
Caleb Seremshur wrote:The investment of deliberately gimping some ships on fittings so that they're arbitrarily forced to equip fitting modules when most of the other ships in its same weight catagory do not? Let alone mentioning things like Heavy Missile Launchers which now need to be rebalanced alongside RLML still being bad.
Being that you are being very vague and giving us NOTHING to actually compare, in your opening post you even 'xxxx' the module name you are trying to fit. What ships are you comparing? What is your fit that you can't get to work? |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
227
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 20:17:00 -
[13] - Quote
Aerie Evingod wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:The investment of deliberately gimping some ships on fittings so that they're arbitrarily forced to equip fitting modules when most of the other ships in its same weight catagory do not? Let alone mentioning things like Heavy Missile Launchers which now need to be rebalanced alongside RLML still being bad. Being that you are being very vague and giving us NOTHING to actually compare, in your opening post you even 'xxxx' the module name you are trying to fit. What ships are you comparing? What is your fit that you can't get to work? Edit, your reply beat my post.
This particular fit was the humble buzzard, unable to fill its slots due to meager fitting. Seems weird that I need fitting mods just to equip basic modules for its role?
This is not a XLASB cerberus we're fitting here, it's a buzzard that needs an auxiliary power core just to fit a single weapon and fill its mids with 1pg each modules. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
16
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 20:20:00 -
[14] - Quote
Switch the caracal to a M4 extender and you will open up lots of fitting. Kinda like the M4 plate you have on the thorax. |
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
16
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 20:22:00 -
[15] - Quote
Caleb Seremshur wrote:Aerie Evingod wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:The investment of deliberately gimping some ships on fittings so that they're arbitrarily forced to equip fitting modules when most of the other ships in its same weight catagory do not? Let alone mentioning things like Heavy Missile Launchers which now need to be rebalanced alongside RLML still being bad. Being that you are being very vague and giving us NOTHING to actually compare, in your opening post you even 'xxxx' the module name you are trying to fit. What ships are you comparing? What is your fit that you can't get to work? Edit, your reply beat my post. This particular fit was the humble buzzard, unable to fill its slots due to meager fitting. Seems weird that I need fitting mods just to equip basic modules for its role? This is not a XLASB cerberus we're fitting here, it's a buzzard that needs an auxiliary power core just to fit a single weapon and fill its mids with 1pg each modules.
The scanning covops drugs are tough to fit, my cheetah struggles, but why are you putting a gun on your buzzard? |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
228
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 20:26:00 -
[16] - Quote
Because idiots flying around in helios and other buzzards doing my data/relic sites deserve to be squished, 23dps at a time. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
52
|
Posted - 2014.04.16 21:05:00 -
[17] - Quote
Surprisingly, a brawling blaster Thorax has a thicker buffer and more raw DPS than a nano fit Caracal! Therefore the Caracal is shamefully underpowered as all fights start with the combatants at zero km and therefore the ability to apply damage without touching models with the enemy is irrelevant. Also the Caracal is forced to make unduly harsh fitting compromises like potentially downgrading a shield extender to Meta 4, which is vastly inferior to the Meta 4 plate equipped by the Thorax in direct comparison.
Also combatants never move and nobody flies Frigates or Interceptors so tracking is irrelevant. |
Valleria Darkmoon
Convicts and Savages Shadow Cartel
226
|
Posted - 2014.04.17 06:32:00 -
[18] - Quote
Voyager Arran wrote:Surprisingly, a brawling blaster Thorax has a thicker buffer and more raw DPS than a nano fit Caracal! Therefore the Caracal is shamefully underpowered as all fights start with the combatants at zero km and therefore the ability to apply damage without touching models with the enemy is irrelevant. Also the Caracal is forced to make unduly harsh fitting compromises like potentially downgrading a shield extender to Meta 4, which is vastly inferior to the Meta 4 plate equipped by the Thorax in direct comparison.
Also combatants never move and nobody flies Frigates or Interceptors so tracking is irrelevant. The truth is strong with this one. |
Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
102
|
Posted - 2014.04.17 06:50:00 -
[19] - Quote
Caleb Seremshur wrote:Long story short: Quote:You cannot fit this module xxxx because it requires 1 powergrid and you have only 0.96 powergrid available. I have WU5, AWU5. This is just ridiculous. Fittings should round up to the nearest whole integer. The necessity to swap out a bunch of **** for 0.04 powergrid is banal. That is all.
1% PG implant you publord. |
Cara Forelli
End-of-Line Sky Syndicate
327
|
Posted - 2014.04.17 15:34:00 -
[20] - Quote
Caleb Seremshur wrote:Because idiots flying around in helios and other buzzards doing my data/relic sites deserve to be squished, 23dps at a time.
So this whole rant because you can't use a ship for something it's not designed for?
How about a nice rocket manticore... www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
New player with questions? Like to answer questions? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli |
|
Gregor Parud
460
|
Posted - 2014.04.17 17:45:00 -
[21] - Quote
Looking at your fitting examples my initial reaction turned out to be correct; you're an idiot. |
kyrv
hirr RAZOR Alliance
11
|
Posted - 2014.04.26 14:20:00 -
[22] - Quote
Caleb Seremshur wrote:Make it round down then - I don't care, just don't tell me i have 1pg available when I actually don't.
Your line of the argument is also valid, please take a seat and start over with a new one.
|
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1905
|
Posted - 2014.04.26 20:24:00 -
[23] - Quote
Caleb Seremshur wrote:Because idiots flying around in helios and other buzzards doing my data/relic sites deserve to be squished, 23dps at a time.
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
233
|
Posted - 2014.04.27 05:44:00 -
[24] - Quote
Internet celebrities have come - thanks for the cheese now GTFO.
I stand by my earlier statement - don't tell me I have something I don't. This includes but is not limited to PG, CPU and cap/regen rate
LP store weapon cost rebalance |
|
|
|
Pages: [1] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |