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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5003
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Posted - 2014.04.18 08:30:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:[quote=Sibyyl]You know how EVE has a depth of player freedom that is unequalled in today's market?
UO makes it look like WoW in comparison. I am reading about what's happened in UO over the years. It seems like PVP everywhere was stopped and items took precendence of over skill (not sure how items/skills compare in EVE context). The first part certainly sounds like some of the whining we see in GD.
It remains the abject lesson of why "going mainstream" is a bad idea.
Gaming is, in itself, a niche activity. In order to appeal to the unwashed masses (or worse, console players...) you have to dumb something down to the point where people who enjoy complexity and challenge are left out in the cold.
Consider this. Three of THE most popular and widespread games in the last decade are Angry Birds, Candy Crush, and Farmville.
I can't say "Hell no" enough times. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Webvan
State Protectorate Caldari State
1141
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Posted - 2014.04.18 08:55:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:I am reading about what's happened in UO over the years. It seems like PVP everywhere was stopped and items took precendence of over skill (not sure how items/skills compare in EVE context). The first part certainly sounds like some of the whining we see in GD. Well, EQ1 launched, UO started hemorrhaging accounts to it. so the UO devs decided to change plans from "player justice" which sorta failed from their early pre-launch concept, to mirroring the map to a new area and making it more safe there, the fel/tram split. But no, PvP didn't stop there, it was just more painful for unorganized solo type pvpers. Many of us joined into huge RP/PvP guild alliances, had huge wars and such. The split was sort of like highsec vs lowsec here, and yes with many of the same problems and forum arguments and all that.
The item based stuff came years later. That did do a lot of damage to the existing PvP groups left in the game. Then all the mini-game type stuff, bulk order deeds, insurance and other weird stuff that fractured the community further. Increased the skill cap over 100 (per skill) by decreasing the strength on the skills, but then sacrificing the more diverse builds for more cookie cutter builds where everyone had a more common skill set/power builds. They put the game in shackles. |
Za Sunji
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.04.18 09:11:00 -
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The Matrix Online. My son was the one who heard about it and wanted to play. I created a character and logged in to see what was going on and I got hooked. I played more than he did At the time our only internet options were satellite and dial-up. It was playable on dial-up until they did the server mergers, after that not so much. |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
228
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Posted - 2014.04.18 10:22:00 -
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I think somewhere in -96 I found a web page that had list of thousands of different MUD's categorized by their type of genre. Once printed that list took 50 pages...
So with the dawn of internet my experiment with MUD's began and soon after became the first MMO's and by -00 the internet had suddenly exploded and become available everywhere.
So my first MMO was Anarchy Online, game where everything was decided by "he who could exploit the most" from millions of undocumented features and bugs that have plagued the game ever since. Even then the game was already free to play and man did we had a blast with my "froobie account" friends but that joy didn't last that long because WOW was looming on the horizon and like a siren's call it sucked everyone from other MMO's to it.
So two years of WOW and I was pretty much done with all the raiding and arena crap and several promising new MMO's had appeared but first I tried Shadow Bane for a while but frankly that game was so half finished that there was literally no game play to it at all unless you did PvP so you grinded to max levels with help of a bot ... Then I found EVE and I have stayed with EVE for 7 years now, no I haven't been entirely faithful to my harsh mistress and i must confess that I have tried several other MMO's such as LOTRO (that had a fascinating concept in monster PvP if not in execution), AOC that fell flat on it's face, Warhammer that was abandoned to milk us dry with empty promises.
My only regret is that I didn't buy that 'life time' subscription to LOTRO for 150Gé¼ when I had the chance. |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
35
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:54:00 -
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Gerald Taric wrote:Webvan wrote:...to MMO's? What was your very first mmorpg?or aka graphical MUD, excluding text based. Bonus questions: How did you hear of that game? What kept you playing? How long did you play? Why did you quit? (if you did) 1) Neocron 2) Saw it on a shelf in a warehouse 3) interacting with others to gain common goals; the "free" world, where you can choose, what to do 4) round about 10 Years 5) A major patch removed the posibilities for my main fun action : collecting special items from PvE, which were needed by others to do their PvP but their are too lazy to do it for themself. In addition to that another patch made it very hard to PvE solo and collect the loot. This destroyed the motivation continuing to play the game. Furthermore the "online friends" went into other directions, and after an personal important person within this gaming comunity died in real live, and the remaining - i will call it "personal game social surrounding" - changed, i lost the emotional connection to it. ..... I quit.
Neocron was my first, then I found EVE. Before that I was a MUD player |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
35
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:55:00 -
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Za Sunji wrote:The Matrix Online. My son was the one who heard about it and wanted to play. I created a character and logged in to see what was going on and I got hooked. I played more than he did At the time our only internet options were satellite and dial-up. It was playable on dial-up until they did the server mergers, after that not so much.
I have a signed copy of that game.
-ú100 you can have it :P |
Za Sunji
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.04.18 13:52:00 -
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Themanfromdalmontee wrote:Za Sunji wrote:The Matrix Online. My son was the one who heard about it and wanted to play. I created a character and logged in to see what was going on and I got hooked. I played more than he did At the time our only internet options were satellite and dial-up. It was playable on dial-up until they did the server mergers, after that not so much. I have a signed copy of that game. -ú100 you can have it :P
Lol, I remember it fondly but not that fondly. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3043
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Posted - 2014.04.18 17:25:00 -
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Nobody played Jumpgate? It and EVE came out in beta about the same time. They were the two space MMOs in development, so people were watching and comparing. I had a great time in Jumpgate, but got busy with a newborn kid and had to quit. "Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006) |
Webvan
State Protectorate Caldari State
1357
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Posted - 2014.04.20 07:51:00 -
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Ah, no, I waited until the following year and got onto earth and beyond on launch day. At the time of Jumpgate's launch, I already had too many mmo subs going lol Which by the time EnB came out I had shaved down some of my subs.
Themanfromdalmontee wrote:Za Sunji wrote:The Matrix Online. My son was the one who heard about it and wanted to play. I created a character and logged in to see what was going on and I got hooked. I played more than he did At the time our only internet options were satellite and dial-up. It was playable on dial-up until they did the server mergers, after that not so much. I have a signed copy of that game. -ú100 you can have it :P You might want to hold onto that... I mean some players-coders are trying to resurrect the game.
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Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
902
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Posted - 2014.04.20 10:43:00 -
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Waaay the hell back in Everquest (aka EverCamp, EverCrack, etc etc etc...) popped my MMO cherry. Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content |
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Astenion
Pyromaniacs Anonymous Psychological Meltdown
367
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Posted - 2014.04.21 13:11:00 -
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DAoC (Dark Age of Camelot), then came Anarchy Online, then WoW, then Eve, then SWTOR, then Guild Wars 2, then The Secret World.
The only ones I still play are Eve, SWTOR, and TSW with Eve being my primary. I played GW2 for about three weeks and shelved it. It's beautiful, sure, but it just doesn't live up to the hype. Everyone hyped it up so much that when I finally got around to trying it, I was like, "THIS is what you've been going on about? I'd rather play SWTOR to be honest."
I still play SWTOR whenever there's something new to do. It's a shame because it had so much potential, but it's just not enough. I'll sub for a couple of months when Xpacs come out, but other than that I usually do the F2P thing.
The Secret World is actually a really, really cool game, and it's B2P. The only thing I don't like about it is there's no real community there.
Eve is the end-all, be-all MMO for me. |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance
7767
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Posted - 2014.04.21 16:14:00 -
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I'm hooked on elder scrolls online right now. I'll often be playing it while having eve up in the background for chat purposes. |
Webvan
State Protectorate Caldari State
1588
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Posted - 2014.04.21 21:34:00 -
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Astenion wrote: I played GW2 for about three weeks and shelved it. It's beautiful, sure, but it just doesn't live up to the hype. Everyone hyped it up so much that when I finally got around to trying it, I was like, "THIS is what you've been going on about? I'd rather play SWTOR to be honest." I played it for a year, sometimes side-by-side with EVE (both games you sometimes get into waiting mode). I never bothered following all the hype though, I just got it because I did some pvp in gw1 years ago. I uninstalled it around September though, they went in a different direction with it than what they said they were planning to do around launch. They lured in a lot of WoW players crying for change, easy game-play, and the game turned into a wow style gear grind mess fed by huge RMT schemes while abandoning a true expansion which it needed. Grindwars2. They had an excellent idea at launch though, worked pretty well for a while. Good wvw and also the open-world raiding was good (rare these days to see oldschool raiding, it's all instanced junk). grind-grind-grind |
Astenion
Pyromaniacs Anonymous Psychological Meltdown
367
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:54:00 -
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TESO looks great, but I played all the betas up until launch and it's still too buggy to pluck down any money. You're right, though...it's a great looking and great playing game. |
Adunh Slavy
1364
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Posted - 2014.04.23 22:57:00 -
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mush.elendor.net port 1892 Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
111212
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Posted - 2014.04.23 23:46:00 -
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Rose Online!!
Original R.O.S.E not the Evo Rubbish
Can't remember
Can't Remember
Can't Remember
They Changed it into EvoRose WHICH SUCKS! Took away my DEX MUSE! (In other words they stopped letting you build Hybrid classes)
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
24671
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Posted - 2014.04.24 00:00:00 -
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Astenion wrote:TESO looks great, but I played all the betas up until launch and it's still too buggy to pluck down any money. You're right, though...it's a great looking and great playing game.
I dunno... maybe I have played to many MMOs over the years, but I lost interest in ESO just as fast as I lost interest in most others over the last years... they are all so "samey".
My first MMO was Ultima Online... but I never actually played that, since it was too... abstract for me back then, so the first one I really got into, was EverQuest. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
990
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:10:00 -
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In Sowjet Russia Virginity looses you!
Probably Dark Age of Camelot...
Played it for a Month after release. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
990
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Posted - 2014.04.24 07:22:00 -
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Astenion wrote:TESO looks great, but I played all the betas up until launch and it's still too buggy to pluck down any money. You're right, though...it's a great looking and great playing game.
Played the beta, too. Expected TES with multiplayer. Got someting that felt as if management told the devs to make it more like WoW because marketing said it wouldn't be successfull otherwise. *ieugh*
If it'll ever be f2p I might play that, but I won't spend money on that garbage. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Xtreem
PERPIDE Ineluctable.
183
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Posted - 2014.04.24 09:22:00 -
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Unless you count BNT (Black nova traders, web based game)
then for me it was Eve online in 2003! :) |
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Job Valador
Sovereign Colonies Armed Forces
556
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Posted - 2014.04.24 12:18:00 -
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Some crappy STD infested WOW clone that I can't even recall its name. "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Mina Sebiestar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
659
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Posted - 2014.04.24 14:48:00 -
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Eve
Some mag years ago and few years after that I started jan 09 if mem serve me right. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
7
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Posted - 2014.04.29 18:35:00 -
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1. Ragnarok Online - big hit in my country 2. Rising Force Online - the game i played extensively, ruined by cheats and macro transaction 3. TERA - boobies 4. The Secret World - hyped prior to release, best game immersion and lore! 5. Eve Online - recent titan war write ups. Just Add Water |
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