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Anslo
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:48:00 -
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....so you're dissapointed everyone is doing it wrong and intend to force them to do it right by shooting them so that they can live in a future free of shooting.
....mkay.
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6188
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Posted - 2014.04.17 20:00:00 -
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Kasenumi; clearly, you're sentient. But possessing of free will...? A share of it, perhaps. It's known that Sansha's vanguard agents possess some degree of free will as it's required for their mission, which is the use of psychological warfare to decrease resistance as a prelude to harvesting operations. I can only assume that the degree of resistance encountered by Sansha has resulted in-- well, what amounts to a protracted campaign to reduce resistance by non-military means.
But-- free will. Perhaps at the beginning, you had it. But I'm unconvinced that it remains in full, just as a cultist subjected to TCMC-assisted domination ceases to have free will by the end.
I've heard that insanity is a frequent final result among these agents, as an aside.
Good luck. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Jinx Kasenumi
Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators
4
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Posted - 2014.04.17 20:30:00 -
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Anslo wrote:....so you're dissapointed everyone is doing it wrong and intend to force them to do it right by shooting them so that they can live in a future free of shooting.
....mkay. I do not believe that anyone is forced to join the nation, i know that i was not. Val offered to let me come and live at Stain for a time, which was quite generous given the disarray my life was in. Well after i arrived and saw the Nation myself i was amazed. The first night i found it difficult to fall asleep in a new and unfamiliar place, but when i awoke the next morning everything was different. I had found my true calling, i knew what i must do. It makes me happy to be part of something more, something greater, and i only hope that i can in some small way help the galaxy reach eternal peace.
As painful as it is to be away from my new home in Stain, i travel the galaxy with my new friends to bring the message i have learned from Master Kuvakei. A message of peace and love. We are simply pilgrims, or missionary only wishing to bring people the same joy we have found. But what would you have us do when we are meet with open hostility? Should we do nothing and be destroyed? Do we not have the right to defend ourselves? Our great Sovereign Nation is being persecuted and i for one can not sit back and allow my people to endure more suffering then is needed! I only wish that we could spread our message peacefully without the open hostility that often shown to us. |
Anslo
Scope Works
4870
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Posted - 2014.04.17 20:36:00 -
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Wow, you're almost as bad as those new order freaks. Personally, if no one likes the message, head home and live life. But I don't think Papa Kuvakei put that in your programming so...whatever.
See you in space.
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Jinx Kasenumi
Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators
4
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Posted - 2014.04.17 20:37:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Kasenumi; clearly, you're sentient. But possessing of free will...? A share of it, perhaps. It's known that Sansha's vanguard agents possess some degree of free will as it's required for their mission, which is the use of psychological warfare to decrease resistance as a prelude to harvesting operations. I can only assume that the degree of resistance encountered by Sansha has resulted in-- well, what amounts to a protracted campaign to reduce resistance by non-military means.
But-- free will. Perhaps at the beginning, you had it. But I'm unconvinced that it remains in full, just as a cultist subjected to TCMC-assisted domination ceases to have free will by the end.
I've heard that insanity is a frequent final result among these agents, as an aside.
Good luck. You question my free will? I could do the same to you, I was born to the Caldari Empire. I was shunned even by my own parents. The only thing i did wrong was think for myself, I saw the problems inherit to the system. I saw the poor suffer so that me and my parents could have the life we did, I saw people die in hospitals, and on the streets simply because they could not afford the bills. It was horrible, and i spoke out against it. For this i was cast aside, i could not find work, my parents would not speak to me. So i left, The Nation is the first place that I have lived that treats its citizens fairly. So no i have my free will, I make my choices. It is you all that have had your minds warped and controlled by the system. Come see The Nation for yourself so that you can know enlightenment and free will. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6189
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Posted - 2014.04.17 21:04:00 -
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Maker, but you're a text book case. I'll do some research into psychological maladies before I reply, I think. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
328
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Posted - 2014.04.17 21:09:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Wow, you're almost as bad as those new order freaks. Personally, if no one likes the message, head home and live life. But I don't think Papa Kuvakei put that in your programming so...whatever.
See you in space. It's sad, I know, but I would take the nation over New order any day. They're less annoying. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
3505
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Posted - 2014.04.17 21:15:00 -
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What travesty of the State did you grow up in? The State I know is one where an employee-citizen's costs are picked up by the medical insurance that's part of his contracted benefits package. The only people who are starving, without opportunity, without healthcare, without education.... Are the detached - usually 'fired-for-cause' criminals who don't contribute to society - so why should they reap the hard work of everyone else?
As for your inability to secure a contract after voicing your opinion - why would anyone want to work with someone who casts aspersions on everything we stand for? If you really don't feel invested in the State system, you're best working outside of it. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6189
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Posted - 2014.04.17 21:58:00 -
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Tuulinen, I suspect she grew up as one of the Disassociated, perhaps in an under-developed region where proper competitive forces hadn't brought into play the benefits the vast majority of citizens take for granted. This left her disaffected, and an easy mark for the bald-faced lie that is Sansha utopianism. I'm sure there's some documented affect for this-- something not unlike when some angry teenager flees home, and is taken in by a con who promises a better life in a brothel. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
3506
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Posted - 2014.04.17 22:05:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Tuulinen, I suspect she grew up as one of the Disassociated, perhaps in an under-developed region where proper competitive forces hadn't brought into play the benefits the vast majority of citizens take for granted. This left her disaffected, and an easy mark for the bald-faced lie that is Sansha utopianism. I'm sure there's some documented affect for this-- something not unlike when some angry teenager flees home, and is taken in by a con who promises a better life in a brothel.
It just makes me sad to see such things touted as being the state of affairs, when they apply to such a vanishingly small proportion of the State's population that one might as well not talk about them at all. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
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Ber Kan
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
66
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Posted - 2014.04.17 23:56:00 -
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10/10. Would troll with Anslo again. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á This thread has been Plundered. |
Anslo
Scope Works
4871
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Posted - 2014.04.18 00:09:00 -
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Ber Kan wrote:10/10. Would troll with Anslo again.
STILL MY BOY BER! DON'T EVER STOP!
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Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
181
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Posted - 2014.04.18 00:45:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It just makes me sad to see such things touted as being the state of affairs, when they apply to such a vanishingly small proportion of the State's population that one might as well not talk about them at all.
No one is innocent of it Pieter. You did the same the last time we spoke.
It is easier than you may think to fall into that trap, especially if you are one of those who are of that minority. -áFear The Tribes |
Jinx Kasenumi
Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators
4
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Posted - 2014.04.18 05:45:00 -
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Letting anyone that is willing to work fall through the cracks in the system is the problem with the system. Minority or not they are still people and deserve the same rights as everyone else. However the larger issue i see is how everyone is more then willing to condemn The Nation without ever experiencing everything that the Nation has to offer you all. People make many assumptions about life in the Nation, but this does not make the lies true. We fight struggle and live just like everyone else, but for our own version of a utopian state. I do not see how this is a crime, everyone seems to let the other empires have a wide birth as to what they do and support. We simply ask for the same thing, maybe our methods are not to the liking of everyone else but that does not me the utopia that we and the Master dreams of are wrong. |
Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
148
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Posted - 2014.04.18 06:32:00 -
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Jinx Kasenumi wrote:maybe our methods are not to the liking of everyone else but that does not me the utopia that we and the Master dreams of are wrong. "Not to the liking" is kind of an understatement, considering Papa Sansha even managed to tick off the Jove.
Getting any reaction from those people is a pretty high accomplishment all on its own, and he inspired them to war. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
2160
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Posted - 2014.04.18 10:04:00 -
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Bryen Verrisai wrote:Jinx Kasenumi wrote:maybe our methods are not to the liking of everyone else but that does not me the utopia that we and the Master dreams of are wrong. "Not to the liking" is kind of an understatement, considering Papa Sansha even managed to tick off the Jove. Getting any reaction from those people is a pretty high accomplishment all on its own, and he inspired them to war.
Why is ticking off the Jovians such a bad thing? What suddenly gives them this exalted place in your mind that says that the Jovians are both something to be feared and to be respected?
At one point they were mighty, but since their last ambassador cast himself across the universe in a teleporter "accident" they have either left you to fend for yourselves after starting a failed experiment that is, arguably, far worse than anything I have ever heard of (Let's turn all these people into free roaming and extremely dangerous weapons and then not give them an off switch!), or they are dead and gone, killed by the disease they caused in themselves through uncontrolled experimentation.
They have never been arbiters of moral authority. They have been, at their best, mysterious glowing figures on the horizon that refuse to tell you anything.
Or maybe you're just scared, and understand that your own systems have inherent weaknesses that make you vulnerable to them.
If we are at war with the Jove, then as far as I can tell we are winning. |
Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
149
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Posted - 2014.04.18 11:06:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Why is ticking off the Jovians such a bad thing? It denotes the extremism and hyper-irregularity inherent in your position. I never explicitly stated that as a bad thing; rather, I implied that if your ideas manage to turn everyone against you, including those who barely care to have a stance or stake in anything else, then you may wish to reexamine your position.
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:If we are at war with the Jove, then as far as I can tell we are winning. You were at war with the Jove (and the empires). You lost.
Frankly, I'm not personally inclined to even view the incursions over the last few years as anything more than cadaveric spasms.
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Jinx Kasenumi
Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators
4
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Posted - 2014.04.18 12:50:00 -
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Perhaps it is extremism in some peoples view point. But history is filled with extreme viewpoints that have become the norm. Not understanding our ideas does not make them extreme, only misunderstood. |
Niraia
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
222
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Posted - 2014.04.18 13:01:00 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:If you remember this, you might also remember that due to personnel issues, Zaratha Zarati effectively stopped operations supporting the Nation.
There's no need to be coy about it, Ghost Hunter kicked the original Zaratha Zarati with no warning or explanation and stole the alliance we formed together.
I can't think why you'd align yourself with such a dishonest coward, or babble the same tired absurdities about "unity", as if things will be any different now. But for the sake of an old friendship, whether or not it still exists, I wish you luck. Niraia EVE Online Hold'Em |
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
339
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Posted - 2014.04.18 13:23:00 -
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Master Kuvakei says that he is The Answer.
I do not Know if that is True, because I do not know what The Question is. |
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Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
253
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Posted - 2014.04.18 14:14:00 -
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Sofia Roseburn wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Is it this time of the month? That's a question that only you can answer Siikanen.
I was referring to the clotted menses oozing forth from the OP. I am past that stage of my life.
Of course, im sure Ms. Roseburn knew that. She's so smart and all. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
Pieter Tuulinen
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
3506
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Posted - 2014.04.18 14:43:00 -
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Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Sofia Roseburn wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Is it this time of the month? That's a question that only you can answer Siikanen. I was referring to the clotted menses oozing forth from the OP. I am past that stage of my life. Of course, im sure Ms. Roseburn knew that. She's so smart and all.
Oh, thanks for that Kyllsa. Breakfast has just been enhanced wonderfully... "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Anslo
Scope Works
4880
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Posted - 2014.04.18 14:44:00 -
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Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Of course, im sure Ms. Roseburn knew that. She's so smart and all.
She is?
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ValentinaDLM
Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators
517
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Posted - 2014.04.18 18:57:00 -
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Niraia wrote:ValentinaDLM wrote:If you remember this, you might also remember that due to personnel issues, Zaratha Zarati effectively stopped operations supporting the Nation. There's no need to be coy about it, Ghost Hunter kicked the original Zaratha Zarati with no warning or explanation and stole the alliance we formed together. I can't think why you'd align yourself with such a dishonest coward, or babble the same tired absurdities about "unity", as if things will be any different now. But for the sake of an old friendship, whether or not it still exists, I wish you luck.
Fair enough, I was coy about it, mainly because I didn't want to rehash the whole thing, after all I still like all of the people involved. I mentioned it however, for two reasons:
The first being that I didn't really want to imply that I was taking credit for the things you did running Z-Z. For example, you were the one who did all of the work on Z-Z's behalf to co-found the alliance. You put forth lots of effort and isk and I wanted to make it clear that I wasn't the one in charge then, I don't want to take away from the accomplishments you had.
The Second reason being that, I wanted to establish for those newer capsuleers who weren't around then that this purpose isn't really new to us, following the Nation is more like coming home than some sort of trend to us, and in order to establish that explaining that bit of history seemed like it would help.
As for Ghost Hunter, I understand why you harbor the sentiments that you do, but Ghost has made it clear to me he is committed to the Nation and to unity. He has also been more than welcoming to us. I trust him, but I fully understand that you don't and why you don't. I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree on the nature of who he is.
For what it's worth, I wish you luck as well Niraia. It truly is good to hear from you, and I hope you can understand my feelings and why I made the choices I did, even if you don't agree with those choices. |
Vincent Pryce
Nictus X Unforgiving.
135
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:10:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Of course, im sure Ms. Roseburn knew that. She's so smart and all.
She is?
You don't grasp sarcasm all that well, do you? Vincent Pryce Archangel of Asakai |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
1664
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:29:00 -
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Jinx Kasenumi wrote:I do not believe that anyone is forced to join the nation...
Those millions of people that you infected with incapacitating nanites and then kidnapped would disagree with you.
Oh, sorry, I guess they can no longer disagree after being implanted and turned into cybernetic zombies.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around. |
Anslo
Scope Works
4884
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Posted - 2014.04.18 19:49:00 -
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Vincent Pryce wrote:Anslo wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Of course, im sure Ms. Roseburn knew that. She's so smart and all.
She is? You don't grasp sarcasm all that well, do you? Welp,seems you don't.
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Vincent Pryce
Nictus X Unforgiving.
136
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:35:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Vincent Pryce wrote:Anslo wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Of course, im sure Ms. Roseburn knew that. She's so smart and all.
She is? You don't grasp sarcasm all that well, do you? Welp,seems you don't.
After all this time, and still the best you can up with is "NO U". So works the mind of a simpleton. Vincent Pryce Archangel of Asakai |
Anslo
Scope Works
4884
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Posted - 2014.04.18 20:39:00 -
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You actually think you're worth more than a 'no u?'
Now THAT'S funny. 10/10.
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
334
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Posted - 2014.04.18 21:30:00 -
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Anslo wrote:You actually think you're worth more than a 'no u?'
Now THAT'S funny. 10/10. Nonsense! He's worth 3 'no u' The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
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