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Carn Astrael
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.17 01:46:00 -
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I am trying to complete the second tutorial mission for Industry, where you have to gather 333 of the mineral to refine, there are three astroid fields in that solar system and NONE Of them has a single asteroid in them that I can see after two hours of going between then. Do the fields respawn? someone may have cleaned them out, i saw another miner doing the same hunt.
I can't believe that the fields are so fragile..or that training missoins are placed where there are no resources to find.
How do you navigate search other fields ? I mean there is no road map for near by galaxies that I can see or have been told about in the tutorials, so basically I am stuck in the area around the station until we get further training or info on how to search elsewhere. I have no desire to get involved in PVP antics ..i am just trying to get thru the training at this point.
any tips helpful and very gratefully recieved.
I dont see any radar function that we can search for objects..the tactical display does not even show the police ships at one of the fields, what is up with that? i thouight tactical displays would show other ships as well? or do i have to select some filter to get that to show?
sigh.
i hope there is not a time limit on the missions, i understand if we fail them more than once we cannot do them again and lose our standing with that trainer? another possible trap for the unwary?
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L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
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Posted - 2014.04.17 01:55:00 -
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Memory is hazy on the tutorial specifics so let's cover all the bases:
If it's a mission pocket: When you undock, right click somewhere in empty space to pull up the right click menu and see if you have an "encounter" entry. If you do, there should also be a "set destination" or a "warp to" menu option. Use that and see if it helps.
If it's not: Warp to a belt in system, make sure your overview is using the default 'mining' one. Right click the little white lines in the top left of the overview to set this.
Still no roids in the belt? They've been hovered up by someone else, check other belts in system then just warp to another gate and try the asteroid belts in the system next door.
Still nada? Keep checking nearby systems or just buy the ore from the market and move on with the tutorials..
Belts are finite and respawn at downtime. Even the ore in the game is gained by direct player vs player competition. You got to get there first and mine it faster than the other guy. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2619
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:02:00 -
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The rookie systems are terrible for mining, because they are totally safe (CCP prohibit ganking there) which attracts multiboxers and botters who prevent actual rookies actually getting the ore.
As a consequence, you will usually need to go 2 jumps away to find a belt.
Your alternative is to purchase that ore from the market. It's your decision. The final reward for that tutorial is worth a lot more than the ore will cost you. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Carn Astrael
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.17 02:42:00 -
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thank you both you helped me a LOT. i felt like a dummy for compaining about this, it makes sense that ppl exploit the region. I guess i am ok for wondering. thanks so much. I will prob buy it because i really dont want to miss getting the Mining cruiser. thanks again! |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
528
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Posted - 2014.04.17 03:11:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:The rookie systems are terrible for mining, because they are totally safe (CCP prohibit ganking there) which attracts multiboxers and botters who prevent actual rookies actually getting the ore.
As a consequence, you will usually need to go 2 jumps away to find a belt.
Your alternative is to purchase that ore from the market. It's your decision. The final reward for that tutorial is worth a lot more than the ore will cost you.
I went to Jouvulen the other day to meet my RL mate who just started playing... I was sat outside the station and saw a guy with an Orca undock and several T2 mining barges undock at the same time, it was pretty obvious he was multiboxing as they all did everything at the same time. This is just after DT in a rookie system, the belts where gone a few hours later.
I find people like this absolutely disgusting in this game, they are in a starter system and mining it out. When new players can't find asteroids or ask in local they don't even have the decency to speak up and tell them. He was at the keyboard to because the guy was telling in local me how "it's illegal to bump him off the asteroids in that system and he was reporting me" (although he used much more colourful words).
I continued to bump him until my friend showed up, much to this players annoyance.
To the OP: As other have stated most of the time its a case of having to move a few systems away from starter systems and trade hubs. Other times its a case of having to move several jumps, its all a matter of what time you play. Belts respawn at downtime which is at 11am evetime.
Welcome to Eve, and hope your experience isn't too tarnished by risk averse pansies mining out new player systems.
Feel free to ask questions and don't feel stupid asking how to do 'x' or where do I find 'y'. Just make sure you search the web for it first as usually the question has already been asked before. Also make sure to check out the stickies at the top of the subforum. Some really useful stuff regarding the UI, overview and skills up there.
Have fun. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
345
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Posted - 2014.04.17 03:21:00 -
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Is he in a player corp? Maybe I could check out newbie systems for obviously not newbies wasting space and declare war. Blowing him up would gain great satisfaction and probably generate many tears if simply bumping him caused a few. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
528
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Posted - 2014.04.17 03:25:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Is he in a player corp? Maybe I could check out newbie systems for obviously not newbies wasting space and declare war. Blowing him up would gain great satisfaction and probably generate many tears if simply bumping him caused a few.
You know what, I actually didn't check probably should have done. Next time I am in there, my friend is currently basing out of there while he does the tutorials and what not on weekends, I will make sure to check should he undock and mine again... And I shall pass along the details Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
846
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Posted - 2014.04.17 04:21:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Is he in a player corp? Maybe I could check out newbie systems for obviously not newbies wasting space and declare war. Blowing him up would gain great satisfaction and probably generate many tears if simply bumping him caused a few.
Everyone in a better mining ship than a Venture cannot seriously considered a "Rookie" anymore and thus no longer falls under the special protection regarding CCPs "Rookie-systems", imo.... Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mangala Solaris for CSM 9
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
346
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Posted - 2014.04.17 06:32:00 -
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Rookie systems should act as lowsec systems for any accounts over 2 weeks old. This should keep farmers from taking advantage of rookie status they do not merit.
Rookie systems are for doing tutorials and very basic familiarization., non rookies should only come into system to help rookies, buy and sell goods, recruit, drop message cans, or request/run missions.
There should be definite and tangible penalties for those non-rookies in system who negatively affect rookie tutorial mission completion. I would gladly drop what I was doing and fly across the universe for the pleasure of doing so myself. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
102
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Posted - 2014.04.17 06:37:00 -
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Balshem Rozenzweig
Akademia Milicyjna The North is Coming
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Posted - 2014.04.17 08:14:00 -
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Carn Astrael wrote:I am trying to complete the second tutorial mission for Industry, where you have to gather 333 of the mineral to refine, there are three astroid fields in that solar system and NONE Of them has a single asteroid in them that I can see after two hours of going between then. Do the fields respawn? someone may have cleaned them out, i saw another miner doing the same hunt.
I can't believe that the fields are so fragile..or that training missoins are placed where there are no resources to find.
How do you navigate search other fields ? I mean there is no road map for near by galaxies that I can see or have been told about in the tutorials, so basically I am stuck in the area around the station until we get further training or info on how to search elsewhere. I have no desire to get involved in PVP antics ..i am just trying to get thru the training at this point.
any tips helpful and very gratefully recieved.
I dont see any radar function that we can search for objects..the tactical display does not even show the police ships at one of the fields, what is up with that? i thouight tactical displays would show other ships as well? or do i have to select some filter to get that to show?
sigh.
i hope there is not a time limit on the missions, i understand if we fail them more than once we cannot do them again and lose our standing with that trainer? another possible trap for the unwary?
In you main ui when you undock - click at the mission and the "warp to". It is possible you need to visit a certain place in order to complete the mission anyway (regardless if you actually have the minerals or not).
If it's not the case - just use a stargate to jump into a different system and look around for belts (right click in space - asteroid belts - warp to). Should you want to find your home eventually - click on "assets" then the place you have your staff in and right click "set destination" - it will highlight all the stargates along the way yellow. Singature Radius 48 m |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17837
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Posted - 2014.04.17 10:25:00 -
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IIRC the tutorial mining sites are all in mission pockets. If you mine from the belts there's a good chance the mission won't flag as complete.
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Desny Krtek
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.04.17 10:43:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:
I continued to bump him until my friend showed up, much to this players annoyance.
How I can bump someone ? |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
529
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Posted - 2014.04.17 11:47:00 -
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Desny Krtek wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:
I continued to bump him until my friend showed up, much to this players annoyance.
How I can bump someone ?
Ramming speed... Align your ship to them (or thier current course) and set full speed
Seriously, you can get some ships really far from their original position! Haha Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Major Trant
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
707
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Posted - 2014.04.17 11:55:00 -
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Please read the mission text carefully, the mission description adds flavor but when you drill down to it, the mission objective is often a lot simpler that you initially assume.
It has been a while since I did the rookie missions and things might have changed, but back then there was no mission that required you to go searching for asteroids and mining them in the public system belts.
If you were ever required to mine something you got a bookmark to a specific mission location where you would find the asteroids you needed. No other player could have got to that location before you and all you needed was 2 or 3 minutes to get the required ore.
There was one or more missions that required you to deliver regular ore or minerals to the agent. Invariably you can buy these off the market in the same station and deliver them immediately. That is in no way cheating, the agent doesn't care how you got the goods, in fact I'd say that is part of the sandbox learning process. Get used to looking for alternative ways to complete your objectives and pick the one that is most convenient / fun for you.
A similar situation exists with the manufacturing tutorials. Some give you a BPC and ask you to deliver the built item. Some of those BPCs are for Civilian items (a shuttle I think) which you cannot buy off the market and thus have to manufacture. Others are for ships or items you already possess (a venture I think is one) and the manufacturing time exceeds the mission bonus time. Assuming you haven't rigged it, repackage the one you already have and hand it over or buy one off the market. Keep the BPC until you need another Venture for yourself. Remember you are going to be moving away from the starter system shortly and a venture BPC is a lot easier to transport than a venture.
The advanced combat tutorial are another where you can save yourself a lot of Isk if you read the mission carefully and do only what is asked.
Two of those missions require you to lose ships. The first requires you to fly a supplied ship to a location where it blows up destroying the target. There is no requirement to fit any modules to this ship, so don't and make sure you insure it first.
The second mission requires you to enter a deadspace room and fight to the death killing at least one of your enemies, which means of course you do actually have to fit up your ship this time. You enter and there is one easy NPC and when you kill him a fleet spawns and kills you. Simple right? But there is nothing stopping you warping out, reshipping into a cheaper ship, even a noob ship and completing the second objective (dying) in that.
Read the mission text and do only what you have to. CTRL-Q - Minmatar FW - Low Sec PvP - Euro TZ - New Player Friendly Contact: Major Trant In game channel: FeO Public Recruitment thread: CTRL-Q |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17837
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Posted - 2014.04.17 12:40:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:Ramming speed... Align your ship to them (or thier current course) and set full speed Seriously, you can get some ships really far from their original position! Haha Confirming this is a giggle, hit someone hard enough and you can knock them huge distances. It's normally a tactic used on freighters to stop them warping before they get ganked, but has been used to target miners too.
Set up a couple of giant secure containers as goalposts 50 or 60 KM from a belt, get some friends and see how many miners you can knock through them.
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Desny Krtek
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:23:00 -
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Thanks for the link. Can mining barge use its higher mass to prevent the bump? I mean, covetor is 4 times heavier, then the Staber Fleet Issue. Even though it will have much lower speed (no MWD), it still has comparable impetus due to higher mass. If Covetor hit incomming stabber, will it get smaller bump?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17840
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:35:00 -
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Desny Krtek wrote:Thanks for the link. Can mining barge use its higher mass to prevent the bump? I mean, covetor is 4 times heavier, then the Staber Fleet Issue. Even though it will have much lower speed (no MWD), it still has comparable impetus due to higher mass. If Covetor hit incomming stabber, will it get smaller bump? The microwarpdrive increases the mass of the Stabber by 5,000,000 KG to approx 16,000,000 KG(assuming a 10MN MWD), combined with the speeds involved (approx 2KM/s) it pretty much negates any mass advantage that an exhumer or barge has.
16000(ish) tons travelling at Mach 5.8(ish) is a whole lot of energy.
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Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
531
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Posted - 2014.04.17 13:48:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:Desny Krtek wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:
I continued to bump him until my friend showed up, much to this players annoyance.
How I can bump someone ? Ramming speed... Align your ship to them (or thier current course) and set full speed Seriously, you can get some ships really far from their original position! Haha Confirming this is a giggle, hit someone hard enough and you can knock them huge distances. It's normally a tactic used on freighters to stop them warping before they get ganked, but has been used to target miners too. In the case of miners 5-20 KM is relatively easy to achieve, 40-60KM is possible with the right ship and some luck. Cruisers are great for it, http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/08/how-do-i-fit-my-stabber.html shows a fit and some techniques to give you ideas if you want to indulge in this particular Eve sport. Be prepared to be insulted, threatened, have your mothers honour questioned etc, some people get kind of mad when you do it. Set up a couple of giant secure containers as goalposts between 50 and 100 KM from a belt, get some friends and see how many miners you can knock through them.
It's also great to use of people are trying to burn back to the gate to escape a camp... Done correctly you can stop someone from escaping via the Stargate and still keep them in point (warp disruption) range... Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Cara Forelli
End-of-Line Sky Syndicate
326
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Posted - 2014.04.17 14:56:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:IIRC the tutorial mining sites are all in mission pockets. If you mine from the belts there's a good chance the mission won't flag as complete.
You can mine from anywhere, as long as you warp to the location before turning in the mission.
Iria Ahrens wrote: non rookies should only come into system to help rookies, buy and sell goods, recruit, drop message cans, or request/run missions.
I'm sure no one would ever take advantage of the market in rookie systems. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
New player with questions? Like to answer questions? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17841
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Posted - 2014.04.17 15:06:00 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:IIRC the tutorial mining sites are all in mission pockets. If you mine from the belts there's a good chance the mission won't flag as complete. You can mine from anywhere, as long as you warp to the location before turning in the mission. Now that I didn't know, TY for the correction.
Quote:Iria Ahrens wrote: non rookies should only come into system to help rookies, buy and sell goods, recruit, drop message cans, or request/run missions. I'm sure no one would ever take advantage of the market in rookie systems. I give back occasionally, I'll often drop a bunch of frigates from a hauler in newbie systems.
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Kronenbourg Strasbourg
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.04.17 15:10:00 -
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TBH as a new player, I noticed the same pilots (with advanced ships) in and around the Amarr training / high-sec areas, mining the hell out of the belts there, day in, day out. Whilst I guess it isn't best practice, the main thing I thought was that it must be an unbelievably boring existence! Mining 0.9 / 1.0 Veldspar 24/7!
Can't think of anything worse!
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
348
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Posted - 2014.04.17 16:54:00 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:IIRC the tutorial mining sites are all in mission pockets. If you mine from the belts there's a good chance the mission won't flag as complete. You can mine from anywhere, as long as you warp to the location before turning in the mission. Iria Ahrens wrote: non rookies should only come into system to help rookies, buy and sell goods, recruit, drop message cans, or request/run missions. I'm sure no one would ever take advantage of the market in rookie systems.
Markets are made to exploit, just don't make it impossible for rookies to complete tutorial missions.
Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
113
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Posted - 2014.04.17 16:55:00 -
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Kronenbourg Strasbourg wrote:TBH as a new player, I noticed the same pilots (with advanced ships) in and around the Amarr training / high-sec areas, mining the hell out of the belts there, day in, day out. Whilst I guess it isn't best practice, the main thing I thought was that it must be an unbelievably boring existence! Mining 0.9 / 1.0 Veldspar 24/7! Can't think of anything worse!
They will most likely be AFK or ISBoxing miners both of which I dislike intensely. Far too many of them around. There has been a massive resurgence in jetcanning as well. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17855
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Posted - 2014.04.17 17:08:00 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:Kronenbourg Strasbourg wrote:TBH as a new player, I noticed the same pilots (with advanced ships) in and around the Amarr training / high-sec areas, mining the hell out of the belts there, day in, day out. Whilst I guess it isn't best practice, the main thing I thought was that it must be an unbelievably boring existence! Mining 0.9 / 1.0 Veldspar 24/7! Can't think of anything worse! They will most likely be AFK or ISBoxing miners both of which I dislike intensely. Far too many of them around. There has been a massive resurgence in jetcanning as well. Sounds like a job for the Knights of the New Order tbh.
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1269
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:06:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:IIRC the tutorial mining sites are all in mission pockets. If you mine from the belts there's a good chance the mission won't flag as complete.
the mining mission spawns a dedicated pocket that you can warp to directly
it has enough rocks in it to complete the mission iirc 1 'real minable asteroid' and 2 'non-minable scenery asteroids'
2 easily killed npc's spawn in just after you start mining the minable rock it's the destruction of these 2 npc frigates that flags the mission as complete and not the collection of the ore |
Carn Astrael
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.04.17 22:47:00 -
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First off thank you for many of these posts. It was very helpful to see the discussion for it helps me as a new player to understand the pros and cons of various aspects of EVE and play. Yes i realized some of this, like how to warp to a source of my already owned objects to get home and to set destination for missoin objectives ...i found the first mining mission did have an already supplied asteroid. I figured out about people mining out once that first post was made and I saw the same ships in each area combing the region for rocks, over and over. I was not happy about it but didnt know what it really was. botting just like other games.
As for bumping, i am grateful for the kindness of the one poster for trying to stop one of these "farmers" ..as i do have 8 more industry missions to go and more beyond that. But i dont want to encourage people to use my thread to learn and share aggressive tactics in excess of my initial post. I am NOT a fan of PVP at all, tho I realize it is part of EVE and i will be as careful as i can to avoid it. It does help to know some of the tactics that I may have to develop counters for.
You mention 11 EVE time as re spawn, what time is that in in US time terms if anyone can tell me? that way i can re visit those astroid pockets I was supposed to learn from .I ended up buying my ore from the market, and that was a good learning experience, i had not realized 1. Setting up a buy order was different and more epensive from buying direct, ie i had to pay the seller fees, 2. you have to GO to the source if it is in another system. Luckily i didn't encounter any baddies as I am not confident of my skills to defend yet.
final note, some "nice" person challenged me to a 'duell just outside the tutorial station. I merely re docked and they went away. Nice guy/gal ... ah well i suspect they knew i was a noob and wanted some fun. not from this rookie.
thanks again for the positive help much appreciated. It helps to know there are people here who WILL help, as it is a bit daunting, i am no noob to space sims as i have collected and played most of them for many years, but this is my first "live" mmo one and i an hopeful to at least complete the 21 trial tour. |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
348
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Posted - 2014.04.17 23:39:00 -
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Generally, if someone is challenging you to a duel, you don't need to dock up. They are being nice giving you the option to refuse. It is the ones that won't take "no" for an answer that force a fight or flight response. It might have even been another newbie trying to get his feet wet in pvp in a "safe" environment. Duels are generally considered "safe" pvp because people usually stop when the first one goes into structure. At least, the people that like to duel do. The players that like to pod you will use dueling as an excuse. But being a newbie in a rookie system, someone attacking you is a petition-able offense.
Once you get out of rookie systems and start playing around in null. Duel challenges are totally different. Often, the person issuing the challenge is just planning to point you long enough for his friends to come in and mop you up. Happens a lot.
Truth is, best thing you can do to improve you eve experience in the long run is to go get blown up a few times, until you realize that getting blown up is no big deal. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Carn Astrael
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:39:00 -
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I still need to insure my ship and get all of the details on updtaing my clone and jump clone. but thanks for that advice appreciate it. I think i understand most of what you say ..except where you said..."getting into structure' which I think means structural damage on my ship? thanks again.
And until i can take the ship control or navigation tutorials or study up i have no clue how to move my ship other than using warp and gate jumps commands. Would not be much good in any ship to ship action. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17929
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:00:00 -
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I'll do these in reverse order.
Carn Astrael wrote:I will plan my learning of mining times for early AM. I may also bump some farmers if i find them. There ARE three police cruisers stationed in Field 2, can I report bum asteroid snaggers to them in game? Concord will be there because somebody committed a criminal act, like making one of those people who hoover up the belts explode . Reporting the hoover-uppers won't work, it's not against the rules but I think many consider it low.
Quote: As for bumping, i am grateful for the kindness of the one poster for trying to stop one of these "farmers" ..as i do have 8 more industry missions to go and more beyond that. But i dont want to encourage people to use my thread to learn and share aggressive tactics in excess of my initial post. I am NOT a fan of PVP at all, tho I realize it is part of EVE and i will be as careful as i can to avoid it. It does help to know some of the tactics that I may have to develop counters for.
Strangely enough the best way to learn how to avoid ship to ship PvP is to actually do it. I've become much more aware of my surroundings after doing a few suicide ganks with the new order guys; against my competition, other miners and industrialists. I've learnt how they operate, where they operate, and what ships and modules they create a lucrative market demand for.
You'll never be immune to PvP, virtually everything you can do in Eve is directly or indirectly in competition with other players. Basically all of the things are PvP in form or another.
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