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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1064
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Posted - 2014.04.17 18:40:00 -
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leavemymomalone idiot wrote:how about CCP making an area of space where it is actually SAFE
No.
Vote for Fuzzy Steve! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4236322
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
111
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Posted - 2014.04.17 18:48:00 -
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As has been pointed out a couple of posts ago, it's already there, it's called Singularity. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17918
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Posted - 2014.04.17 18:53:00 -
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To put it simply, ultrasec would be gamebreaking.
TL;DR Nope
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
697
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Posted - 2014.04.17 18:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sure. Here is a full list of the restrictions that should apply:
-+ You can obviously not lock any player ship. -+ You can't activate any kind of AoE weaponry or module. -+ You can't use the market, contracts or the trading window. -+ You can't access or manage POSes and their services. -+ You can't mine. -+ You can't shoot rats. -+ You can't access any kind of container in space. -+ You can't carry any cargo out of or into a station. -+ You can't use the on-board scanner or scan probes. -+ You can't be in a fleet. -+ You can't use salvagers and similar mini-profession modules. -+ You can't access the industry interface. -+ There will be no access free-floating sites in space. -+ There will be no planets. -+ There will be no station offices or services besides refitting, resculpting, and the NeX. -+ There will be no stargates to the rest of EVE.
That should keep out all the PvP. /Updated
Remove insurance. |
Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
327
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:01:00 -
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It would probably be fair.
If an area of space can exist where anyone and everyone can be killed while flying around, it's only natural that an area of space exist where no one at all can be killed while flying around.
If one extreme can exist, in regards to equilibrium, the other should too.
But of course, this will all fall back on the idea of whether or not fairness should exist within EvE.
Which I'm certain there will be more than enough protests to the suggestion to assume that the idea of fairness, even debate as to what fairness truly is, to reinforce the commonly reoccurring trend of oppression of expressing opinions that differ from the established norm. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21049
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:04:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:But of course, this will all fall back on the idea of whether or not fairness should exist within EvE. Of course it should, which is exactly why such an area can't and never will exist. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
327
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:But of course, this will all fall back on the idea of whether or not fairness should exist within EvE. Of course it should, which is exactly why such an area can't and never will exist.
Which is of course, your opinion. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
148
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:06:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:It would probably be fair.
If an area of space can exist where anyone and everyone can be killed while flying around, it's only natural that an area of space exist where no one at all can be killed while flying around.
If one extreme can exist, in regards to equilibrium, the other should too.
But of course, this will all fall back on the idea of whether or not fairness should exist within EvE.
Which I'm certain there will be more than enough protests to the suggestion to assume that the idea of fairness, even debate as to what fairness truly is, to reinforce the commonly reoccurring trend of oppression towards expressing opinions that differ from the established norm. That last sentence madre absolutely no sense.
Then again, if you want ultrasec ir whatever, you have to consider the impact on the player base, economy and content. What exactly would this idea of yours do to those 3 elements of eve? This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
35
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sure. Here is a full list of the restrictions that should apply:
-+ You can obviously not lock any player ship. -+ You can't activate any kind of AoE weaponry or module. -+ You can't use the market, contracts or the trading window. -+ You can't access or manage POSes and their services. -+ You can't mine. -+ You can't shoot rats. -+ You can't access any kind of container in space. -+ You can't carry any cargo out of or into a station. -+ You can't use the on-board scanner or scan probes. -+ You can't be in a fleet. -+ You can't use salvagers and similar mini-profession modules. -+ You can't access the industry interface. -+ There will be no access free-floating sites in space. -+ There will be no planets. -+ There will be no station offices or services besides refitting, resculpting, and the NeX.
That should keep out all the PvP.
But you can run missions! I think this would satisfy the vast majority of carebears. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
374
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:11:00 -
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TL;D... so... this is actually a Too Long, Don't Give a Flying **** About The Replies.
To the OP:
This was addressed a few days ago in another post/blog (no I don't have a link) in the Noob systems, interfering with the NPE is bannable. So there you go. You already have protected area's. Once you leave them, you are fair game.
Honestly, all CCP needs to do is clearly mark a new account as a noob for like a week or until they finish the NPE or wander out of system x. I.E. you make a new account it is clearly maked as a noob account. If you cancle the NPE then you are saying "no I don't need to RTFM feed me to the wolves!" and are fair game. While doing the NPE/Tutorial you are marked as 'NOOB DON;T MESS WITH!' Once he NPE finishes you are no longer flagged. If you make an account and don't do the NPE during the first week i.e. you sit in the noob station and talk smack or trade or whatever, and don't cancle the tutorial, you are then unflagged.
And finally, if you go outside the new system, unless the NPE says to, you are unflagged.
Just mearly flagging would reduce some of the attackes.
Is what I said needed? No, not at all. EvE is a harsh world, the sooner noobs learn that, the better. But they do need a chance to get there bearings. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21050
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:13:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Which is of course, your opinion. Nope. It's a good old fact of how the game is designed. I know you have this fondness for thinking that my opinions are the exact same thing as facts, but you need to learn to distinguish the two.
Organic Lager wrote:But you can run missions! I think this would satisfy the vast majority of carebears. Sure. Missions where you can't bring or deliver any cargo, nor shoot any rats or mine any asteroids. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1704
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:14:00 -
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Ya'll being baited like suckers. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
327
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Which is of course, your opinion. Nope. It's a good old fact of how the game is designed. I know you have this fondness for thinking that my opinions are the exact same thing as facts, but you need to learn to distinguish the two.
You're confusing me with your self. It is you who displays a fondness of thinking your opinions are the exact same thing as facts as you just proved by stating your opinion was a fact again.
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17918
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:17:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:Tippia wrote:Sure. Here is a full list of the restrictions that should apply:
-+ You can obviously not lock any player ship. -+ You can't activate any kind of AoE weaponry or module. -+ You can't use the market, contracts or the trading window. -+ You can't access or manage POSes and their services. -+ You can't mine. -+ You can't shoot rats. -+ You can't access any kind of container in space. -+ You can't carry any cargo out of or into a station. -+ You can't use the on-board scanner or scan probes. -+ You can't be in a fleet. -+ You can't use salvagers and similar mini-profession modules. -+ You can't access the industry interface. -+ There will be no access free-floating sites in space. -+ There will be no planets. -+ There will be no station offices or services besides refitting, resculpting, and the NeX.
That should keep out all the PvP. But you can run missions! I think this would satisfy the vast majority of carebears. Which missions would you be running?
Bolded and italicised the bits that would prevent it, for your convenience; station services includes mission agents, of all types, btw.
Think before you post
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Jim Era
8514
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:19:00 -
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I ate at an Ihop Xpress today in a mall...I don't recommend it.
WatGäó |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21050
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:19:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:You're confusing me with your self. Nope. You're the one who keeps claiming that facts are the same as my opinions. It's very sweet and flattering, but you still need to learn the distinction. In particular, you need to learn what a fact is and what the facts of any particular subject matter are.
So: the fact is that, due to the fairness design of the game, such an area can't and never will exist. If you don't understand why this is a fact, just ask GÇö don't choose to remain wilfully ignorant by trying to equate it with an opinion. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4632
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:21:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:I ate at an Ihop Xpress today in a mall...I don't recommend it.
That could qualify as a form of torture in some countries, much like this thread. My condolences.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
148
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:23:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Organic Lager wrote:Tippia wrote:Sure. Here is a full list of the restrictions that should apply:
-+ You can obviously not lock any player ship. -+ You can't activate any kind of AoE weaponry or module. -+ You can't use the market, contracts or the trading window. -+ You can't access or manage POSes and their services. -+ You can't mine. -+ You can't shoot rats. -+ You can't access any kind of container in space. -+ You can't carry any cargo out of or into a station. -+ You can't use the on-board scanner or scan probes. -+ You can't be in a fleet. -+ You can't use salvagers and similar mini-profession modules. -+ You can't access the industry interface. -+ There will be no access free-floating sites in space. -+ There will be no planets. -+ There will be no station offices or services besides refitting, resculpting, and the NeX.
That should keep out all the PvP. But you can run missions! I think this would satisfy the vast majority of carebears. Which missions would you be running? Bolded and italicised the bits that would prevent it, for your convenience; station services includes mission agents, of all types, btw. Think before you post well that's just tipia expressing his opinion a bit out of proportion to what op suggested. Iirc, hauling an item does not give you any sort of flag, so there is that.
I find it funny how the OP said you can't lock a player ship, but runs incursions. Did he forget how to logi?
This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17918
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:25:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:I ate at an Ihop Xpress today in a mall...I don't recommend it.
Good job they used an uppercase i at the start of their name, a lower case i would obviously be grounds for being sued by Apple for trademark infringement.
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Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
35
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Organic Lager wrote:But you can run missions! I think this would satisfy the vast majority of carebears. Sure. Missions where you can't bring or deliver any cargo, nor shoot any rats or mine any asteroids.
Ah Tippia classic black and white with you. We all know the OP is referring to a zone much like in wow where players can't attack each other. This does not include stealing other players rats, drops, astroids or under cutting their sell orders.
To question your trolling, by your logic why wouldn't one be allowed to collect cargo, shoot rats or mine in their own little dead space mission pocket.
You also forgot to remove chat wouldn't want text pvp to happen |
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Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
327
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:You're confusing me with your self. Nope. You're the one who keeps claiming that facts are the same as my opinions. It's very sweet and flattering, but you still need to learn the distinction. In particular, you need to learn what a fact is and what the facts of any particular subject matter are. So: the fact is that, due to the fairness design of the game, such an area can't and never will exist.
Which is dependent upon your idea of fairness. Making it an opinion.
Opinion - a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
I labled your statement as an opinion. Your response was "Nope." Now considering the definition of opinion, well your statement was a view or judgement, so the "Nope." can't apply to it. It was about something, so the "nope" can't apply to that either. Meaning the "Nope." has to apply to the part of your disagreeance on opinion being the fact and knowledge aspect. Considering it's an attempt to predict the future, you can suppose, but you can't know. And since it hasn't happened yet, there's no possibility for it to be a fact. Highly likely, perhaps. Not likely at all, perhaps. But you can't know it, so what you feel you do know is just your belief in your own opinion.
There goes Tippia again, believing his opinions are facts. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2086
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:29:00 -
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Yes nerf highsec. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17919
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:30:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:Tippia wrote:Organic Lager wrote:But you can run missions! I think this would satisfy the vast majority of carebears. Sure. Missions where you can't bring or deliver any cargo, nor shoot any rats or mine any asteroids. Ah Tippia classic black and white with you. We all know the OP is referring to a zone much like in wow where players can't attack each other. This does not include stealing other players rats, drops, astroids or under cutting their sell orders. To question your trolling, by your logic why wouldn't one be allowed to collect cargo, shoot rats or mine in their own little dead space mission pocket. You also forgot to remove chat wouldn't want text pvp to happen A totally safe area suggests no PvP of any kind, 99% of what you can do in Eve is in competition, indirectly or directly, with other players including ratting, missioning, trading, mining, etc.
Ergo PvP.
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Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
148
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:31:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:You're confusing me with your self. Nope. You're the one who keeps claiming that facts are the same as my opinions. It's very sweet and flattering, but you still need to learn the distinction. In particular, you need to learn what a fact is and what the facts of any particular subject matter are. So: the fact is that, due to the fairness design of the game, such an area can't and never will exist. Which is dependent upon your idea of fairness. Making it an opinion. Opinion - a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. I labled your statement as an opinion. Your response was "Nope." Now considering the definition of opinion, well your statement was a view or judgement, so the "Nope." can't apply to it. It was about something, so the "nope" can't apply to that either. Meaning the "Nope." has to apply to the part of your disagreeance on opinion being the fact and knowledge aspect. Considering it's an attempt to predict the future, you can suppose, but you can't know. And since it hasn't happened yet, there's no possibility for it to be a fact. Highly likely, perhaps. Not likely at all, perhaps. But you can't know it, so what you feel you do know is just your belief in your own opinion. There goes Tippia again, believing his opinions are facts. Although logical, it serves no purpose. Tipia's word is the definition of truth, in his eyes, and nothing you do will sway his opinion.
Now, back to the subject matter. How would ultrasec impact the market, playerbase, and content creation of the game as a whole? This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21051
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:32:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:Iirc, hauling an item does not give you any sort of flag, so there is that. No, but it lets you affect the game state of other players and thus compete with them, which qualifies it as a disallowed PvP action.
Organic Lager wrote:Ah Tippia classic black and white with you. We all know the OP is referring to a zone much like in wow where players can't attack each other. This does not include stealing other players rats, drops, astroids or under cutting their sell orders. Yes, we know that, and we also know that PvP in EVE goes way beyond just attacking people. If you want a zone where other people can't affect you, you can't be allowed to affect other players in any way. Any loophole createsGǪ wellGǪ a loophole that will be exploited to hell and back to gain unbeatable advantages.
Quote:To question your trolling, by your logic why wouldn't one be allowed to collect cargo, shoot rats or mine in their own little dead space mission pocket. Of course not. Largely because there would be no dead-space pockets, and also because they'd be given unfair advantages over their competition if any of those were allowed.
Quote:You also forgot to remove chat wouldn't want text pvp to happen I actually had that on my general GÇ£pvp switchGÇ¥ list, but I left it out here because it doesn't affect the game state or ability to counter-PvP unless it happens in areas where local matter GÇö the universal removal of attacks already makes it meaningless for that purpose. But sure, we could add it back in for good measure and to satisfy a wider definition of PvP. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21051
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:33:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Which is dependent upon your idea of fairness. Nope.
Quote:There goes Tippia again, believing his opinions are facts. Nope. You're the only one equating the two by trying to say that facts are the same thing as my opinion.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
148
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Which is dependent upon your idea of fairness. Nope. If it was dependant on my idea of fairness, highsec would hardly even exist. Quote:There goes Tippia again, believing his opinions are facts. Nope. You're the only one equating the two by trying to say that facts are the same thing as my opinion. Let me put a stop to your ****. this text is bolded is a fact. Its not relative to your or my point of view, and if you go into the code, you will find the instruction to have said text bolded. And that, is what is known as a fact. What you are doing is stating your opinion. Unless you can prove it as fact, by citing it'source. You think you are cute, but you only manage to derail conversations by tossing logic aside and playing with words. You are entitled to your opinion, but stop trying to convince us it's fact. Or, prove it is indeed a fact. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21052
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:42:00 -
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Erufen Rito wrote:Let me put a stop to your ****. this text is bolded is a fact. Its not relative to your or my point of view, and if you go into the code, you will find the instruction to have said text bolded. And that, is what is known as a fact. What you are doing is stating your opinion. No, I'm stating facts about how the game works, in particular how all opportunities of interaction are inherently reciprocal.
This idea, and indeed any idea about not participating in PvP, relies on removing that reciprocity in actions and effects. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos
345
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:44:00 -
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I fully support this idea as long as it prevent threads like this from being created in the future. |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
149
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Erufen Rito wrote:Let me put a stop to your ****. this text is bolded is a fact. Its not relative to your or my point of view, and if you go into the code, you will find the instruction to have said text bolded. And that, is what is known as a fact. What you are doing is stating your opinion. No, I'm stating facts about how the game works, in particular how all opportunities of interaction are inherently reciprocal. This idea, and indeed any idea about not participating in PvP, relies on removing that reciprocity in actions and effects. Once again, no you aren't. Its your opinion, and that's fine. Its not a fact. Unless you can prove it. I said earlier that mission hauling did not flagged you, and you said something about market PvP. That, for starters, is not what the OP said, thus has no place in this conversation, along with several of the points you pulled out of your ass. Second, mission hauling aka courier missions do not place items on the market. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
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