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Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
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Posted - 2014.04.22 10:14:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Wrong. The Vikings were pirates who terrorised Europe, as were the Sea Peoples who terrorised the Eastern Mediterranean, both indiscriminately attacked anything that moved for entertainment as well as profit.
Once again Eve piracy seems to fit in fairly well with the pirates of old.
You had a go at Hollywood's distorted image of things only to give me this mindless bloodthirsty vikings thing ...
I'm a bit of a history buff, and a sentence that begins with "the Vikings were pirates" makes me scream inside too. Pirates of the golden age of piracy were pirates, it was their occupation. The Vikings were a seafaring people, they cultivated land, built houses, raised children, etc they were not 'pirates' in any useful sense. As a people, particularly during the so called Viking age, they also explored foreign lands and engaged in trade and war. They raided towns, sieged cities, fought enemy armies, killed and pillaged and enslaved people and colonized land that wasn't theirs. I could be speaking of just about any warlike people in just the same way though, whether empires like Rome or lose powers like the Gauls, neither of which you would even think of calling pirates. Naturally, being a seafaring people Vikings used boats a lot, to transport goods or military assets. So yeah, Vikings used boats...
As for the 'Sea Peoples who terrorised the Eastern Mediterranean', the only thing that it even evokes to me is a very weakly documented history on some mysterious seafaring people at the end of the bronze age. If you do mean those, you know more than historians. If not, I have no idea what you're talking about. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18081
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:23:00 -
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Oshia Launay wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Wrong. The Vikings were pirates who terrorised Europe, as were the Sea Peoples who terrorised the Eastern Mediterranean, both indiscriminately attacked anything that moved for entertainment as well as profit.
Once again Eve piracy seems to fit in fairly well with the pirates of old.
You had a go at Hollywood's distorted image of things only to give me this mindless bloodthirsty vikings thing ... I'm a bit of a history buff, and a sentence that begins with "the Vikings were pirates" makes me scream inside too. Pirates of the golden age of piracy were pirates, it was their occupation. The Vikings were a seafaring people, they cultivated land, built houses, raised children, etc they were not 'pirates' in any useful sense. As a people, particularly during the so called Viking age, they also explored foreign lands and engaged in trade and war. They raided towns, sieged cities, fought enemy armies, killed and pillaged and enslaved people and colonized land that wasn't theirs. I could be speaking of just about any warlike people in just the same way though, whether empires like Rome or lose powers like the Gauls, neither of which you would even think of calling pirates. Naturally, being a seafaring people Vikings used boats a lot, to transport goods or military assets. So yeah, Vikings used boats... As for the 'Sea Peoples who terrorised the Eastern Mediterranean', the only thing that it even evokes to me is very weakly documented history on some mysterious seafaring people at the end of the bronze age. If you do mean those, you know more than historians. If not, I have no idea what you're talking about. Obviously you're not the history buff you think you are. It is historical fact that the Vikings indulged in piracy, numerous accounts from the Roman Empire of them doing so appear in the history books. It is also historical fact that the Sea Peoples also indulged in piracy, as documented, in stone and on papyrus, by the Egyptians of the time
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Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:10:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Obviously you're not the history buff you think you are. It is historical fact that the Vikings were considered to be pirates, numerous accounts from the Roman Empire and later appear in the history books. Interesting, considering the "Roman Empire" collapsed some three centuries before Vikings emerged as a Scandinavian power. Well, no doubt you meant some offshoot of the Roman Empire ...
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Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:08:00 -
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Oshia Launay wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Obviously you're not the history buff you think you are. It is historical fact that the Vikings were considered to be pirates, numerous accounts from the Roman Empire and later appear in the history books. Interesting, considering the "Roman Empire" collapsed some three centuries before Vikings emerged as a Scandinavian power. Well, no doubt you meant some offshoot of the Roman Empire ...
While it's a bit off topic... The Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire, not an offshoot - they had even received the crown of the Western Empire at it's final collapse.
While modern historians often refer to it as the Byzantine Empire, or Eastern Roman Empire, it was still referred to at the time and by it's people as the Basileia Rhomaion. (Roman Empire.)
They had quite a few dealings with the Vikings, most directly with the Kievan Rus, but with other groups as well. |
Tengu Grib
Maniacal Laughter Ltd.
48
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Posted - 2014.04.22 16:16:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Oshia Launay wrote:Maybe it was different years ago, but your average player/corps/alliance that call themselves pirates seem to be nothing but gankers looking to pad their killmails with easy no-risk kills at lowsec gate camps. No code, no honour. You do realise that traditional piracy usually consisted of attacking lightly/ unarmed vessels, as in no to low risk, for profit don't you? Eve piracy is fairly consistent with the traditional form of piracy. Pirates rarely attacked anything they didn't outgun, and would run if confronted with heavily armed vessels. The romantic hollywood image of pirates is utter horseshit.
They also rarely stole things like gold, jewels and coins. Much more frequently they stole more practical things like food, fresh water, and medical supplies. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever.
SolidX > i'm an alt IRL |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
916
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Posted - 2014.04.22 16:45:00 -
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The Viking Laws (as told by Lord Razpataz in his interview).
-º 1 Be brave and aggressive
* Be Direct * Grab all opportunities * Use varying methods of attack * Be versatile and agile * Attack one target at a time * Don't plan everything in detail * Use top quality weapons
-º 2 Be prepared
* Keep weapons in good condition * Keep in shape * Find good battle comrades * Agree on important points * Choose ONE chief
-º 3 Be a good merchant
* Find out what the market needs * Don't make a promise you can't keep * Don't demand overpayment * Arrange things so that you can return
-º 4 Keep the camp in order
* Keep things tidy and organized * Arrange enjoyable activities that strengthen the group * Make sure everyone does useful work * Consult all members of the group for advice
Would you like to know more? |
Thellero Orlenard
Omicron Frontier Exploration New Eden Commonwealth
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Posted - 2014.04.23 04:49:00 -
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The Rules wrote:Generally, the terms are thus (though make sure they are covered during the ransom negotiation):
1. Ransomed ship can leave, with cargo intact through nearest exit gate or to dock up at the nearest station.
2. A pilot and his ship, after paying a ransom fee is general left alone for 15 minutes. This is very general. If he or she comes back to the belt or a mission in a faction fitted Kronos just to 'finish' up the rats - expect a second, substantially higher ransom!
3. Ransoms will be reasonable based on the age of the pilot, the ship he is flying, the fittings on the ship and the cargo carried. The latter two can easily be ascertained by using ship and cargo scanners. You will not simple pick a number and add six billion to it. We, as pirates need to get paid! A high figure will result in non-payment and ship destruction.
4. If a ransom is NOT agreed or the pilot simply ignores our attempts to contact them during the hi-jack/kidnap then you will have no qualms in applying sufficient destructive power to pulverise ship. You will always attempt to capture and ransom the pod once it has been freed from the confines of the ship. |
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2014.04.23 08:54:00 -
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While I'm more of a (casual) ganker instead of a pirate and don't have any real 'code of honor' I make it a habit being somewhat courteous towards my (potential) victims, even if they're seldom courteous themselves. And I don't lie, if I tell them something, it's the truth. Information that I do not want disclosed, I simply do not share it but I never lie about it.
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
143
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Posted - 2014.04.23 10:57:00 -
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I've not had much luck with ransoms mainly because I'm usually shaking like a cracked-out weasel until their ship explodes. There was that time a Brave Newbie said that if I let him go he'd come back in another Thorax so we could keep PvP'ing. Instead, I offered him a quick trip to his medical station but he never came back. So rude.
Carebears usually expect pirates/mercs to be rude and obnoxious trolls... and while there certainly is room for that... it's been my experience that being polite, courteous and informative irritates them beyond belief.
I also like collecting the corpses. Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Autumn Shepard
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
16
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Posted - 2014.04.24 00:19:00 -
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I wouldn't say I have a strong code of honour, I'm very opportunistic in picking targets. However I do say honouring 1v1's is important, the more 1v1's you honour the more that are likely to come around.
I also will add that if I kill a pilot that has a terrible fit/clearly new, I'll often replace their ship with isk and send them a mail with fitting advice for their next purchase. As after all, if you make it a good experience for them to lose their ship they'll want to come back and do it again. And in my eyes the more pvp'ers there are in ls the better, means more targets and content for me, and most importantly better fights. S T R A T C O M is open for recruiting. Check the Link bellow for details.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4235980#post4235980 |
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1
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Posted - 2014.04.24 01:05:00 -
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Hon.. Hono... is that even a proper word? |
Graabeerd Khagah
ImaNicePirate.com Ideal Society
135
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Posted - 2014.04.30 06:00:00 -
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Thank you all so kindly for this information. While I can attest to the fact I have a lot to learn yet, I will keep this in mind. Again thank you all graciously!! |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
1216
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Posted - 2014.04.30 10:39:00 -
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This thread is full of it.
The most honorable individuals in new Eden.
As someone in this thread (Tara) already pointed out, if you want to do ransom buissness you need to be accountable to your word.
Honor ransoms and do not promise what you are not willing to at least fight for.
If you are not interested in ransoms and just want booty (beware of the pun) then grab it and shoot...not neccessarily in this order.
It has to be said in all clearness: piracy is not pvp.
Piracy is killing ships that are easy but valuable targets. Piracy is efficiency. It is not about how well you fight when you camp silk roads - its about what you can gain. You want to earn more loot than you loose in ships.
I would not strictly outrule suicide gankers as pirates. They commit a decent amount of time in planing a gank and looting the field and it can be done in very profitable manner. I actually tip my head of highsec suicide ganking because there is usually a high amount of organisation behind such ops. We ganked tens of thousands of ships and pods on gates or in belts during the last years, and trust me it never gets old. We also let go of many for a decent ransom and always honored it.
And then there are people that do nothing of the above and just kill everything for fun, take ransoms without honoring (principle of the greater fool I guess), which in my eyes is not more than a scam - they might be considered pirates as well - just not very good ones. I would rather qualify them as ordinary criminals within new Eden (which is not meant as a vilification btw).
If you want to be a pirate or a criminal is totally on you.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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