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Brandy Orion
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:34:00 -
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This thread was created some time ago and received and pretty hefty amount of responses and likes from the community https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4198527#post4198527
Since this post, it is unfortunate to see that the trolling on the EVE-O forums has only gotten worse and more unchecked. I don't want to make this long so I'll get right to the points:
- The trolling on EVE-O forums is getting worse and has been for some time. - Most players who attempt to discuss an idea or thought on the forums are berated, trolled and insulted for their efforts. - Most of these players then leave the forums after a few posts due to the trolling, insults and/or lack of help they recieved. - The majority of the playerbase is not represented on the forums as a result of this. - The majority of the regulars on the forums are trolls as a result of this. - Discussion about new ideas and features is therefore mostly done by trolls. - The "community discussion" that is reviewed by the devs is therefore in fact incomplete.
Until the ISDs start outright muting/banning people from the forums this pattern will continue and proper, reasonable discussion involving the majority of the community will never happen.
The TOS/EULA allows for these bans/mutes. Take a look at the posts for user "PotatoOverdose". There are 20+ EULA/TOS infractions there. Take a look at the posts for user "Unsuccessful at Everything". Look, I think he's funny too. It doesn't mean there aren't 100+ EULA/TOS infraction there.
There's a reason why most of the changes that have occurred over the past few years have not been well received by the community; it's because the devs are increasingly unaware of what the community wants. Awareness comes through communication, which cannot happen until your consumers are motivated to communicate. In it's current state, only trolls or incredibly thick-skinned debaters are willing to have discussions in this - as was put best - cesspool of EVE Online.
Thanks for reading. Now let's set back and watch as the replies to my thread only prove my point further.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2094
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:35:00 -
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Restricting NPC corps to New Citizens and character trading forums would be a great start.
Also nerfing highsec would help this as well. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
714
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:37:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/1MPxY.gif
Getting in early on this one. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4946
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:38:00 -
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I feel left out at not having been mentioned. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4654
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:40:00 -
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something.. something.., and I'm all out of popcorn.
Isn't the CSM representing player interests/concerns?
Don't the Devs work/look in very specific forum areas (not GD) for feedback? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1491
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:41:00 -
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Brandy Orion wrote:Proper, reasonable discussion. Please define "Proper, reasonable discussion." Does it include any of the following: (1) discussion of moderation, (2) discussion of afk cloaking, or (3) removing sandbox elements from hisec?
(1) is outright banned on the forums. (2) is heavily frowned upon due to the repetitive nature of the topic, I believe there is a post somewhere which attempted to aggregate all of the hundreds (if not thousands) of afk cloaking threads. Repetitive threads are bad, and against the rules. (3) is in much the same category as (2) with several threads on the frontpage ongoing, and (probably) thousands of repetitive threads on the topic have been made in the last year alone. |
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs
414
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:41:00 -
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I find it amusing OP's point is proven right out of the gate.
How about "dislike" votes? Would social stigma be enough to curtail trolling? [/sarcasm] |
Muestereate
Minions LLC
305
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:41:00 -
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Making General Discussion Faction standings related would go a long way |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
620
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:41:00 -
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We should have a Councle to talk to CCP about their plans for new and revamped content. It should be elected from members of the player base, and from every part of the game, and gameplay style. I wonder what we should call such a councle? "it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
387
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:44:00 -
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Well... IZ is gone so that's an improvement.
If we managed to kick the other few haters, liars, hypocrites too there woupd again be room for better threads without senseless idiots crapping into it.
Trolling is much less of an issue than people like these, because while trolling creates laughs for a few, (somtimes many) haters ONLY create more hatred.
One down, a few more to go. |
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Brandy Orion
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:46:00 -
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So: The first 4 players who replied to this thread have 15+ EULA/TOS infractions in their posts from the past few months alone. In fact if you asked me before this thread to type out names of 12 trolls from the forums I could randomly think of, all 4 of these players would be on the list.
You will find this to be typical of these players; they will enter a thread and immediately respond as fast as they can independent of the content of the post (both theirs and the OP;;s). This is because they are trying to post their troll remark first, which gives them a better chance of being high-fived by the troll community in the form of a "like".
Keep proving my point gentlemen. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1494
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:48:00 -
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Brandy Orion wrote: "PotatoOverdose". There are 20+ EULA/TOS infractions there. Take a look at the posts for user "Unsuccessful at Everything". Look, I think he's funny too. It doesn't mean there aren't 100+ EULA/TOS infraction there.
Note to self: Always read the entire wall of text from now on. Shots fired, this warrants a thorough response. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
391
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:49:00 -
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Actually, after reconsideration, the whole OP is promoting more hatred than anything and is FULL of assumptions.
IZ alt detected.
Ban OP, gas thread. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
391
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:50:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Brandy Orion wrote: "PotatoOverdose". There are 20+ EULA/TOS infractions there. Take a look at the posts for user "Unsuccessful at Everything". Look, I think he's funny too. It doesn't mean there aren't 100+ EULA/TOS infraction there.
Note to self: Always read the entire wall of text from now on. Shots fired, this warrants a thorough response. The one thing that helps me most...
Speedreading.
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Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
716
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:51:00 -
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Brandy Orion wrote:So: The first 4 players who replied to this thread have 15+ EULA/TOS infractions in their posts from the past few months alone. In fact if you asked me before this thread to type out names of 12 trolls from the forums I could randomly think of, all 4 of these players would be on the list.
You will find this to be typical of these players; they will enter a thread and immediately respond as fast as they can independent of the content of the post (both theirs and the OP;;s). This is because they are trying to post their troll remark first, which gives them a better chance of being high-fived by the troll community in the form of a "like".
Keep proving my point gentlemen.
I'm one of the friendliest posters on this forum, I'm not your problem.
You're showing more hostility than most of the posters you've mentioned so far, just to let you know. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
12396
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:57:00 -
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Brandy Orion wrote:Take a look at the posts for user "Unsuccessful at Everything". Look, I think he's funny too. It doesn't mean there aren't 100+ EULA/TOS infraction there.
Really? I had no clue. No clue at all. That just amazes me. I'm shocked.
You really find me funny? Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1497
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Posted - 2014.04.18 01:59:00 -
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Part 1 Alright, let's go through your points, shall we?
Brandy Orion wrote: Since this post, it is unfortunate to see that the trolling on the EVE-O forums has only gotten worse and more unchecked. I don't want to make this long so I'll get right to the points:
Subjective, please provide a source.
Brandy Orion wrote: - The trolling on EVE-O forums is getting worse and has been for some time. - Most players who attempt to discuss an idea or thought on the forums are berated, trolled and insulted for their efforts. - Most of these players then leave the forums after a few posts due to the trolling, insults and/or lack of help they recieved.
You repeated yourself. You levied an accusation against so-called "trolls", again no sources or evidence provided.
Brandy Orion wrote: - The majority of the playerbase is not represented on the forums as a result of this.
The bolded part is correct; however, the provided "cause" has absolutely no supporting evidence provided whatsoever. Like in every other videogame community out there, most players do not visit the forums. This is not something unique to Eve or caused by the forums as such.
Brandy Orion wrote: - The "community discussion" that is reviewed by the devs is therefore in fact incomplete.
As it is in every game, but that's why we have the CSM which is advertised in your launcher.
Too many quotes, Part 2 Coming soon. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:03:00 -
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This is an ad for part 2.
Drink Pepsi.
End of ad. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1507
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:04:00 -
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Checking in.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Brandy Orion
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:04:00 -
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30 likes spread through here; I wonder how many were alts of forum alts that posted in this thread.
FYI I'm not reading the responses to this thread for obvious reasons, however I do implore you folk to keep proving my point if you'd be so kind. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4952
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:06:00 -
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Hold on a minute here.
Massive subjectivity...
Unsubstantiated claims...
Accusations of alt-ism...
Recently made NPC Corp character...
Yep. Infinity Ziona alt. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1514
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:07:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yep. Infinity Ziona alt.
Ziona.
Is that you?
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1504
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:08:00 -
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Part 2
Brandy Orion wrote: Until the ISDs start outright muting/banning people from the forums this pattern will continue and proper, reasonable discussion involving the majority of the community will never happen.
Until you provide reasonable criteria for what constitutes "proper, reasonable discussion," this sounds like nothing more than "ISD should ban everyone that disagrees with me." Please clarify what you mean by "proper, reasonable discussion," preferably with examples.
Brandy Orion wrote: Until the ISDs start outright muting/banning....The TOS/EULA allows for these bans/mutes. Take a look at the posts for user "PotatoOverdose". There are 20+ EULA/TOS infractions there. Take a look at the posts for user "Unsuccessful at Everything". Look, I think he's funny too. It doesn't mean there aren't 100+ EULA/TOS infraction there.
This is again false, the ISD have no authority to ban anyone. More unsupported lies. As to the personal accusation leveled against me: It is up to the sole discretion of CCP to ban or not ban myself and anyone else from the forums or the game. It is not your place to judge, it is theirs, and theirs alone.
Brandy Orion wrote: There's a reason why most of the changes that have occurred over the past few years have not been well received by the community;
Source? Or another unsupported lie?
So, a host of unsupported and deceptive claims have been presented, personal accusations have been directed, and I'm the one trolling? Did you even read your own post?
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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1514
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:09:00 -
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Brandy Orion wrote:30 likes spread through here; I wonder how many were alts of forum alts that posted in this thread. FYI I'm not reading the responses to this thread for obvious reasons, however I do implore you folk to keep proving my point if you'd be so kind. How would I know you're proving my point, you might ask? You're that obvious.
The likes are much like the likes in the like thread that was posted last night by Ziona to garner likes.
We work in tandem.
Cut off one head, two shall take it's place.
Hail Hydra, ofc.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Muestereate
Minions LLC
306
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:10:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Brandy Orion wrote:Take a look at the posts for user "Unsuccessful at Everything". Look, I think he's funny too. It doesn't mean there aren't 100+ EULA/TOS infraction there. Really? I had no clue. No clue at all. That just amazes me. I'm shocked. You really find me funny?
No but you are tolerable and that is "Bad" |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1603
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:11:00 -
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Tonight, at 11:
Carebears now insist that being told to post their ideas in the right forum is, in fact, a form of griefing and harassment. A carebear spokesman also insisted that when someone complains about gifts or says something dumb, nobody should let them know they're annoying everyone.
The overwhelming response from pirates and other upright New Eden citizens was that the carebears should HTFU, and stop taking simple criticism or corrections as personal attacks. Carebears responded by evemailing death threats and claiming to have had sexual relations with the pirates' mothers and girlfriends. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4952
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:14:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote: Carebears responded by evemailing death threats and claiming to have had sexual relations with the pirates' mothers and girlfriends.
You forgot the wishful predictions of ass cancer. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1527
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:16:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote: Carebears responded by evemailing death threats and claiming to have had sexual relations with the pirates' mothers and girlfriends. You forgot the wishful predictions of ass cancer.
Pfft.
That is so two-three weeks ago.
I am more worried about biker bouncer, dog wielding, eye gouging madmen who have strange obsessions post after post with pedophilia.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1175
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:18:00 -
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Excessive tears from a forum alt?
CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....." |
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1527
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:20:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Excessive tears from a suspected IZ forum alt?
FTFY
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
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