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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:39:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Sure, there are things like fanfest causing the usual annual spike in the same way that real economies don't increase at exactly the same rate every single day of the year
Prove it.
Show me a +100mil increase in PLEX price in the months before every Fanfest for the last years. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:41:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Sure, there are things like fanfest causing the usual annual spike in the same way that real economies don't increase at exactly the same rate every single day of the year Prove it. Show me a +100mil increase in PLEX price in the months before every Fanfest for the last years.
Only if you show me figures showing the difference in the number of PLEX in the market now compared to it over the last few years
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:42:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Only if you show me figures showing the difference in the number of PLEX in the market now compared to it over the last few years
I dont have those figures.
So, Ramona.
So what causes PLEX price to rise? ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:45:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Only if you show me figures showing the difference in the number of PLEX in the market now compared to it over the last few years I dont have those figures. So, Ramona. So what causes PLEX price to rise?
I already said, find it in a previous post *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:48:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:I already said, find it in a previous post
Reduced supply?
So why are less people buying PLEX from CCP, even though the value in ISK is higher than EVER before? Surely according to your logic, their should be MORE PLEX on the market now, than ever before?
PS: Can you feel already how you will lose this argument? How your position is silly? Does that enrage you further? ------------ |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:55:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Sure, there are things like fanfest causing the usual annual spike in the same way that real economies don't increase at exactly the same rate every single day of the year Prove it. Show me a +100mil increase in PLEX price in the months before every Fanfest for the last years. Fanfest is only ONE cause of spikes. Right now, alongside fanfest tickets you have ship skins which convert a lot of plex to aurum, and this is following directly after the "activate an account and get your alts name onto a monument" burst.
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I already said, find it in a previous post Reduced supply? So why are less people buying PLEX from CCP, even though the value in ISK is higher than EVER before? Surely according to your logic, their should be MORE PLEX on the market now, than ever before? PS: Can you feel already how you will lose this argument? How your position is silly? Does that enrage you further? Or increased demand. You seem to think the only possible way that supply can be depleted is because nobody is buying PLEX for cash. I can;t see any reason why it's not the other way, that PLEX is simply being used more, depleting the supply at a rate above normal. Get used to it though, PLEX prices have increased pretty steadily and are likely to continue to do so. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:58:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:PLEX prices have increased pretty steadily and are likely to continue to do so.
Thanks for contradicting your own point and faceplanting like a turd from a dog's buttocks.
PLEX price increase recently is nothing if NOT unsteady compared to previous gradient.
You completely destroyed your own point. I love it how it takes no effort with you, whatsoever. You self-destruct. Post after post. Its like a windmill of /facepalms. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:58:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Reduced supply?
Please quote where I said that, if thats what you think I said *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:59:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
PLEX price increase recently is nothing if NOT unsteady compared to previous gradient.
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Use of a double-negative You completely destroyed your own point. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:59:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Please quote where I said that, if thats what you think I said
Are you saying there is not a reduced supply of PLEX?
Ramona McCandless wrote:Use of a double-negative You completely destroyed your own point.
It was in format and consistent with his own double-negative. ------------ |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3560
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:02:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Please quote where I said that, if thats what you think I said Are you saying there is not a reduced supply of PLEX?
You said I said it, so please, show me where
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
It was in format and consistent with his own double-negative.
And? So both your points are destroyed then? Cool I can live with a little blue on blue *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:04:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:---
What, in your opinion, is the cause of the current dramatic and unprecedented increase in PLEX price? ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3560
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:06:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:--- What, in your opinion, is the cause of the current dramatic and unprecedented increase in PLEX price?
I dont think there is a dramatic and unprecendent rise.
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
3057
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:06:00 -
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a price spike is hardly unprecedented |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:10:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:I dont think there is a dramatic and unprecendent rise.
So a 17% rise since December, is not a dramatic or unprecedented rise in your opinion.
Ok,
Post referenced for lols and vindication when PLEX hits 1bil at the end of summer. ------------ |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:12:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:PLEX prices have increased pretty steadily and are likely to continue to do so. Thanks for contradicting your own point and faceplanting like a turd from a dog's buttocks. PLEX price increase recently is nothing if NOT unsteady compared to previous gradient. You completely destroyed your own point. I love it how it takes no effort with you, whatsoever. You self-destruct. Post after post. Its like a windmill of /facepalms. Sigh...Lucas Kell wrote:It IS increasing "at a slow, gradual and predictable amount". Sure, there are things like fanfest causing the usual annual spike in the same way that real economies don't increase at exactly the same rate every single day of the year, but the overall trend is a steady upwards trend. Seriously, there's graphs for this stuff.
Thanks though for once again ignoring 90% of the post, taking a single line out of context, then attacking that. It further reinforces the truth that you have no clue what you are talking about. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:19:00 -
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Its really funny how you don't get things, even though they are explicitly explained to you as an answer to your OWN questions.
Life must be hard for you.
Show me where there has been a 17% increase in PLEX cost between December and Fanfest in a previous year? Oh? You can't? Oh, and don't forget to deduct inflation from your % of previous years, if you can handle the maths. I'm reminding you of that beforehand to save you the potential embarrassment (or atleast part of it) ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3560
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:22:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I dont think there is a dramatic and unprecendent rise. So a 17% rise since December, is not a dramatic or unprecedented rise in your opinion. Ok, Post referenced for lols and vindication when PLEX hits 1bil at the end of summer.
Predicting it may rise higher tbh
And no, I dont feel that is dramatic, nor unprecedented.
Of course if you had some figures or graphs to convince me otherwise, then I could accept your premise. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:26:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: And no, I dont feel that is dramatic, nor unprecedented.
Of course if you had some figures or graphs to convince me otherwise, then I could accept your premise.
Wait a minute.
Are you saying you don't have any figures or graphs to support your argument that it is not dramatic or unprecedented?
OH MAI LAAWWRDY!
I calculated for you a 17% increase since December. ( Do you dispute that?) So far, you have produced 0 (zero) of anything. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3566
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:29:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: And no, I dont feel that is dramatic, nor unprecedented.
Of course if you had some figures or graphs to convince me otherwise, then I could accept your premise.
Wait a minute. Are you saying you don't have any figures or graphs to support your argument that it is not dramatic or unprecedented? OH MAI LAAWWRDY!
I dont need to, I dont see an issue; one is not required to provide evidence to prove an absence of concept
Why would I prepare anything to support my feeling (note: FEELING as in sense, as in opinion) that in the five years I have been playing the game the price has slowly risen, and in line with what people can afford.
If you disagree, then you have that perogative, but you need to supply some supporting evidence if you wish to convince others that your reading is correct.
Otherwise, as I ssupect, you are probably simply disagreeing with me and certain others around here because you like to disagree with us and troll us into silly arguments where you have no intention of proving any point at all. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:31:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I dont think there is a dramatic and unprecendent rise. So a 17% rise since December, is not a dramatic or unprecedented rise in your opinion. Ok, Post referenced for lols and vindication when PLEX hits 1bil at the end of summer. Just FYI, when you look at average prices month on month, there are at least 10 other instances of rises as sharp or sharper than this when looking at the price differences across a 4 month gap, and yet the world continues to turn. And sure, prices may hit 1b at somepoint. The if and when of that really depends on if CCP squeezes in more uses for it, such as more ship skins. But that doesn't mean everyone's quit buying PLEX and eve is dying, it simply means the increased use of PLEX warrants a higher price. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:36:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Its really funny how you don't get things, even though they are explicitly explained to you as an answer to your OWN questions. Life must be hard for you. Show me where there has been a 17% increase in PLEX cost between December and Fanfest in a previous year? Oh? You can't? Oh, and don't forget to deduct inflation from your % of previous years, if you can handle the maths. I'm reminding you of that beforehand to save you the potential embarrassment (or atleast part of it) Why don't you try reading peoples responses:Lucas Kell wrote:Fanfest is only ONE cause of spikes. Right now, alongside fanfest tickets you have ship skins which convert a lot of plex to aurum, and this is following directly after the "activate an account and get your alts name onto a monument" burst.
But by all means, go look at the graphs. Pull the historic data from eve-market data. Do a bunch of rolling time periods to see what kind of rises existed at various times throughout the history of plex, and you'll see there is nothing abnormal about this trend. It's not my fault that you can't be bothered to look at data, can't be bothered to read what people write and can't even be bothered to rationally think about it and instead choose to just scream and cry about the same things that people cry about a good couple of times a year whenever plex prices move more than a few million. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:39:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote: Less people are willing or able to pay the game with subscription, they change to using plex. Really? Seems to me its going the other way around atm.
If was the other way around the price woudl be Dropping, not increasing. Personal perceptions means nothing, rational tought is how you understand this. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:41:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I dont think there is a dramatic and unprecendent rise. So a 17% rise since December, is not a dramatic or unprecedented rise in your opinion. Ok, Post referenced for lols and vindication when PLEX hits 1bil at the end of summer.
That is basically the tax rate here where i live. So .. no not so extreme. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:41:00 -
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Show me when PLEX has risen 17% in 4months before now?
And be sure to deduct inflation from that years figures before you submit them, as I already stated once before.
Kagura Nikon wrote:That is basically the tax rate here where i live. So .. no not so extreme.
Did your tax rate rise 17% in the last 4 months? Or... What is your point? ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:43:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote: Less people are willing or able to pay the game with subscription, they change to using plex. Really? Seems to me its going the other way around atm. If was the other way around the price woudl be Dropping, not increasing. Personal perceptions means nothing, rational tought is how you understand this.
If more people were playing, the demand for market bought plex would be higher, no? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Muppet Beldrulf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:54:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: Inflation is a sum total of other facts. Something has changed, resulting in a rate of inflation above and beyond what was before.
Not really:
Apr/1 2010 286m Apr/1 2011 366m (+28%) Apr/1 2012 501m (+37%) Apr/1 2013 511m (+2%) Apr/1 2014 698m (+37%)
Rapid plex inflation has been the norm for a long while, it's just we had a temporary stagnation in 2013. Longterm the norm is around +25% a year.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:55:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:except we also know the prices of plex is cyclical
Explain and prove please. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:55:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:roughly 3 years. march 2011 - april 2014 3 years ago plex was 360m, currently it's about 720m. (got that from eve-markets.net data) that means it takes 3 years for the price to double. that means plex prices increase by 23% per year. Thank you for proving my point. 23% per year (as an average over 3 years), vs 17% in 4 months in this year. But you didnt deduct inflation from that. It is important to do for purposes of determining how much a player can buy with a currency bought PLEX.
By proving your point, I think you mean statistically proving the opposite of your point.
You are not right as often as you are deluded into thinking you are. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:56:00 -
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Muppet Beldrulf wrote: Longterm the norm is around +25% a year.
Its only 4 months into this year, and its already at +17%. ------------ |
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