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Miss Furry
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.20 14:59:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Nobody can question your decision to wax philosophical about the virtues of clicking buttons for one person over another every 24 hours, instead of actually helping someone in need, certainly not yourself as you look back on your life and your actions as you ready yourself to face the blackness of death and the ever-growing fear of impending Divine Judgement.
I respect the straight talk buddy but in the time it took to type out this post I paused and voted for Avalloc again, so that's about the weight of your case for not doing this minor act of altruism. It's less, actually, this post took a few minutes. Your effort would have been about half a minute of typing and clicking.
I fear neither Death nor Divine Judgment, for I have already died and been judged.
Also, "altruism" is a paradoxical term in this context. Simply labeling an action of your own as altruistic automatically negates the whole selfless aspect of whatever you're doing as the act of bringing attention to your own "selfless" acts can only ever be driven by selfish reason and a desire for attention or credit. True altruists seek no recognition and bring no attention to their good deeds, because they realize that ultimately it doesn't matter who knows what you did.
Anyways, I'm obviously intentionally not clicking said button for reasons already stated, and I'm well aware of the minimal amount of time it takes, to which a subtle nod was given by yourself. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3430
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:04:00 -
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Again with the odd combination of what I agree with;
Miss Furry wrote: Also, "altruism" is a paradoxical term in this context. Simply labeling an action of your own as altruistic automatically negates the whole selfless aspect of whatever you're doing as the act of bringing attention to your own "selfless" acts can only ever be driven by selfish reason and a desire for attention or credit. True altruists seek no recognition and bring no attention to their good deeds, because they realize that ultimately it doesn't matter who knows what you did.
And then things I cannot even begin to fathom;
Miss Furry wrote:I fear neither Death nor Divine Judgment, for I have already died and been judged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xiWw5dwngc *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Miss Furry
State Protectorate Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:10:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Miss Furry wrote:
"oh, it's all online, I'll just be a **** and troll forums/blow up empty freighters in Jita all day because it's not really me doing it. It's my avatar, so by all means help me when I ask for it because all of a sudden it's not my avatar anymore, and I didn't actually do all of these things to people who didn't deserve it" (classic Goonswarm)
I can honestly say I have never heard anyone say that apart from people who think that RPing a bad guy means you have to be "unacceptable" in real life some how Miss Furry wrote:Normal people with normal minds who have morals tend to feel guilty after breaking said morals in any type of environment, roleplaying or not. Sorry, didnt mean to disturb you in your Ivory Tower of Superiority there.
Hey now, I didn't say normal people were superior. That's a perception brought on by some of today's warped societal norms. I also didn't say some morals are okay and some aren't. I just said "morals".
I didn't say RPing a bad guy was a bad thing. But there's a pretty well-drawn line between RPing a bad guy and being a downright ********. There's also a big difference between a consensual group RP session and someone being a **** and claiming they are RPing when the person they were being a **** to was not.
To put it into example format, unless work required it, you wouldn't go to your IT job(or what have you) impersonating a dwarven cleric, smacking people with a styrofoam mace without their consent. Likewise, you wouldn't show up to an RP session in the woods in your work attire, asking everyone how their wives and kids are doing. There is a time to RP, and there is a time to actually be yourself. EvE Online has the most confused community out of all the games I've played, in this respect. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1237
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:15:00 -
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Miss Furry wrote:Anyways, I'm obviously intentionally not clicking said button for reasons already stated, and I'm well aware of the minimal amount of time it takes, to which a subtle nod was given by yourself. Your view is quite clear and doesn't need to be challenged. I can totally respect the logic in relation to supporting someone that you don't know IRL over other people you also don't know IRL and there not being a way for you to make a personal decision in favour of anyone.
That's a completely reasonable position from my perspective.
At the same time, some of the other issues risk taking the thread off topic, which really isn't needed either. Hopefully this is where some of that discussion can nip itself so the main aim of this thread can continue. . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Miss Furry
State Protectorate Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:19:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Miss Furry wrote:Anyways, I'm obviously intentionally not clicking said button for reasons already stated, and I'm well aware of the minimal amount of time it takes, to which a subtle nod was given by yourself. Your view is quite clear and doesn't need to be challenged. I can totally respect the logic in relation to supporting someone that you don't know IRL over other people you also don't know IRL and there not being a way for you to make a personal decision in favour of anyone. At the same time, some of the other issues risk taking the thread off topic, which really isn't needed either. Hopefully this is where some of that discussion can nip itself so the main aim of this thread can continue.
Ironically, I've actually been inadvertently promoting the cause by bumping the hell out of this thread and sparking discussion. So you could argue I'm doing more good than bad. :P |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1444
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:28:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:March rabbit wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:www.minerbumping.com stopped right here. Don't know what OP is asking for but no support from me Hmm, I find the whole Meanie Bumping thing really tedious, but I do separate in game stuff from real life. yea. me too.
so when article starts with in-game stuff i don't look further The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:32:00 -
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I'm attempting to vote, but it seems that it takes awhile for the signup to complete. But I'm happy to help out.
Now... Avalloc, you aren't allowed to paint ship kills on the side of your van, it would just be.... odd. Besides, I'm just exploring null, not spying on ya! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3437
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:35:00 -
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I appreciate your reply, and you are very polite, so I apologise if I have seemed rude. I do find the point that we share a similar view but from wildly different starting points to be fascinating.
Miss Furry wrote: Hey now, I didn't say normal people were superior. That's a perception brought on by some of today's warped societal norms. I also didn't say some morals are okay and some aren't. I just said "morals".
I accept that, but I hold it to be relevant that there is no one true moral compass in the world. Different people have their person moralities informed from different sources. Im also not keen on a "them-and-us" sort of idea that there are "normal" people and "abnormal" people, that just makes me uncomfortable,
Miss Furry wrote:I didn't say RPing a bad guy was a bad thing. But there's a pretty well-drawn line between RPing a bad guy and being a downright ********. There's also a big difference between a consensual group RP session and someone being a **** and claiming they are RPing when the person they were being a **** to was not. I agree wholeheartedly. Don't have a problem with any of that.
Miss Furry wrote:To put it into example format, unless work required it, you wouldn't go to your IT job(or what have you) impersonating a dwarven cleric, smacking people with a styrofoam mace without their consent. Likewise, you wouldn't show up to an RP session in the woods in your work attire, asking everyone how their wives and kids are doing. There is a time to RP, and there is a time to actually be yourself. EvE Online has the most confused community out of all the games I've played, in this respect. I think its confused in both directions. I think that a lot of people see the universe differently, and there are those who dont even believe that EvE is a roleplaying game at all. I would like to discuss all this with you more, but I feel I have derailed far too much already. Sorry, everyone. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1444
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:39:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:March rabbit wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:www.minerbumping.com stopped right here. Don't know what OP is asking for but no support from me James said that would happen Prejudice is an ugly thing to see yea, it's sad when people gets what they worked hard for: status of unreliable source The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Dalto Bane
Black Swarm Locust
77
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:45:00 -
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+1
Everyone should support this! Pretty sick that some players can't separate RL from Eve Life and stop wearing their feelings on their sleeve. Dalto Bane for CSM10- Getting an early start. -á-My posts are my platform
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1245
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Posted - 2014.04.20 15:46:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:yea, it's sad when people gets what they worked hard for: status of unreliable source While I personally don't agree with your view, I also totally respect it and respect that you have a different opinion simply because of the link.
It is associated with an issue that is very polarising in the community and not everyone will look past that (or needs to look past that). All I could do was ask if it was possible.
However, having made your view clear, I would also ask that you consider accepting that you've made your point and move on. There isn't really anything positive in terms of the original purpose of the thread in continuing to discuss that aspect. There are a lot of other threads past (and many more likely in the future) to discuss those things.
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
17092
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Posted - 2014.04.20 16:20:00 -
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Miss Furry wrote:TL;DR RP is not an acceptable cop out excuse for being a ****. So what's your excuse?
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Serene Repose
1287
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Posted - 2014.04.20 16:28:00 -
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I guess that's the trouble with unfettered dishonesty, and advocating lack of integrity as a game mechanic. You post something like this and guess what...you expect to be believed. That is so funny. If it's true...IF it's true...heart rending story...IF it's true.
Too bad we all have to consider the source. Enjoy your miner bumping and ganking out there! We're pullin' for yah. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Ayeshah Volfield
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2014.04.20 16:29:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:I guess that's the trouble with unfettered dishonesty, and advocating lack of integrity as a game mechanic. You post something like this and guess what...you expect to be believed. That is so funny. If it's true...IF it's true...heart rending story...IF it's true.
Too bad we all have to consider the source. Enjoy your miner bumping and ganking out there! We're pullin' for yah.
It was also posted on EVE online facebook page.
EVE is what happens when the rule of law does not apply and Darwinism is allowed to run freely. |
Serene Repose
1287
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Posted - 2014.04.20 16:31:00 -
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Ayeshah Volfield wrote:Serene Repose wrote:I guess that's the trouble with unfettered dishonesty, and advocating lack of integrity as a game mechanic. You post something like this and guess what...you expect to be believed. That is so funny. If it's true...IF it's true...heart rending story...IF it's true.
Too bad we all have to consider the source. Enjoy your miner bumping and ganking out there! We're pullin' for yah. It was also posted on EVE online facebook page. Oh yes. If it's on facebook it HAS to be true. (I have a bridge in San Francisco that's for sale.)
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
17095
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Posted - 2014.04.20 16:33:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Ayeshah Volfield wrote:Serene Repose wrote:I guess that's the trouble with unfettered dishonesty, and advocating lack of integrity as a game mechanic. You post something like this and guess what...you expect to be believed. That is so funny. If it's true...IF it's true...heart rending story...IF it's true.
Too bad we all have to consider the source. Enjoy your miner bumping and ganking out there! We're pullin' for yah. It was also posted on EVE online facebook page. Oh yes. If it's on facebook it HAS to be true. (I have a bridge in San Francisco that's for sale.) Look we get it. You don't like how some people play and you have issues disconnecting that with RL. Great stuff, now move on please.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Ayeshah Volfield
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2014.04.20 16:33:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Ayeshah Volfield wrote:Serene Repose wrote:I guess that's the trouble with unfettered dishonesty, and advocating lack of integrity as a game mechanic. You post something like this and guess what...you expect to be believed. That is so funny. If it's true...IF it's true...heart rending story...IF it's true.
Too bad we all have to consider the source. Enjoy your miner bumping and ganking out there! We're pullin' for yah. It was also posted on EVE online facebook page. Oh yes. If it's on facebook it HAS to be true. (I have a bridge in San Francisco that's for sale.) If it's the official EVE Online page, sure. EVE is what happens when the rule of law does not apply and Darwinism is allowed to run freely. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1250
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Posted - 2014.04.20 16:49:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:I guess that's the trouble with unfettered dishonesty, and advocating lack of integrity as a game mechanic. You post something like this and guess what...you expect to be believed. That is so funny. If it's true...IF it's true...heart rending story...IF it's true.
Too bad we all have to consider the source. Enjoy your miner bumping and ganking out there! We're pullin' for yah. A link doesn't make it a lie that needs to be questioned with extra emphasis.
Avalloc has a need and if you can help that's great. If not, no problem, move on. No harm done.
The only real response I can post to your opinion is from your own bio:
"None shall be left to even pity those who have fallen in pursuit of their own ignorant imaginings. There will be no sorrow. They will simply fade." . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Master Flakattack
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:18:00 -
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Ugh this minerbumping thing is so played out now. It's funny for all of 2 minutes until critical thought comes back and you realize these internet tough guys are just carebears with guns: they control the encounter, they control the level of risk, they control everything about the situation. Really no better than a mission runner at that point. And then after all that, we have to listen to all this "New Order" spew? I've seen a 6 year old write a better narrative.
Not even sure how this got called "emergent gameplay" in the first place, considering the miners have absolutely no legitimate way to counter it, but that's CCP for you. |
Saar Ynier
Shadowed Industries
6
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:26:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Serene Repose wrote:Ayeshah Volfield wrote:Serene Repose wrote:I guess that's the trouble with unfettered dishonesty, and advocating lack of integrity as a game mechanic. You post something like this and guess what...you expect to be believed. That is so funny. If it's true...IF it's true...heart rending story...IF it's true.
Too bad we all have to consider the source. Enjoy your miner bumping and ganking out there! We're pullin' for yah. It was also posted on EVE online facebook page. Oh yes. If it's on facebook it HAS to be true. (I have a bridge in San Francisco that's for sale.) Look we get it. You don't like how some people play and you have issues disconnecting that with RL. Great stuff, now move on please.
I think to be honest its not a case of disconnecting RL from In-Game. Most people only know Minerbumping as a source of bias and what not. Then there is the fact that most people dont know this guy in real life, they only know his in game 'alter ego'.
So you're getting annoyed because people wont vote (and are against) for a guy who has made a bad in-game name for his self posted on a website that is pretty much there for epeen stroking and making fun of people???
(for the record, I did read the post on the site too) |
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1253
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:26:00 -
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Master Flakattack wrote:Ugh this minerbumping thing is so played out... ...Not even sure how this got called "emergent gameplay" in the first place, considering the miners have absolutely no legitimate way to counter it, but that's CCP for you. Wrong thread.
This has nothing to do with minerbumping other than the site containing the link.
It's really not an issue of gankers, roleplay, emergent gaming, carebears, ship balance, or any other related in game aspect.
It's simply a thread about a member of the community in need and whether you can spare a few minutes to help. If not, no problem but don't turn the thread into something it isn't. . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3461
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:30:00 -
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Saar Ynier wrote: I think to be honest its not a case of disconnecting RL from In-Game.
Correct. This is;
Saar Ynier wrote:So you're getting annoyed because people wont vote (and are against) for a guy who has made a bad in-game name for his self posted on a website that is pretty much there for epeen stroking and making fun of people???
If you dont like the site and you dont want to do anything thats fine, but hows about just letting people make up their own minds? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Saar Ynier
Shadowed Industries
6
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:36:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Saar Ynier wrote: I think to be honest its not a case of disconnecting RL from In-Game.
Correct. This is; Saar Ynier wrote:So you're getting annoyed because people wont vote (and are against) for a guy who has made a bad in-game name for his self posted on a website that is pretty much there for epeen stroking and making fun of people??? If you dont like the site and you dont want to do anything thats fine, but hows about just letting people make up their own minds?
Oh I agree, and don't get me wrong, I think it's a great idea (and I will be voting. But people can't expect it to be posted on a site that is notorious for people roleplaying big meanies (haha for lack of better words) and then not expect their to be people questioning the authenticity. |
Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
3044
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:37:00 -
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Master Flakattack wrote:Ugh this minerbumping thing is so played out now. It's funny for all of 2 minutes until critical thought comes back and you realize these internet tough guys are just carebears with guns: they control the encounter, they control the level of risk, they control everything about the situation. Really no better than a mission runner at that point. And then after all that, we have to listen to all this "New Order" spew? I've seen a 6 year old write a better narrative.
Not even sure how this got called "emergent gameplay" in the first place, considering the miners have absolutely no legitimate way to counter it, but that's CCP for you. yeah automation software is pretty bad at countering living people |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1254
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:45:00 -
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Saar Ynier wrote:So you're getting annoyed because people wont vote (and are against) for a guy who has made a bad in-game name for his self posted on a website that is pretty much there for epeen stroking and making fun of people??? The rest of your post, n problem from my perspective.
However on this part, what bad in-game name has Avalloc made for himself?
Here's a link to his z-killboard (which includes Condordekken events now): https://zkillboard.com/character/1282041313/page/1/
He's not a ganker, he doesn't live in highsec or give anyone a hard time.
He plays the game just the same as many, many other people play the game - with friends and without causing any stress or problems for other people.
Yet you've made a judgement that he's made bad in-game choices on what basis?
He's just a guy in need and members of the community have rallied around this as a way to help when for the most part, there is nothing we can do for him (or other members of the community in similar situations) on a daily basis.
Help or don't. That's totally your choice and whichever you chose is totally fine.
That's all that anyone can ask. But do you really need to express a judgement about him that seems to have no factual basis? . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3461
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:52:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: Help or don't. That's totally your choice and whichever you chose is totally fine.
That's all that anyone can ask. But do you really need to express a judgement about him that seems to have no factual basis?
+More-than-fingers-plus-toes *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Saar Ynier
Shadowed Industries
6
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:55:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Saar Ynier wrote:So you're getting annoyed because people wont vote (and are against) for a guy who has made a bad in-game name for his self posted on a website that is pretty much there for epeen stroking and making fun of people??? The rest of your post, no problem from my perspective. However on this part, what bad in-game name has Avalloc made for himself? Here's a link to his z-killboard (which includes Condordekken events now): https://zkillboard.com/character/1282041313/page/1/He's not a ganker, he doesn't live in highsec or give anyone a hard time. He's never been Concorded and never killed anyone illegally in highsec. He plays the game just the same as many, many other people play the game - with friends and without causing any stress or problems for other people. Yet you've made a judgement that he's made bad in-game choices on what basis? He's just a guy in need and members of the community have rallied around this as a way to help when for the most part, there is nothing we can do for him (or other members of the community in similar situations) on a daily basis. Help or don't. That's totally your choice and whichever you chose is totally fine. That's all that anyone can ask. But do you really need to express a judgement about him that seems to have no factual basis?
Please read my other post above.
You mis-understand my point. I personally have no problem and I will be voting. However the man is a goonswarm member (and again while I have no issue) the goons have a certain reputation to their name. Grrr goons and what not. Same as the site.
Both the goons and the site do great things, provide content etc etc but its at the expense of others a lot of the time and people cannot be expected to just forget all about that. If that makes sense? Do you ubderstand what I am saying? Trying to explain it as best I can without garbling words.
Basically, people in this thread are being called out for not supporting this endevour due to the names the people and sites have made for them. They're then being treat with disdain because they have aired that opinion... |
Marsha Mallow
301
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:57:00 -
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+2 I got a bonus vote :)
Those who don't want to vote because of association with Code or Goons are entitled that position, but when you try to rationalise it you sound like complete muppets. Just saying. - |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3464
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Posted - 2014.04.20 17:59:00 -
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Saar Ynier wrote: Both the goons and the site do great things, provide content etc etc but its at the expense of others a lot of the time and people cannot be expected to just forget all about that. If that makes sense? Do you ubderstand what I am saying? Trying to explain it as best I can without garbling words.
Yes, and I think what we are both saying in response is;
That's what they do ingame, but this is basically a charity appeal. Should two sides in a sport not come togethter for their community?
Saar Ynier wrote:Basically, people in this thread are being called out for not supporting this endevour due to the names the people and sites have made for them. They're then being treat with disdain because they have aired that opinion...
No one is being called out, the finger pointing is going in one direction, and I think its been pretty civil around here. I caught myself on earlier, but then realised that this is not a thread to debate the moral inequities of the human condition :)
So, like vote for this guy, or dont. Happy Rabbitegg Day. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1447
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Posted - 2014.04.20 18:07:00 -
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WoW.
the same people (OP is not included) who troll to hell every thread they don't like ask "why do you post here if you don't with us?"
Never thought i will see it The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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