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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 08:49:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: No, you dont.
I do. Deal with it.
Ramona McCandless wrote: Besides, if they do have another syphon, how about one that syphons fuel.
What an amazingly stupid suggestion. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3508
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Posted - 2014.04.22 08:50:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: No, you dont.
I do. No, you don't.
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 08:57:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: No, you dont.
I do. No, you don't.
The imagination, and false sense of self-importance in thinking she can tell an adult male what he does or does not, is amazing in this one.
Keep waving your hand in some geeky comedy of a Jedi mindtrick and wondering why it fails. Might work on your kids, but not on me.
I do agree with OP. Siphons are an incomplete element at this time, worthy of improvement and a second dev pass. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3511
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Posted - 2014.04.22 08:58:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: No, you dont.
I do. No, you don't. an adult male
No, you aren't
And I haven't told you what to do
Please quote me as saying such *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:04:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: No, you dont.
I do. No, you don't. an adult male No, you aren't And I haven't told you what to do Please quote me as saying such
Ramona, my dear, I'm a 32yr old male.
I dunno what kinds of men you are used to, but waving your hand at me and saying "you dont" just makes you look silly.
I do agree with OP, and there is nothing you can do to stop me. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3511
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:05:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: I do agree with OP
Yeah, but you don't though *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:07:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: I do agree with OP
Yeah, but you don't though
I do.
*waves hand* ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3521
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:10:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: I do.
I refer the honorable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments before;
No, you don't *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:17:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:honorable gentleman
Why thank you for recognising that. Yes I am. And as such, I speak my own honest truth.
I agree with OP. Siphons need a second Dev pass, as they are an unfinished and inconsistent mechanic at this time. Its a cool concept of economic piracy, and is worth the effort of improving to its full potential. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3521
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:20:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: I speak my own honest truth. I agree with OP.
No, you don't. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
897
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:25:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:honorable gentleman Why thank you for recognising that. Yes I am. And as such, I speak my own honest truth. I agree with OP. Siphons need a second Dev pass, as they are an unfinished and inconsistent mechanic at this time. Its a cool concept of economic piracy, and is worth the effort of improving to its full potential. the context that phrase is used in in this part of the world, does not imply that thats a compliment salvos. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á The Best Quote EVER Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Salvos Rhoska
1117
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Posted - 2014.04.22 10:07:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:the context that phrase is used in in this part of the world, does not imply that thats a compliment salvos.
Being called an honorable gentleman is not a compliment in your part of the world? Where exactly is that?
Do you not realise that the internet is an international environment?
PS: Sarcasm does not constitute a context. Its a recourse of liars, cowards and the dishonest. Say what you mean, and mean what you say. ------------ |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.04.22 10:07:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:That post says nothing, we need siphon units that target raw materials so POS owners can protect moon goo with worthless reactions. There is no point in CCP introducing broken content, the last patches have all been about fixing content so why have they now introduced broken siphon units? We need. You mean to say "I need". Why are you so butthurt about them being smart enough to counter your attempt?
They found a loophole the neutralize a mechanics that CCP worked for to be active in game. THat as ageneral rule is bad and means CCP did nto tought well enough the issue and might grant a revision.
OP is right that ccp need to analyze it. If it must or must not be changed, I refrain from stating sicen I never worked much on siphooning. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
126
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Posted - 2014.04.22 10:30:00 -
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I love it when my Siphon Unit gets buffed! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3527
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Posted - 2014.04.22 10:32:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote: They found a loophole the neutralize a mechanics that CCP worked for to be active in game. THat as ageneral rule is bad and means CCP did nto tought well enough the issue and might grant a revision.
And what makes you think this wasnt intended? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 10:37:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:And what makes you think this wasnt intended?
Common sense. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3527
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Posted - 2014.04.22 10:38:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: Common sense.
Nope *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
1090
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Posted - 2014.04.22 11:27:00 -
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As someone in a nullsec alliance who benefits more from siphons being useless than useful, I have to say I agree with the OP.
Siphons are an interesting dynamic as it forces POS owners to actually chceck on their POS to kill siphons. Yes they usually do that with a series of alts, but if the alt is constantly in the POS it's not earning money, meaning there is sort of an incentive not to just create an alt for every POS.
Yes the POS owners have displayed the player qualities that make EVE great: devious cunning combined with an intricate understanding of game mechanics.
No this does not make it an "exploit", the content has a flaw anyone can use and players are simply using it. However anyone defending this as "outsmarting" anyone is really naive.
I am a terrible EVE player and it would take me considerably longer to think of this tactic or any others that are similar on my own, if I ever thought of them at all. However now I do not need to engage brain like the first people who discovered the trick as it's on most guides, forums, it's now common knowledge etc.
So now you don't need to think at all due to broken content and common knowledge to render the siphons totally useless. This isn't outsmarting anyone any more then dropping an AoE doomsday on someone was: it's just bad content.
I think siphons that target specific things are a great idea, especially if they are larger so it limits the number you can carry and the ships you can use to deploy them. If they are introduced it means that in order to fully protect yourself you need to log alts on at POS every day a t a minimum, which is fine as then it's doing what it is intended to do: provide small organisations a way of hassling, but not defeating, larger ones. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 11:28:00 -
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Siphons need a second Dev cycle.
Its an interesting concept, a daring one, and above all, novel.
I dont blame CCP, in the least bit, for not getting it quite right on the first attempt. Its an unusual mechanic, and one that I cant think of any direct equivalent of from any other game.
It does, however, still need improvement, and I support discussion on it, though ofc I, as others, do not agreee with every suggestion made. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3527
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Posted - 2014.04.22 11:33:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: I dont blame CCP, in the least bit, for not getting it quite right on the first attempt.
Yes you do. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
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Salvos Rhoska
1117
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Posted - 2014.04.22 11:54:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: I dont blame CCP, in the least bit, for not getting it quite right on the first attempt.
Yes you do.
This is why I divorced you! ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3530
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Posted - 2014.04.22 12:00:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
This is why I divorced you!
lol you wish *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 12:13:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
This is why I divorced you!
lol you wish
Begone, ye harpy! ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3533
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Posted - 2014.04.22 12:15:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: Begone, ye harpy!
Nope.
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
266
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:11:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:I agree with OP. if they do have another syphon, how about one that syphons fuel.
That is the best idea for Siphons ever! The end results would be hilarious to those POS managers not paying attention.
Please CCP we need a dedicated moon goo siphon and a dedicated fuel block siphon, you're the best CCP your pal Brewlar. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
594
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:28:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: What is smart about having broken content? Why even introduce siphon units in the first place if they are not going to work as intended. Hopefully we will get some dev clarification on the introduction of units that can ignore reactions allowing us to steal what we want.
What makes it broken? Not so much broken as useless. I understand his point. The whole concept and application of the siphon has been rendered useless by people setting up worthless reactions for the siphon to pull from.
Siphon's would need the option to select what or where they want to extract.
Cudo's to the people that figured this out in true EvE fashion but the siphon needs more flexibility to be effective or useful.
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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
267
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Posted - 2014.04.22 16:15:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: What is smart about having broken content? Why even introduce siphon units in the first place if they are not going to work as intended. Hopefully we will get some dev clarification on the introduction of units that can ignore reactions allowing us to steal what we want.
What makes it broken? Not so much broken as useless. I understand his point. The whole concept and application of the siphon has been rendered useless by people setting up worthless reactions for the siphon to pull from. Siphon's would need the option to select what or where they want to extract. Cudo's to the people that figured this out in true EvE fashion but the siphon needs more flexibility to be effective or useful.
It was figured out before it even left sisi, not even sure what they were thinking not making one for moongoo only but the fuel block siphon would be epic/ |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
471
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Posted - 2014.04.22 19:00:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: What is smart about having broken content? Why even introduce siphon units in the first place if they are not going to work as intended. Hopefully we will get some dev clarification on the introduction of units that can ignore reactions allowing us to steal what we want.
You are not answering my question. It is not broken, just because they outsmart you. Why are you butthurt about them countering your attempt to steal from them? I think hes complaining that there's no counterplay against their counterplay. Feel free to correct me if there is. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
695
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:19:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: What is smart about having broken content? Why even introduce siphon units in the first place if they are not going to work as intended. Hopefully we will get some dev clarification on the introduction of units that can ignore reactions allowing us to steal what we want.
You are not answering my question. It is not broken, just because they outsmart you. Why are you butthurt about them countering your attempt to steal from them? I think hes complaining that there's no counterplay against their counterplay. Feel free to correct me if there is. I can't, but I don't see the issue.
Anyhow, looking at Ramonas and Salvos posts, I see a love story in the making. xD "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
422
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:41:00 -
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Shydow Lugia wrote:Risk.
Versus.
Reward.
Biggest.
Lie.
in.
Game.
Seriously, I love it when people trot this gem out.
Let me ask you a question: is lowsec mining MORE or LESS profitable than nullsec mining?
Because actual risk is much greater mining in low sec than in null. But profits are much higher renting space in null. And depending on where you're renting, the odds of having to deal with unexpected PvP are pretty remote.
Unless your thread is limited to how 'awesum!' Eve Online is, ISD will lock the thread.-á You will find it is particularly common if CCP might have to make a public response to the thread subject, as opposed to bury it in the GM que for the forseeable future and then prohibit telling anyone what the GM said, if it's ever answered at all. |
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