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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:22:00 -
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This is just a little thing I am intrigued about, as it seems, to me, like it's reverse form what it should be.
Cargo hold of ships - I have noticed that Minmatar and Gallente have smaller cargo holds than Caldari and Amarr.
Why this seems weird to me is because Minmatar and Gallente have a selection of ships that rely on active tanking, which requires a load of capacitor booster charges stored in the cargo hold.
However, I've noticed that Minmatar and Gallente have cargo holds that are smaller. for example, let's look at some HACs, the Vagabond and Cerberus:
The Vagabond, being a ship with a bonus to active shield tanking, should have a cargo hold that can store enough capacitor charger to let it last for as long as possible, right? but its cargo hold is 360 cubic meters. you can't store a lot of capacitor charges in this cargo hold. let's assume that the vagabond is fitted with an Ancillary Capacitor Booster which stores 9 Navy Capacitor Booster Charge 400s. The cargo hold of the Vagabond can store exactly 30 of those, leaving no room for ammo. If you take 3 of them out you have a bit of room for ammo, but you still have just 3 reloads.
Now I'm not experienced with PVP with Vagabonds so I'm not gonna make false assumptions and say things that are not based on what is actually right. But I do know that 3 reloads for the shield booster(just one, BTW) only last for a short time, and after that you have to go and refill assuming you survive a conflict that consumes these charges.
Now the Cerberus for comparison: 650 cubic meters. not a small cargo hold, considering it doesn't have a bonus to either shield boost or shield resistances. so why does it need such a big cargo hold? mission grinding? I doubt it.
So now if you've read that, I'm gonna get to the bottom line: Why are the cargo hold sizes of these ships seem to be reversed? is there a reason why Minmatar ships have smaller cargo holds, inspite the fact they need a bigger cargo hold?
end of noob rant. Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
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Doireen Kaundur
757
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:24:00 -
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becauseGäó A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
557
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:24:00 -
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You might get a visit from the Doc... Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
19116
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:24:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:becauseGäó Oh now I get it. Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2924
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:24:00 -
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Fuelled reps are a new thing. Besides, if anyone should get get extra room for cap charges, it's Amarr. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:25:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:if anyone should get get extra room for cap charges, it's Amarr. those also have bigger cargo holds from what I've seen, so I say, nope.jpg Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
573
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:26:00 -
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I guess that's connected to speed and agility. Overdrive injectors bring speed, but reduce the size of the cargo.
Hi liaf! :D Good to see you here! :D
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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:27:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:I guess that's connected to speed and agility. Overdrive injectors bring speed, but reduce the size of the cargo.
Hi liaf! :D Good to see you here! :D
why are you surprised?
I guess you haven't discovered that GD gives you space aids sometimes Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
573
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:27:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Abrazzar wrote:if anyone should get get extra room for cap charges, it's Amarr. those also have bigger cargo holds from what I've seen, so I say, nope.jpg Especially the magnate, which can be boosted to 1600m3 cargospace easily. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
573
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:28:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Solecist Project wrote:I guess that's connected to speed and agility. Overdrive injectors bring speed, but reduce the size of the cargo.
Hi liaf! :D Good to see you here! :D
why are you surprised? I guess you haven't discovered that GD gives you space aids sometimes I'm not. Well I am a bit, considering I encouraged you a bit and you actually thought about it. xD
Oh GD isn't half as bad if you know how to deal with it. :D |
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1731
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:31:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:You might get a visit from the Doc...
Actually this topic is in the right forum.
I know its rare, but it happens! BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Doireen Kaundur
758
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:41:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:You might get a visit from the Doc...
FYI: DOC's not really a doctor, so dont let him talk you into giving you a prostate exam.
Fool me once.... A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
573
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:43:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:You might get a visit from the Doc... FYI: DOC's not really a doctor, so dont let him talk you into giving you a prostate exam. Fool me once.... Women do not have a prostate.... |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
19118
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:43:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:You might get a visit from the Doc... FYI: DOC's not really a doctor, so dont let him talk you into giving you a prostate exam. Fool me once.... Can I let him do a thorax exam?
now if we can please get back on topic? Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4002
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:55:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:You might get a visit from the Doc... FYI: DOC's not really a doctor, so dont let him talk you into giving you a prostate exam. Fool me once.... Women do not have a prostate.... I bet it surprised Doc as well. |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
570
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:01:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:You might get a visit from the Doc... Actually this topic is in the right forum. I know its rare, but it happens!
Holy crap! I dont think that computes in my mind...
As for Doc doing his tests... He told me he loved me!!! *weeps*
On a serious note you should try having an ASB on a caldari missile boat whilst trying to fit cap boosters and missiles in your damned hold!!! Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
366
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:02:00 -
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Ships with larger drone bays tend to have smaller cargo bays than their counter parts. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:05:00 -
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Well you can add cargospace to minmatar ships and they'd still be faster than other ships with added cargospace...
I don't actually see the issue. If you have to reload ASBs or capboosters a lot during a fight, you have lost that fight already anyway.
Unless you sit in a dual xl-asb rokh at undock as -10 counting seconds until you have to dock. Damn, it'll take me ages until I can do that again... |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:14:00 -
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Have you heard of cargo containers OP? Some say they are magical....or at least they break some kind of law of physics. |
Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
366
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:23:00 -
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Also, I know it's not the "in" thing to do since you never see them on "fits" listed by the "pros";
but consider equipping a medium core defense capacitor safeguard or two.
One shield boost amplifier on top of the vagabonds increased shield boosted traits stacks well, and the decrease capacitor need from the modifications means you attach a smaller, non-ancillary booster and your ability to sustain yourself increases drastically as long as you can manage your shield and capacitor properly. From my limited experience, trying to establish any sort of "cap stable" build with a shield booster worth a damn is a fallacy, so aim for something around 5 minutes. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4784
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:35:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:You might get a visit from the Doc... FYI: DOC's not really a doctor, so dont let him talk you into giving you a prostate exam. Fool me once....
Confirming: Not that kind of doctor.
In fairness I thought you said you were wanting some really great ham.
Solecist Project[/quote wrote: Women do not have a prostate....
I've seen a partially shaved Wookie passed off as a Cardassian. No telling what is under the hood these days.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
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Posted - 2014.04.21 01:19:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:You might get a visit from the Doc... FYI: DOC's not really a doctor, so dont let him talk you into giving you a prostate exam. Fool me once.... Women do not have a prostate....
Considering what today's medical science can do for people, bull-****! |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
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Posted - 2014.04.21 10:31:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Well you can add cargospace to minmatar ships and they'd still be faster than other ships with added cargospace...
I don't actually see the issue. If you have to reload ASBs or capboosters a lot during a fight, you have lost that fight already anyway.
Unless you sit in a dual xl-asb rokh at undock as -10 counting seconds until you have to dock. Damn, it'll take me ages until I can do that again... it's easy to say that, but I can tell you that brawler fit ships with ASBs need to reload it a lot. especially when you get a good fight that lasts for a while.
sometimes you meet a ship that rivals yours but is just as a challenge to you as you are to them. Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
19163
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Posted - 2014.04.21 10:32:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Also, I know it's not the "in" thing to do since you never see them on "fits" listed by the "pros";
but consider equipping a medium core defense capacitor safeguard or two.
One shield boost amplifier on top of the vagabonds increased shield boosted traits stacks well, and the decrease capacitor need from the modifications means you attach a smaller, non-ancillary booster and your ability to sustain yourself increases drastically as long as you can manage your shield and capacitor properly. From my limited experience, trying to establish any sort of "cap stable" build with a shield booster worth a damn is a fallacy, so aim for something around 5 minutes. how would you manage your capacitor when it's gone? I'm talking about neuts, of course. Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
599
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Posted - 2014.04.21 10:58:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Also, I know it's not the "in" thing to do since you never see them on "fits" listed by the "pros";
but consider equipping a medium core defense capacitor safeguard or two.
One shield boost amplifier on top of the vagabonds increased shield boosted traits stacks well, and the decrease capacitor need from the modifications means you attach a smaller, non-ancillary booster and your ability to sustain yourself increases drastically as long as you can manage your shield and capacitor properly. From my limited experience, trying to establish any sort of "cap stable" build with a shield booster worth a damn is a fallacy, so aim for something around 5 minutes. how would you manage your capacitor when it's gone? I'm talking about neuts, of course. That's a weird advise.
Lower shieldboost to save cap using a rigslot, increase shieldboost using a midslot.
I don't think that's such a good idea. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
599
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Posted - 2014.04.21 11:03:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Well you can add cargospace to minmatar ships and they'd still be faster than other ships with added cargospace...
I don't actually see the issue. If you have to reload ASBs or capboosters a lot during a fight, you have lost that fight already anyway.
Unless you sit in a dual xl-asb rokh at undock as -10 counting seconds until you have to dock. Damn, it'll take me ages until I can do that again... it's easy to say that, but I can tell you that brawler fit ships with ASBs need to reload it a lot. especially when you get a good fight that lasts for a while. sometimes you meet a ship that rivals yours but is just as a challenge to you as you are to them. Mixing resistances with ASBs is important.
You shouldn't consider them as boosters, but instead as fast injection of buffer tank.
Unless, of course, you're not solo and can manage a capchain... |
Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
114
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Posted - 2014.04.21 13:37:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Abrazzar wrote:if anyone should get get extra room for cap charges, it's Amarr. those also have bigger cargo holds from what I've seen, so I say, nope.jpg
Not every Amarr-ship. Compare Zealot and Sacrilege:
Sacrilege: Huge cargo hold. (Because it uses missiles, which take a lot of space.) Zealot: Tiny cargo hold. (Because it uses lasers and crystals don't take much space.)
The Zealot really should have a bit more cargo hold, it's kind of hilarious that there are frigates with more cargo space then the Zealot.
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Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1061
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Posted - 2014.04.21 13:58:00 -
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No room for cargo because it's full of win. |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
19199
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Posted - 2014.04.21 14:06:00 -
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Shederov Blood wrote:No room for cargo because it's full of win. well... it's hard to argue with that, but more cargo space would make a lot of sense on some ships.
Owen Levanth wrote:Sacrilege: Huge cargo hold. (Because it uses missiles, which take a lot of space.)
not THAT much. you can have 10 reloads of all 4 Rage HAM types and you won't even fill half of it.
Solecist Project wrote:You shouldn't consider them as boosters, but instead as fast injection of buffer tank.
an interesting point of view, but for some reason it seems to me as potentially underpowered. potentially. Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Aideron Robotics
279
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Posted - 2014.04.21 14:28:00 -
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you do solo pvp, don't expect to come back alive. you pvp in fleet bring logi. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
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