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Faenir Antollare
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 11:38:00 -
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So Manchester United have sacked their first manager in nigh on 30 years, guess it was inevitable especially considering the particulary insipid display seen against Everton just this Easter weekend, still.. a managerial sacking from MUFC is massive news and news that will rock the sport for many months to come. Ryan Giggs, the most decorated player in English football history and a ManUtd living legend, is too take temporary charge of Football matters until the end of the season.
As a Huge ManUtd fan I have say that I find the news of his dismissal disappointing rather than me being surprised by it, the team performances this season have been especially flat and I guess that the debacle viewed at Goodison was only the final nail in his coffin. I recall Tommy Docherty getting his cards back in the day and that was completely understandable given the circumstances, then came Dave Sexton, widely regarded as one the best ever coaches produced in English football, unfortunately though the football his team produced at Old Trafford was considered to be poor fayre and even drab at times. I think it was six seasons he was there (my how time does fly) and it has to be said he never ever enjoyed the full support of the fans with his drab and un-Manchester United like style of football. Next came Big Ron Atkinson, and with him came a vast improvement in the football, going back to basics with two out and out wingers, a few trophies followed but in all fairness there was never a real title challenge from him despite a few runner`s up finishes, that poor start though to the (i think 86-87) season and the sheer weight of media pressure regarding the failure to mount a serious title challenge lead to his ultimate demise. Then came Sir Alex..nuff said!!!
So what does the future hold ? who will be the next manager of Manchester United ? Usual suspect's are being touted around within the media with Jurgen Klopp being widely tipped as a man with the ways and means to successfully take the helm, having watched his Borrusia Dortmund side a fair few times over the last four years or so he certainly seems tailor made for the job. Personally, I would like to keep any such appointment kept in-house as it were, so my choice would be to invite Gary Neville back into the set-up with maybe Carlos Queiroz as his assistant for the first couple of years whilst he finds his feet.
Whatever happens it could well be a turbulent next couple of seasons if the club does not choose wisely, they have to get it right and I am sure they will!
Keep the Red flag flying high 'Cos Man Utd will never die
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Bumsicle Wedgie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:17:00 -
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I feel sorry for the guy. He's had a few good players out and the rest of the team haven't been giving 100%. Not saying it wasn't partly his fault in terms of motivation, communication and training style, and of course someone has to take the flack. However, short of the media lynching that's going on, the vast majority of MU fans I've talked to about it seem pretty phased at his departure.
Sadly defeats by the likes of Swansea and Sunderland were always going to be a permanent stain. I see Steve Round and Jimmy Lumsden have left also, meaning it's more of a holistic shake-up that a simple manager sacking.
Hopefully Giggs won't remain as manager after the temporary posting, I can't see that ending well either! I can't see Klopp leaving BD tbh, he's too entrenched there. Having said that, I guess it depends how much he's offered! |
Faenir Antollare
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:49:00 -
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Steve Round in particular is getting a lot of flack from certain media personalities that claim they are close to the club, allegedly he is very unpopular with the majority of the squad with both his persona and then his training methods having more of an emphasis on running and stamina training rather than technical proficiency. Pleased to see that of Moyes`s staff that Chris Woods has at least has been retained. No doubt that De Ghea is the real deal between the sticks eyt the improvement in his confidence alone is testament to some quality coaching, easily and far and away the best goalkeeper currently playing in England imvho.
Wish I was able to get down to Carrow Road this weekend just to experience Giggs "Tearing them apart..Again". |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:01:00 -
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It sounds incredible, but when Tweets started appearing yesterday I had to look up who the guy even was. Never, ever heard of him.
Yes, I'm an American, of course.
It's sad really. The American Media just does not track any major sport at all if it's not happening in America.
This story is still not anywhere on CNN that I can find.
/tinfoil
American Media in collusion with NFL to promote only NFL and MLB, etc)
/tinfoil "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Faenir Antollare
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:09:00 -
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We don`t really perceive America to be a footballing nation tbh yet I am a tad sup[rised the story is so low key there especially with United having American owners (the Florida based Glazier family) and having been making some recent ripples on the NewYork stock exchange. There was a survey only a cpl of years back where it was claimed that nearly 1 in 7 people on the planet professed an affinity with Man Utd.
still..tis a bad news day here for sure :) |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:13:00 -
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Faenir Antollare wrote:We don`t really perceive America to be a footballing nation tbh yet I am a tad sup[rised the story is so low key there especially with United having American owners (the Florida based Glazier family) and having been making some recent ripples on the NewYork stock exchange. There was a survey only a cpl of years back where it was claimed that nearly 1 in 7 people on the planet professed an affinity with Man Utd.
still..tis a bad news day here for sure :)
I weirdly found out in a tweet by Marina Sirtis (Couns. Troi) of all things. It just said "Moyes sacked", which confused the heck out of literally everyone in the comments
I don't know enough about it to determine if he should have been dismissed or not. In America, it seems they boot out coaches and staff if they pick their nose wrongly. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Captain Stupid
Citalopram Appreciation Society
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:24:00 -
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I think you only need to look at how since he arrived, a team of champions has turned in to has beens, yet Everton under Roberto Martinez have flourished, to see that perhaps David Moyes was never up to the job.
If the motivation behind the sacking had anything to do with the failure to qualify for the champions league, then they waited far far too long. By this time I think they should have given him more time.
But meh, what do I care, I'm just a poor Hull City ( not Hull Tigers, grr Allam ) fan :) |
Faenir Antollare
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:37:00 -
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Captain Stupid wrote:But meh, what do I care, I'm just a poor Hull City ( not Hull Tigers, grr Allam ) fan :)
Yes I agree, the timing of all this is definitely very poor, was open minded about him initially but as the season progressed and the football went from bad to worse I was having serious doubts as to whether he really was up to the job.
Very best of luck at Wembley, will always be "Hull City" for me regardless of anything else :)
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Captain Stupid
Citalopram Appreciation Society
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Posted - 2014.04.24 08:09:00 -
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Faenir Antollare wrote:Captain Stupid wrote:But meh, what do I care, I'm just a poor Hull City ( not Hull Tigers, grr Allam ) fan :) Very best of luck at Wembley, will always be "Hull City" for me regardless of anything else :)
Thanks, sadly as I live in the south of England now, I will be really lucky to get a ticket. The FA give only 25k to each side despite Wembley holding up to 90k. Money rules sadly.
It will be tough, but on the day, who knows. Ask Man City fans ;) |
jason hill
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Posted - 2014.04.24 17:44:00 -
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imo ...moyes was a fall guy ...and I think he already new it ...the manu board new they couldn't get the guy they really wanted until after the world cup .Moyes was a mediocre manager at everton and took them as far as he could proof positive that they are in a better position now then whenever he was in charge ... so they prolly gave him a deal ... " work for us for 1 season we will give you a bag of cash ... then off you trott to another club " ... lets face it Moyes was never gonna be able to fill fergusons boots and he knew it .and so did the fans and the board .
only the hard of thinking never saw this coming |
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Faenir Antollare
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.25 15:31:00 -
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jason hill wrote:imo ...moyes was a fall guy ...and I think he already new it ...the manu board new they couldn't get the guy they really wanted until after the world cup .Moyes was a mediocre manager at everton and took them as far as he could proof positive that they are in a better position now then whenever he was in charge ... so they prolly gave him a deal ... " work for us for 1 season we will give you a bag of cash ... then off you trott to another club " ... lets face it Moyes was never gonna be able to fill fergusons boots and he knew it .and so did the fans and the board .
only the hard of thinking never saw this coming
Not so sure that Moyes was an intended "fall guy" so to speak, Sir Alex was never one to allow friendship to cloud his judgement over the years and was, according to reports, very pro-active in ensuring that Moyes took over the stewardship. I think United were looking for continuity and longevity over all else and this clearly has not worked with the club now in it's present predicament. Itis being reported on local radio that Moyes and the club have already agreed a severance package ..which unfortunately suggest's, to me at least.. that some of the recent events were possibly pre-meditated but as I allude to it was never in the clubs interest to appoint a "patsy".
I recall quite clearly the dire straits that Everton were in when Moyes first took charge, they had spent a few seasons flirting with relegation and the club was, in a nutshell, financially on its arse. There can be no doubt whatsoever that he did a sterling job at Goodison and that Martinez has inherited a club in superb health both on and off the pitch, the fact that he (Martinez) has improved them so much after just a season in charge is an indication in itself that not only is Martinez's star is a rising and that he no doubt has a wonderful future in football management but that he took on a plum of a job.
Lots of support for Louis van Gaal to take over at the club, my concern is. if he would be the future and way forward at some 63 years of age or would it just be a stop-gap replacement until the man they really crave becomes available. The club of all the things it does has to get this right.
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