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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:35:00 -
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Mag's wrote:as the popup say Actually, the popup says, and I quote: "You have been banned permanently by GM Grave".
I get your point. I do. But it literally does say that, as well as the "pending investigation part". So it is correct to say that she was permabanned, because thats what it says, literally.
Ramona McCandless wrote:Im successfully claiming that when you say you know why Erotica was banned, you are lying because you CANNOT know.
Where did I say I know why?
I've infact said the exact opposite. I've said I don't know. I do, however, know the result. CSM are satisfied, Community is satisfied, CCP released Statement. I am satisfied. You are not.
Did I miss anything? ------------ |
Salvos Rhoska
1124
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:36:00 -
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Accidental double-post. ------------ |
Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:37:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:
I didn't think just disagreeing with someone made was a problem, but I'm no expert in these things.
I completely agree with this, disagreement is not deviance, as long as the disagreement is contained to arguing the -> . and not this -> ( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:38:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Mag's wrote:as the popup say Actually, the popup says, and I quote: "You have been banned permanently by GM Grave". I get your point. I do. But it literally does say that, as well as the "pending investigation part". So it is correct to say that she was permabanned, because thats what it says, literally. So the only facts we know are, that he is perm banned while under investigation. Which is not quite the same is it?
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:39:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Im successfully claiming that when you say you know why Erotica was banned, you are lying because you CANNOT know. Where did I say I know why?
Right here
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Prove that Erotica 1 scamming and the bonus room (both of which still exist as activities by the way) are bad for the game. Oh man, you make this so easy I feel almost bad. Did you miss the part where she got banned for it? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:41:00 -
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inb4 'it' = investigation.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:42:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Where did I say I know why? Right here:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Prove that Erotica 1 scamming and the bonus room (both of which still exist as activities by the way) are bad for the game. Oh man, you make this so easy I feel almost bad. Did you miss the part where she got banned for it? You know, when you were stating that E1 getting banned for those actions meant that those actions were bad for the game, even though you could neither know the reason for the banning, nor the effect of E1s actions on the game. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
667
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:44:00 -
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Four pages already?
It's too easy to bait people with negative crap... "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:46:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:---
So why did Erotica1 get banned?
Because of ANCIENT ALIENS perhaps?
Go ahead and tell me. I'm all ears.
(Nor did I EVER state I know why she got banned, I simply stated that she did, and that CSM, Community and CCP are all happy with that). ------------ |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:46:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Four pages already?
It's too easy to bait people with negative crap... Fresh fish doesn't smell much at all, so looks like fish after all.
Positive feedback.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3574
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:48:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: Nor did I EVER state I know why she got banned
Yeah, but you did though
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Prove that Erotica 1 scamming and the bonus room (both of which still exist as activities by the way) are bad for the game. Oh man, you make this so easy I feel almost bad. Did you miss the part where she got banned for it? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:52:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:The FACT is she got banned. I don't need to explain that. I'm not CCP. And CCP doesn't need to explain it either, their TOS clearly states they dont discuss particulars. However CSM have stated they are satisfied she received due process, the Community is happy except for a few forum trolls and CCP itself issued a Statement reinforcing policy.
Thats how it is. Move on. Yes, you do need to explain that when you are stating that as proof that scammers and bonus rooms are bad for the game, especially when both of those things still exist in EVE. And the CSM never stated a damn thing. One CSM member stated something, which isn't "The CSM". As for the community, it's only a vocal minority on either side, the bulk of the community don't care either way, so quit acting like the whole of the community is like "Oh yeah, we super support this", it's pathetic. And CCP would state that wouldn't they. That;s what companies do. That doesn't make it truth. 2 days before they sacked a bunch of their staff and cancelled WoD they also stated that WoD wasn't being cancelled.
Arguing this matter either way is moot since CCP does not disclose this kind of personal information, and if they did tell the CSM, they would be bound by NDA not to disclose it.
Banned? Probably. For what exactly? I can guess, but I doubt it's limited to what players may believe was the reason. For instance: I've been witness to at least a couple of GM warnings that turned into bans because the players in question would not shut up and accept their punishment.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:55:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:So why did Erotica1 get banned?
Because of ANCIENT ALIENS perhaps?
Go ahead and tell me. I'm all ears.
(Nor did I EVER state I know why she got banned, I simply stated that she did, and that CSM, Community and CCP are all happy with that). Who knows? Maybe he broke one of the many other rules in the EULA/ToS. Maybe he pretended to be Chribba. That's the point though.
So alllll the way back to:Lucas Kell wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Erotica1's activities where not good for the game. Opinion, citation needed. It's just as plausible that Erotica 1's publicity prior to this day encouraged more players to play, as an example of the "play the villain" marketing. Any time you want to back this up with actual evidence that Erotica 1's activities were not good for the game would be fine. Or you could just ignore the whole post, quote a random handful of words and sperg out about how incredibly dumb everyone else is. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Mellisa Jade
Sarum Family Auxiliary Support
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:56:00 -
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Guys try to stay on topic. Its a discussion about the validity and virtue of CSM.
If you dont agree with my point of view you dont have to.
Bringing duscussions about other issues is not really what i was hoping for.
Asking for threads to be closed on the basis that you plain dont agree with the op is not really very diplomatic and is really rather childish.
I guess if it brings some people a modicum of fun and amusement then its a good thing. I do feel that most of the CSM members are either Goon or Goon sympathetic. It is a widley known fact that Goonswarm have stated as one of thier objectives, as a gaming community, is to destroy every game they land in.
Im sorry that you disagree with my point of view. 'Time is to eternity, as the mind is to what surrounds us.' |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:59:00 -
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Mellisa Jade wrote:
Im sorry that you disagree with my point of view.
Well tbh, it's been dismissed on the whole. This topic is now about fresh fish.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:59:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: Nor did I EVER state I know why she got banned
Yeah, but you did though Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Prove that Erotica 1 scamming and the bonus room (both of which still exist as activities by the way) are bad for the game. Oh man, you make this so easy I feel almost bad. Did you miss the part where she got banned for it?
Are you trying to claim Erotica1 did not get banned for his activities? ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3574
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:00:00 -
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Mellisa Jade wrote:Guys try to stay on topic. Its a discussion about the validity and virtue of CSM. If you dont agree with my point of view you dont have to. Bringing duscussions about other issues is not really what i was hoping for. Asking for threads to be closed on the basis that you plain dont agree with the op is not really very diplomatic and is really rather childish. I guess if CSM brings some people a modicum of fun and amusement then it could be a good thing. I do feel that most of the CSM members are either Goon or Goon sympathetic. It is a widley known fact that Goonswarm have stated as one of thier objectives, as a gaming community, is to destroy every game they land in. Im sorry that you disagree with my point of view.
I dont believe the CSM has real validity and only marginal virtue.
I think its a bit of a club, for the "most valued customers" to get free stuff, and thats cool in its own way too.
I FIRMLY disagree that its is Gewn-controlled, or that the Gewns are overall bad for the game or the playerbase.
The supposed "other topic" came up as it was, for all intents and purposes, created by a CSM member, and opposed by a CSM member, so to say its not of relevance to a conversation about the CSM I feel would be ignoring an important recent event which has brough a lot of spotlight to the CSM and what it does.
Funny how it happened at election time...... *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3574
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:00:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Are you trying to claim Erotica1 did not get banned for his activities?
Im successfully calling you a liar, mate *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:01:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: Are you trying to claim Erotica1 did not get banned for his activities?
Im successfully calling you a liar, mate
Answer the question, lass. ------------ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3574
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:02:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: Answer the question, lass.
Dont tell me what to do
I dont try, I do.
Do you see a post where I say what I think or know what E1 was banned for? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:02:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Mellisa Jade wrote:
Im sorry that you disagree with my point of view.
Well tbh, it's been dismissed on the whole. This topic is now about fresh fish. Why not Wiener Schnitzel? :( "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Mag's
the united SCUM.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:03:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:Mellisa Jade wrote:
Im sorry that you disagree with my point of view.
Well tbh, it's been dismissed on the whole. This topic is now about fresh fish. Why not Wiener Schnitzel? :( Could have it with the fish, I'm good with that.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:05:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: Answer the question, lass.
Dont tell me what to do I dont try, I do. Do you see a post where I say what I think or know what E1 was banned for?
Your position is logically untenable. Either Erotica1 got banned for: 1) Something she did. 2) Something she did not do.
My position is (logically) the former. So are you claiming the latter?
Be careful what you say now. ------------ |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
670
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:05:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:Mellisa Jade wrote:
Im sorry that you disagree with my point of view.
Well tbh, it's been dismissed on the whole. This topic is now about fresh fish. Why not Wiener Schnitzel? :( Could have it with the fish, I'm good with that. I just noticed that the title says disPand. ugh.
And...
Fish with Wiener Schnitzel.
That's disgusting! lol "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Mag's
the united SCUM.
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:07:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:Mellisa Jade wrote:
Im sorry that you disagree with my point of view.
Well tbh, it's been dismissed on the whole. This topic is now about fresh fish. Why not Wiener Schnitzel? :( Could have it with the fish, I'm good with that. I just noticed that the title says disPand. ugh. And... Fish with Wiener Schnitzel. That's disgusting! lol It's gourmet surf and turf.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
397
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:08:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: I don't need to explain that. I'm not CCP. And CCP doesn't need to explain it either, their TOS clearly states they dont discuss particulars. However CSM have stated they are satisfied she received due process, the Community is happy except for a few forum trolls and CCP itself issued a Statement reinforcing policy.
Thats how it is. Move on.
You can state it's your BELIEF that erotica1 was banned, but without confirmation by CCP or Erotica1 himself that he was banned, it's impossible to say it's a fact that he was banned.
Due Process could allude to a suspension, a deleting of all assets, a ban, a name change, and who knows what else.
Without confirmation one way or the other, stating it's a "fact" that he was banned is an erroneous statement, especially since you state yourself that your belief is what causes you to consider it a fact.
So the only FACT is that you believe he was banned, and you don't have to prove it.
But stating that it's a FACT he was banned is simply unprovable, which is why you can't prove it, which means until proven, it's a belief.
You BELIEVE he was in FACT banned.
I BELIEVE he was in FACT suspended, and changed his main to jet engine guitar hero. I can't prove my belief though, and I'd be willing to chuck it into the trash can if someone came along and proved for a matter of FACT what really happened. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3575
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:08:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
So are you claiming the latter?
Im not claiming anything
Im stating you made an completely false statement.
Nothing more, nothing less. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
673
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:08:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: Answer the question, lass.
Dont tell me what to do I dont try, I do. Do you see a post where I say what I think or know what E1 was banned for? Your position is logically untenable. Either Erotica1 got banned for: 1) Something she did. 2) Something she did not do. My position is (logically) the former. So are you claiming the latter? Be careful what you say now. I have no idea what goes on in her mind.
It's pretty obvious why Ero got banned.
Wiener Schnitzel with potatosalad in mayonaisse ... yummy! "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Mag's
the united SCUM.
17131
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:09:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: Answer the question, lass.
Dont tell me what to do I dont try, I do. Do you see a post where I say what I think or know what E1 was banned for? Your position is logically untenable. Either Erotica1 got banned for: 1) Something she did. 2) Something she did not do. My position is (logically) the former. So are you claiming the latter? Be careful what you say now. I'll go with 3. We don't know yet as he is still under investigation.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
673
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:11:00 -
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I see that the title got corrected.
Thanks! "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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