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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:12:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: Answer the question, lass.
Dont tell me what to do I dont try, I do. Do you see a post where I say what I think or know what E1 was banned for? Your position is logically untenable. Either Erotica1 got banned for: 1) Something she did. 2) Something she did not do. My position is (logically) the former. So are you claiming the latter? Be careful what you say now. I'll go with 3. We don't know yet as he is still under investigation. Why do you claim that, when it's clear why she got banned? "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3273
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:12:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Your position is logically untenable. Either Erotica1 got banned for: 1) Something she did. 2) Something she did not do.
My position is (logically) the former. So are you claiming the latter?
Be careful what you say now. It's pretty simple mate. Here's where it began:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Prove that Erotica 1 scamming and the bonus room (both of which still exist as activities by the way) are bad for the game. Oh man, you make this so easy I feel almost bad. Did you miss the part where she got banned for it? So you claim that the evidence that what Erotica 1 did was bad for the game was that he was banned for it. So this has 2 issues.
1. Being banned from the game doesn't mean that the activities you took part in were bad for the game, especially if those activities were unrelated (don;t panic, see point t2 in a minute). Even if they were related, with the act of banning not removing the activities themselves, it further evidences that the particular activities are not bad for the game. It's even feasible to suggest that increased marketing though minerbumping which supports the "be a villain" CCP campaign meant that Erotica 1s activities we good for the game.
2. By saying "for it" you claimed that your evidence was that CCP banned Erotica 1 for those activities, thus those activities must be bad, hence the banning. But you don't know why the ban occurred, so you can't cite that as evidence. Essentially you provided an opinion as a evidence to back up your original opinion which I'd challenged. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18086
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:13:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: I don't need to explain that. I'm not CCP. And CCP doesn't need to explain it either, their TOS clearly states they dont discuss particulars. However CSM have stated they are satisfied she received due process, the Community is happy except for a few forum trolls and CCP itself issued a Statement reinforcing policy.
Thats how it is. Move on.
You can state it's your BELIEF that erotica1 was banned, but without confirmation by CCP or Erotica1 himself that he was banned, it's impossible to say it's a fact that he was banned. Due Process could allude to a suspension, a deleting of all assets, a ban, a name change, and who knows what else. Without confirmation one way or the other, stating it's a "fact" that he was banned is an erroneous statement, especially since you state yourself that your belief is what causes you to consider it a fact. So the only FACT is that you believe he was banned, and you don't have to prove it. But stating that it's a FACT he was banned is simply unprovable, which is why you can't prove it, which means until proven, it's a belief. You BELIEVE he was in FACT banned. I BELIEVE he was in FACT suspended, and changed his main to jet engine guitar hero. I can't prove my belief though, and I'd be willing to chuck it into the trash can if someone came along and proved for a matter of FACT what really happened. It's not often I agree with you, but +1.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3575
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:13:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
I have no idea what goes on in her mind. Wiener Schnitzel with potatosalad in mayonaisse ... yummy!
Ew and you wonder what goes on in my mind hun?
boke lol *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3575
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:14:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Good Poast It's not often I agree with you, but +1.
Same, +1 *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
17131
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:15:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:I'll go with 3. We don't know yet as he is still under investigation. Why do you claim that, when it's clear why she got banned? Because RED SNAPPER
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
17132
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:16:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Good Poast It's not often I agree with you, but +1. Same, +1 I was like...OMG +1
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:17:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:I'll go with 3. We don't know yet as he is still under investigation. Why do you claim that, when it's clear why she got banned? Because RED SNAPPER ... meaning? "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3578
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:18:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:I'll go with 3. We don't know yet as he is still under investigation. Why do you claim that, when it's clear why she got banned? Because RED SNAPPER ... meaning?
meaning
WHEEL
OF
FISH!!!!!!!!! *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
397
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:19:00 -
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Yea thanks.
Considering my personal observation of how some people tend to conduct themselves when they disagree with a person, I felt obligated to conduct a clinic, an exhibition if you will, on how to disagree with someone respectfully without a condescending tone and without delving into the realm of disrespect and personal insults.
#thebest Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
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Mag's
the united SCUM.
17132
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:19:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:Because RED SNAPPER ... meaning? meaning WHEEL OF FISH!!!!!!!!! Nailed it.
(to the wheel ofc)
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:19:00 -
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Reading through this crap reminds me of advertisements.
As in ...
There is no proof that companies try to manipulate people into buying things, therefore we can not be sure that this is actually happening.
Yes, such people exist.
Which translates to: I am blind and ignoring reality that happens right before my eyes. "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Mag's
the united SCUM.
17132
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:20:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Reading through this crap reminds me of advertisements.
As in ...
There is no proof that companies try to manipulate people into buying things, therefore we can not be sure that this is actually happening.
Yes, such people exist.
Which translates to: I am blind and ignoring reality that happens right before my eyes. I once sold a bicycle to a fish. True story.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:24:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:You can state it's your BELIEF that erotica1 was banned, but without confirmation by CCP or Erotica1 himself that he was banned, it's impossible to say it's a fact that he was banned.
http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/03/dont-cry-for-e-highsec.html
Do you have any contrary evidence?
No?
If so, Ockham's Razor and the burden of proof favors the position that she was, infact, banned, until such a future point as where some further evidence is presented.
The proof is not certain, but since you have no evidence to the contrary, this remains the only evidence we have, and there is no plausible reason to not consider it true. ------------ |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:25:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Reading through this crap reminds me of advertisements.
As in ...
There is no proof that companies try to manipulate people into buying things, therefore we can not be sure that this is actually happening.
Yes, such people exist.
Which translates to: I am blind and ignoring reality that happens right before my eyes. I once sold a bicycle to a fish. True story. Would you mind answering my question? "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
3060
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:26:00 -
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Mellisa Jade wrote:My point about not trusting players to have any part in developing a game is proven. - All they will do is destroy it. nah having salvos crap in your thread doesn't prove anything other than how terrible his posting is |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3284
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:27:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Reading through this crap reminds me of advertisements.
As in ...
There is no proof that companies try to manipulate people into buying things, therefore we can not be sure that this is actually happening.
Yes, such people exist.
Which translates to: I am blind and ignoring reality that happens right before my eyes. I once sold a bicycle to a fish. True story. Would you mind answering my question? Never mind, you're referring to red snapper undoubtedly :p The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
SKINE DMZ
S U P R E M E - M A T H E M A T I C S A Band Apart.
447
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:27:00 -
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Trolls Salvos and Divine about to hit it off! everyone get your popcorns in I disagree
RAWR IM TOUGH |
Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
397
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:27:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:You can state it's your BELIEF that erotica1 was banned, but without confirmation by CCP or Erotica1 himself that he was banned, it's impossible to say it's a fact that he was banned. http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/03/dont-cry-for-e-highsec.htmlDo you have any contrary evidence? No? If so, Ockham's Razor and the burden of proof favors the position that she was, infact, banned, until such a future point as where some further evidence is presented. The proof is not certain, but since you have no evidence to the contrary, this remains the only evidence we have, and there is no plausible reason to not consider it true.
Well there we go, some proof, which is all anyone's been asking for.
Thanks for providing this!
So now the conversation can move past our beliefs on what could or could not have happened, and it can continue to move forward.
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4791
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:27:00 -
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Last I checked the CSM and the greifer/troll community were not exactly on what we call (Dr. Evil air quotes) "the same page".
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:29:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Well there we go, some proof, which is all anyone's been asking for.
Thanks for providing this!
You are welcome.
I had however already linked it earlier to Mag's in this very thread, however. *Glares at DE for not having thoroughly read the thread before coming at me* *Next time I shall not be so gracious* ------------ |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
678
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:29:00 -
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What's a red snapper?
Wtf is wrong with you people??? "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
397
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:30:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Well there we go, some proof, which is all anyone's been asking for.
Thanks for providing this! You are welcome. I had already linked it earlier to Mag's in this very thread, however. *Glares at DE for not having thoroughly read the thread before coming at me* *Next time I shall not be so gracious*
Well there's alot of nonsense going on in here, so forgive my over looking it. Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3284
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:30:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:You can state it's your BELIEF that erotica1 was banned, but without confirmation by CCP or Erotica1 himself that he was banned, it's impossible to say it's a fact that he was banned. http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/03/dont-cry-for-e-highsec.htmlDo you have any contrary evidence? No? If so, Ockham's Razor and the burden of proof favors the position that she was, infact, banned, until such a future point as where some further evidence is presented. The proof is not certain, but since you have no evidence to the contrary, this remains the only evidence we have, and there is no plausible reason to not consider it true. Well there we go, some proof, which is all anyone's been asking for. Thanks for providing this! So now the conversation can move past our beliefs on what could or could not have happened, and it can continue to move forward. That's only proof that at this point in time he is banned. It doesn't mean he's not under investigation (as when you are, the error message is the same), and it certainly doesn't mean he was banned for scamming and bonus room activities which is what Salvos is stating as evidence of his opinion that Erotica 1's activities were not good for the game.
You went to law school Salvos, so you should understand reasonable doubt. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18089
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:30:00 -
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Mellisa Jade wrote: The CSM appears to continually propel the development of the game onwards towards the whim of a bunch of people who have nothing but the destruction of the game in mind (Goonswarm +co). Why would Goonswarm (& co) want to destroy a game that they clearly enjoy playing?
That would be counterproductive. They're not out to ruin the game, they're out to ruin your game. There's a considerable difference.
Never go full Ripard |
SKINE DMZ
S U P R E M E - M A T H E M A T I C S A Band Apart.
447
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:31:00 -
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Forget the popcorn, it was a tarp! I disagree
RAWR IM TOUGH |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1875
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:31:00 -
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****Going off the rails on the crazy train**** I hope everyone voted in the CSM elections! Thank you to those who actually supported my campaign! Even if I don't get elected in, I hope that the CSM that do, and Devs actually use my ideas somewhere! |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
17136
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:31:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Reading through this crap reminds me of advertisements.
As in ...
There is no proof that companies try to manipulate people into buying things, therefore we can not be sure that this is actually happening.
Yes, such people exist.
Which translates to: I am blind and ignoring reality that happens right before my eyes. I once sold a bicycle to a fish. True story. Would you mind answering my question? Well whilst we can surmise he was banned for bonusgate. What we actually have evidence for at the moment, is that his account is perm banned whilst under investigation.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
17136
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:32:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:What's a red snapper?
Wtf is wrong with you people??? It's a fish, a red fish.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
678
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:33:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Mellisa Jade wrote: The CSM appears to continually propel the development of the game onwards towards the whim of a bunch of people who have nothing but the destruction of the game in mind (Goonswarm +co). Why would Goonswarm (& co) want to destroy a game that they clearly enjoy playing? That would be counterproductive. They're not out to ruin the game, they're out to ruin your game. There's a considerable difference. Can you please answer my questions?
These people had a mental breakdown or something and completely snapped... "My Favourite Nerdling GÖÑ" - Marsha Mellow
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