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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:25:00 -
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1. Remove lv 4 agents from highsec. Leave the exclusivity to lowsec and 0.0 NPC 2. Nerf force projection by adding a timer or an AU pool that replenish slowly. 3. Forbid JFs to jump in and out of lowsec trough cyno.
I know those are some radical changes but IMO those are all necessary to make this game much more interesting. New Eden would become a much bigger space to live in and people will have to rely much more from the space they live in.
peace
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Karen Avioras
Unsung Heroes The Volition Cult
415
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:29:00 -
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No, no and no. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS Triumvirate.
579
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:30:00 -
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Karen Avioras wrote:No, no and no.
lol, lol and lol :D BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Seliah
0mega.
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:32:00 -
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Putting aside the fact that you're suggesting 3 absolutely huge changes in a 6 lines long post, I have one question :
Zloco Crendraven wrote: 3. Forbid JFs to jump in and out of lowsec trough cyno.
If they can't use cynos in or out of lowsec, what good are JF's for exactly ?
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS Triumvirate.
579
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:35:00 -
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Seliah wrote:Putting aside the fact that you're suggesting 3 absolutely huge changes in a 6 lines long post, I have one question : Zloco Crendraven wrote: 3. Forbid JFs to jump in and out of lowsec trough cyno.
If they can't use cynos in or out of lowsec, what good are JF's for exactly ?
Move trough 0.0? Maybe corps, alliance should start recruiting industry people and rely more form space they live than from Jita. Have industry hubs, trade hubs in 0.0 also. Make people be more in space than in warp. BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1598
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:38:00 -
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Actually force projection is something that quite a few CSM candidates ride on and I think Fozzie and / or Rise mentioned this as an "issue" at least in one of recent live streams about incoming features for Rubicon.
L4s exclusive to low/null what would it solve exactly?
And I don't think null needs even more hussle with bringing goods from hisec. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Seliah
0mega.
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:40:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote: And I don't think null needs even more hussle with bringing goods from hisec.
I think OP wants nullsec people to be completely independent from highsec, which is not gonna happen just like that with 1 change to JFs. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS Triumvirate.
579
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:48:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Actually force projection is something that quite a few CSM candidates ride on and I think Fozzie and / or Rise mentioned this as an "issue" at least in one of recent live streams about incoming features for Rubicon.
L4s exclusive to low/null what would it solve exactly?
And I don't think null needs even more hussle with bringing goods from hisec.
Make lowsec and 0.0 actually more worthwile living in than highsec. You know that risk vs reward to actually apply for these secs. Exactly Null shouldn't even be hassling to bring goods from highsec. If you can't live from your space than you don't deserve to be in.
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS Triumvirate.
579
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:50:00 -
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Seliah wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote: And I don't think null needs even more hussle with bringing goods from hisec.
I think OP wants nullsec people to be completely independent from highsec, which is not gonna happen just like that with 1 change to JFs.
I don't want nul to be completely independent and it wouldn't even with the JF change. But like it is now is just plain stupid.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2014.04.23 15:14:00 -
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Wow where can I go to start a thread that has 3 major game changes and absolutely no effort made to explain or defend any reasoning behind them. |
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Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
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Posted - 2014.04.23 15:32:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:But like it is now is just plain stupid. Not unlike this proposal... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.04.23 15:55:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Wow where can I go to start a thread that has 3 major game changes and absolutely no effort made to explain or defend any reasoning behind them.
Everything is explained and defended ;) BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.04.23 15:56:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:But like it is now is just plain stupid. Not unlike this proposal...
The proposal just can't be any better ;) BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:27:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote: L4s exclusive to low/null what would it solve exactly?
Make lowsec and 0.0 actually more worthwile living in than highsec. You know that risk vs reward to actually apply for these secs.
This is nothing new, was proposed countless times and shot down every time it showed up.
There is no way people who don't leave hisec now would leave it chasing after L4 agents simply because it is not about L4 missions but about avoiding risk, effort and out of control interaction with other players. All those pretty and shiny marauders and tengus and machs would just roll over L3s and you wouldn't see any of them in lowsec any more than you see them now. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
3356
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:36:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:The proposal just can't be any better ;) I'm all for discussing ways to encourage more PvP in EVE, but let's consider one aspect your proposal at face value:
1. Removing L4 agents from high-sec.
L4 Mission-running is one of the few remaining revenue options left to high-sec players. After the industry expansion this summer, both manufacturing and mission salvage will be taking a hit. High-sec players are risk averse, so they won't be venturing into low-sec for L4s. And low-sec players are mission-averse, so we know they won't be running missions either. Basically everyone stops running L4 missions.
Which means there's zero incentive to run anything other than T2 fits in high-sec, which means no more bling. No bling translates into a huge income hit for low and null-sec players trying to sell their Faction and Deadspace wares, because few people run around in low-sec in expensive fits. This also means the end of suicide ganking, because it's not going to be very cost effective for T2 fits (and no one's going to bling up for L3 missions).
And this doesn't even factor in the mass exodus of subscribers which will turn high-sec into a veritable ghost town. Still sound like a great idea? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS Triumvirate.
579
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:49:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote: L4s exclusive to low/null what would it solve exactly?
Make lowsec and 0.0 actually more worthwile living in than highsec. You know that risk vs reward to actually apply for these secs. This is nothing new, was proposed countless times and shot down every time it showed up. There is no way people who don't leave hisec now would leave it chasing after L4 agents simply because it is not about L4 missions but about avoiding risk, effort and out of control interaction with other players. All those pretty and shiny marauders and tengus and machs would just roll over L3s and you wouldn't see any of them in lowsec any more than you see them now.
I am not looking for those people to go into lowsc. But some would and as a result lowsec would be a much better place to live in. BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
287
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:52:00 -
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Posting in stealth "nerf highsec" thread.
OP, NO. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:53:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:The proposal just can't be any better ;) I'm all for discussing ways to encourage more PvP in EVE, but let's consider one aspect your proposal at face value: 1. Removing L4 agents from high-sec.L4 Mission-running is one of the few remaining revenue options left to high-sec players. After the industry expansion this summer, both manufacturing and mission salvage will be taking a hit. High-sec players are risk averse, so they won't be venturing into low-sec for L4s. And low-sec players are mission-averse, so we know they won't be running missions either. Basically everyone stops running L4 missions. Which means there's zero incentive to run anything other than T2 fits in high-sec, which means no more bling. No bling translates into a huge income hit for low and null-sec players trying to sell their Faction and Deadspace wares, because few people run around in low-sec in expensive fits. This also means the end of suicide ganking, because it's not going to be very cost effective for T2 fits (and no one's going to bling up for L3 missions). And this doesn't even factor in the mass exodus of subscribers which will turn high-sec into a veritable ghost town. Still sound like a great idea?
Lol another doom caller.
I just think think that people in highsec would continue their play style. Some would leave, but some people would move into lowsec main chars and alts of not so risk averse people. Pretty muc eveyrthing would be the same except we would have a much healthier game where the rull more risk more profit would count, which is not the case atm. BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:53:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:1. Remove lv 4 agents from highsec. Leave the exclusivity to lowsec and 0.0 NPC 2. Nerf force projection by adding a timer or an AU pool that replenish slowly. 3. Forbid JFs to jump in and out of lowsec trough cyno.
I know those are some radical changes but IMO those are all necessary to make this game much more interesting. New Eden would become a much bigger space to live in and people will have to rely much more from the space they live in.
peace
#3 would bring back the old days of freighter convoy escorting. From what I've always heard... Everyone except low-sec pirates absolutely hated it. It's generally something along the lines of "Well, it was nice to be able to attack an enemies supply line, but spending an entire evening watching a freighter is not a great experience."
After they buff null industry, that might actually be an option. You'd have to actually pay a price if you wanted to build your goods in the safety of high-sec, that price would be having to work to get those goods to null.
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS Triumvirate.
579
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:54:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:Posting in stealth "nerf highsec" thread.
OP, NO.
It is not so stealth after all cmn...you can troll better. BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS Triumvirate.
579
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:56:00 -
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Cassandra Aurilien wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:1. Remove lv 4 agents from highsec. Leave the exclusivity to lowsec and 0.0 NPC 2. Nerf force projection by adding a timer or an AU pool that replenish slowly. 3. Forbid JFs to jump in and out of lowsec trough cyno.
I know those are some radical changes but IMO those are all necessary to make this game much more interesting. New Eden would become a much bigger space to live in and people will have to rely much more from the space they live in.
peace
#3 would bring back the old days of freighter convoy escorting. From what I've always heard... Everyone except low-sec pirates absolutely hated it. It's generally something along the lines of "Well, it was nice to be able to attack an enemies supply line, but spending an entire evening watching a freighter is not a great experience." After they buff null industry, that might actually be an option. You'd have to actually pay a price if you wanted to build your goods in the safety of high-sec, that price would be having to work to get those goods to null.
And that is exactly what i am thinking off. And ofc i welcome those freighter escorts with open arms. Industry and resources are getting better and better in 0.0. That is why i call the jf change. BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
3357
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:00:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:Lol another doom caller.
I just think think that people in highsec would continue their play style. Some would leave, but some people would move into lowsec main chars and alts of not so risk averse people. Pretty muc eveyrthing would be the same except we would have a much healthier game where the rull more risk more profit would count, which is not the case atm. You seriously underestimate most high-sec players if you think they'd simply move into low-sec... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
489
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:01:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:3. Forbid JFs to jump in and out of lowsec trough cyno.
do you want freighter ops? Because that's how you get freighter ops.
And before you say yes, let me say this: NO
THEY ARE NOTHING BUT BAD |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS Triumvirate.
579
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:07:00 -
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Rowells wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:3. Forbid JFs to jump in and out of lowsec trough cyno.
do you want freighter ops? Because that's how you get freighter ops. And before you say yes, let me say this: NO THEY ARE NOTHING BUT BAD
Mate my corp alone would make your alliance cry and beg for pass. So pls keep your ego down and go cry to the big daddy the Goon. BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1392
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:09:00 -
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1. hi-sec players will just run level 3's and incursions. No one moved when level 5's were moved. why would this be any different? 2. force projection is a valid concern, ur idea explains nothing though 3. ummm no. unless ur going to make ALL cyno's null sec only, theres no reason to make JF's different
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Hopelesshobo
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
207
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:16:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:1. Remove lv 4 agents from highsec. Leave the exclusivity to lowsec and 0.0 NPC 2. Nerf force projection by adding a timer or an AU pool that replenish slowly. 3. Forbid JFs to jump in and out of lowsec trough cyno.
I know those are some radical changes but IMO those are all necessary to make this game much more interesting. New Eden would become a much bigger space to live in and people will have to rely much more from the space they live in.
peace
1. Why? Level 5 missions are available in lowsec, and very few people run level 5 missions. This means that very few people would run level 4 missions. People would simply revert back to running level 3s.
2. Other ways to do it. No reason supporting your proposal vs other ways to nerf force projection. Some other ways to counter your proposal would be: a) Reduce the jump range b) Increase the capacitor needed to jump c) Give an aggression timer when you jump so that you cannot simply dock/undock after a jump to replenish your capacitor and jump again after 10 seconds ***Note I am simply suggesting easier methods that nerf force projection that use current mechanics in the game instead of programming new mechanics***
3. If this were to be implemented, then we need to forbid carriers, dreads and titans from using cynos into or out of lowsec. Which means since they cannot take gates, they will be stuck in whatever system they are currently in. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS Triumvirate.
579
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:16:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:1. hi-sec players will just run level 3's and incursions. No one moved when level 5's were moved. why would this be any different? 2. force projection is a valid concern, ur idea explains nothing though 3. ummm no. unless ur going to make ALL cyno's null sec only, theres no reason to make JF's different
No one said that hisec players would come into lowsec. Some players/alts maybe but for sure lowsec and 0.0 NPC would be on a bit better place than they are now.
There are countless of explanations of what i said about the force projection solution. They are not my ideas but i listed them as a good change: - A jump timer works basically that if you jump for a max range you get a max timer off 3-24 hours. There are many opinions of how many hours it should be. - The 2nd is about an pool of AU you have the right to jump until it depletes. It regenerates slowly. Skill can be there or not to affect the recharge speed. Marlona Sky from NC. has it explained on his blog.
3. Why. there are many exceptions in the game. A JF is a capital ship and it can go to highsec? BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS Triumvirate.
579
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:20:00 -
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Hopelesshobo wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:1. Remove lv 4 agents from highsec. Leave the exclusivity to lowsec and 0.0 NPC 2. Nerf force projection by adding a timer or an AU pool that replenish slowly. 3. Forbid JFs to jump in and out of lowsec trough cyno.
I know those are some radical changes but IMO those are all necessary to make this game much more interesting. New Eden would become a much bigger space to live in and people will have to rely much more from the space they live in.
peace
1. Why? Level 5 missions are available in lowsec, and very few people run level 5 missions. This means that very few people would run level 4 missions. People would simply revert back to running level 3s. 2. Other ways to do it. No reason supporting your proposal vs other ways to nerf force projection. Some other ways to counter your proposal would be: a) Reduce the jump range b) Increase the capacitor needed to jump c) Give an aggression timer when you jump so that you cannot simply dock/undock after a jump to replenish your capacitor and jump again after 10 seconds ***Note I am simply suggesting easier methods that nerf force projection that use current mechanics in the game instead of programming new mechanics*** 3. If this were to be implemented, then we need to forbid carriers, dreads and titans from using cynos into or out of lowsec. Which means since they cannot take gates, they will be stuck in whatever system they are currently in.
Ahm level 5 mission are very hard to run effectively in lowsec. Needs quite few skills and alts, if not like that than you are far better to run lv 4s which lots of people do. But hey guess what. LP rewards and the danger that lowsec brings makes them really not worth it compared to highsec lv 4s.
No need to forbid anything else, why it should be? After all Freighters are capital ships and they can go in hisec, it is an exception. BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Arthur Aihaken
Arsenite
3357
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:22:00 -
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Hopelesshobo wrote:1. Why? Level 5 missions are available in lowsec, and very few people run level 5 missions. This means that very few people would run level 4 missions. People would simply revert back to running level 3s. No, people would quit en-masse... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS Triumvirate.
579
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Posted - 2014.04.23 17:23:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Hopelesshobo wrote:1. Why? Level 5 missions are available in lowsec, and very few people run level 5 missions. This means that very few people would run level 4 missions. People would simply revert back to running level 3s. No, people would quit en-masse...
Nope, just like they won't when the hisec industry will take a hammer this summer (even a rhyme) BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
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