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Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos
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Posted - 2014.04.24 16:41:00 -
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Dear CCP,
Since this upcoming expansion focuses on industry, do you think you could perhaps throw us OCD combat pilots a bone? See, I have trained Defender Missiles to lvl 1. I don't remember doing this, perhaps I did it back in 2003. Who knows?
Please give us the option to self-lobotomize these skills. To be clear, I would expect these skill points to be lost, not de-allocated, thus preserving EVE's reputation as a harsh game for self-loathing gamers.
Now, I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of textbook buyback program enabling us to sell used textbooks. Honestly, I'm kind of tired of building new shelves to accommodate my collection of used textbooks. In the interest of being a greener capusleer, my Merlin runs on vegetable oil and I'm starting to buy my skillbooks in Kindle format.
I have provided a proposed UI mockup for how such a feature might look: http://i.imgur.com/Rpix8PD.png |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
548
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Posted - 2014.04.24 17:29:00 -
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What a great and innovative suggest... erm. No. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3889
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Posted - 2014.04.24 17:45:00 -
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If you want a mechanic to remove a skill... .with no benefit to you (no refunds, no skillbooks given back, etc), I'm alright with it.
I'd request that the mechanic takes a day or two before the skill removal is "finalized". This will limit the damage that a hacker can do to your account. Perhaps even limit it to one skill at a time.
I just don't want more than 4 hours of dev time spent on this. It's akin to letting you cut off your thumb because it points in a different direction than the rest of your finger. But meh, some people are just ******** like that.
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Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos
370
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Posted - 2014.04.24 17:56:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: If you want a mechanic to remove a skill... .with no benefit to you (no refunds, no skillbooks given back, etc), I'm alright with it.
I'd request that the mechanic takes a day or two before the skill removal is "finalized". This will limit the damage that a hacker can do to your account. Perhaps even limit it to one skill at a time.
I just don't want more than 4 hours of dev time spent on this. It's akin to letting you cut off your thumb because it points in a different direction than the rest of your finger. But meh, some people are just ******** like that.
I'm ok with all of this. What I'm proposing here is essentially the SP equivalent of rigs or implants. |
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
4168
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Posted - 2014.04.24 18:04:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: If you want a mechanic to remove a skill... .with no benefit to you (no refunds, no skillbooks given back, etc), I'm alright with it.
I'd request that the mechanic takes a day or two before the skill removal is "finalized". This will limit the damage that a hacker can do to your account. Perhaps even limit it to one skill at a time.
I just don't want more than 4 hours of dev time spent on this. It's akin to letting you cut off your thumb because it points in a different direction than the rest of your finger. But meh, some people are just ******** like that.
I agree with this.
If you sincerely simply wish to dump points, we already have the means to lose them in game, but not controlled or specifically useful to the method you described. (Dying in a strat cruiser or an under rated med clone)
I feel you have the right to do this. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked... |
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
167
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Posted - 2014.04.24 18:05:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: If you want a mechanic to remove a skill... .with no benefit to you (no refunds, no skillbooks given back, etc), I'm alright with it.
I'd request that the mechanic takes a day or two before the skill removal is "finalized". This will limit the damage that a hacker can do to your account. Perhaps even limit it to one skill at a time.
I just don't want more than 4 hours of dev time spent on this. It's akin to letting you cut off your thumb because it points in a different direction than the rest of your finger. But meh, some people are just ******** like that.
pretty much this - it should have a sub-menu 'confirm' much like leaving fleet/corp it should have a wind-up, say 24 hrs, in which it can be cancelled (like biomassing), and in this time it should appear on the login screen in a similar fashion to biomassing - to say - skills being deleted. it should be one skill at a time the skillbook should be lost, as should the skillpoints For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it WILL be. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
277
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Posted - 2014.04.24 19:13:00 -
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Well, a skill-removal request that doesn't involve sp reallocation? Sure, I'm game for it. It should be worth noting that the only possible benefit from this outside of the intended use would be potentially reducing your total sp amount (see clone upgrade costs), but even then having to wait at least 24hrs for on skill to get removed helps a bit.
(shrugging shoulders) Eh, +1. |
Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos
371
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Posted - 2014.04.24 19:15:00 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:Well, a skill-removal request that doesn't involve sp reallocation? Sure, I'm game for it. It should be worth noting that the only possible benefit from this outside of the intended use would be potentially reducing your total sp amount (see clone upgrade costs), but even then having to wait at least 24hrs for on skill to get removed helps a bit.
(shrugging shoulders) Eh, +1.
It's mostly for OCD folks like me that like consistency in all its forms. For example, I just trained Gal Freighter I on one of my toons and immediately regret it. Actions have consequences you say? Sure! I get rid of that skill, lose the SP, and lose the 75m for the skill book. |
Mag's
the united SCUM.
17146
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Posted - 2014.04.24 19:19:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: If you want a mechanic to remove a skill... .with no benefit to you (no refunds, no skillbooks given back, etc), I'm alright with it.
I'd request that the mechanic takes a day or two before the skill removal is "finalized". This will limit the damage that a hacker can do to your account. Perhaps even limit it to one skill at a time.
I just don't want more than 4 hours of dev time spent on this. It's akin to letting you cut off your thumb because it points in a different direction than the rest of your finger. But meh, some people are just ******** like that.
I'm fine with this also.
+1
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1199
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Posted - 2014.04.24 20:53:00 -
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Waste of dev time. |
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Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos
372
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Posted - 2014.04.24 21:08:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Waste of dev time.
Unlike ship painting? |
Marsha Mallow
344
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Posted - 2014.04.24 22:42:00 -
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I asked for this in 2011 when I noticed several alts had 12k in missiles. And I DESPISE Caldari ships. Posted here and they slapped me so hard I ran away in shame to enjoy the moment in private. So in frustrated OCD rage I had to train Missiles on 4 alts -.- They're not even finished training yet!
Not supported. I had to suffer, so should everyone else.
Maybe I phrased mine wrong tho, I was just angling at the ability to delete skills, then got all creative. Your idea was what I really meant. Shadowbanned and loving it Nerf Highsec AND Nullsec, unite the playerbase |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Cult of Mooby
171
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Posted - 2014.04.24 22:52:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Waste of dev time. Agreed. Completely agreed. If you can't deal with having a mismatched set of skills and you'd rather, quite literally, waste time then delete your toon and start over. |
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
168
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Posted - 2014.04.24 22:57:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Waste of dev time. Unlike ship painting?
different departments, though ship painting IS a waste of money spent on devs For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it WILL be. |
Yolo
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
144
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Posted - 2014.04.24 23:05:00 -
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Xe'Cara'eos wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Waste of dev time. Unlike ship painting? different departments, though ship painting IS a waste of money spent on devs Not condering the amount of PLEX being burned into AUR to buy them. CCP is laughing all the way to the bank. - since 2003, bitches |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Cult of Mooby
171
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Posted - 2014.04.24 23:08:00 -
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Yolo wrote:Xe'Cara'eos wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:Gypsio III wrote:Waste of dev time. Unlike ship painting? different departments, though ship painting IS a waste of money spent on devs Not condering the amount of PLEX being burned into AUR to buy them. CCP is laughing all the way to the bank. Vanity is expensive. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
292
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Posted - 2014.04.25 00:14:00 -
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Why? I don't get what the purpose would be? The Law is a point of View |
Leonard Nimoy II
Il Toro Pazzo
0
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Posted - 2014.04.25 02:14:00 -
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Honestly? I wouldn't be thrilled about this. There are a lot of players with younger siblings who might "accidentally" delet millions of SP (not to mention anyone who has ever succeeded at stealing another player's password). Just me $0.02 |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2146
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Posted - 2014.04.25 07:20:00 -
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Is this topic honestly going to keep coming up again and again? |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
394
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Posted - 2014.04.25 09:30:00 -
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I'll say no from me before ISD Ezwal plays forum whackamole again. Removing SP makes your clone cheaper and is therefore a benefit. You make your choices then you live with them.
In terms of OCD think of it as Exposure and Response Prevention therapy. |
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Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
348
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Posted - 2014.04.25 10:02:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Removing SP makes your clone cheaper and is therefore a benefit.
Wow, what a twist, your absolutly right! Support Comet Mining! |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
394
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Posted - 2014.04.25 10:23:00 -
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Lephia DeGrande wrote:[quote=Corraidhin Farsaidh]Removing SP makes your clone cheaper and is therefore a benefit.
...your absolutly right!.../quote]
Goes to show there's always a first time for everything...
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1286
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Posted - 2014.04.25 10:36:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Is this topic honestly going to keep coming up again and again?
probably
only it's normally "I don't want this skill anymore, let me reassign the points" this is slightly different.
I would LOVE to be able remove the mining skill from my list. I do not want to mine I will never mine Why CPP do you make me have a skill that I do not want |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
418
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Posted - 2014.04.25 11:45:00 -
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Lephia DeGrande wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Removing SP makes your clone cheaper and is therefore a benefit. Wow, what a twist, your absolutly right!
You do not know anything. CCP has already reduced clone costs & stated they wanted to eliminate them, so this reasoning does not work anymore.
Plus, if CCP were to charge a PLEX to Remove Unwanted Skills, then the 700mil cost of a PLEX would solve your thinking of someone only doing this to make a clone cheaper. 700 mil would amount to a hell of a lot clone upgrades.
I also have been pushing for this option to remove skills with no reimbursement for skill points or cost of skill books.
IF you have the right to install them, then you should have the right to remove them.
Now also CCP FORCES you to inject a skill if you want to try something out, i.e Planet Interdiction. I injected all five skills & did PI for awhile. I then decided I didn't like it & will never do it again. I should be able to remove those skills. My penalty is it will cost me a PLEX, skill points are lost, no reimbursement for cost of skillbook.
I am a noob starting out & I inject the wrong skill book & never train it past a few lvls because I dont use it. I should be able to remove the skill. I pay for this game.
Now the talk about why waste Dev time on this feature. First, it is not like CCP has ever not wasted Dev time before. If you think CCP will never waste dev time again, you are not living in the real world.
The tools for this are already in the game, it would not be hard for CCP to implement this feature.
R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
4171
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:12:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:I'll say no from me before ISD Ezwal plays forum whackamole again. Removing SP makes your clone cheaper and is therefore a benefit. You make your choices then you live with them.
In terms of OCD think of it as Exposure and Response Prevention therapy. That's like saying going broke is secretly a way to cheat on paying taxes.
The clone cost reflects an effective tax on the value of the character. It NEVER had the accurate value to the player, if they are trying to burn off points.
Keep in mind, games are supposed to be fair... it's real life that should come with warning signs. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked... |
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