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Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet Pasta Syndicate
820
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Posted - 2014.04.25 16:31:00 -
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I am a huge fan of player driven content even if it is something that inhibits my own game-play. When I was made aware that the CFC was going to "Burn" Jita my response was more of a shoulder shrug than a shiver down my spine. This year the only thing that is different is now The CFC have a bunch of Mobile Tractor and Mobile Depot units lined up next to their not so inconspicuous salvaging ships.
Last year "Burn" Jita did around 500 Billion in damaged during the event. This may seem like an awe inspiring numbers but in reality it's something to be ashamed of. Jita as a trade hub and center for the economy of New Eden, constantly has isk flowing in and out. Half a Trillion isk is less than 2% of the wealth moving through the solar system. If only from a statistical perspective, "Burn" Jita isn't all that effective at burning anything.
Adding insult to injury, this year the CFC has a massive network of Mobile Tractors and Depots which they are very clearly using to salvage and loot anything of value that they kill. The CFC has an inordinate amount of wealth both liquid and otherwise why then are they not just shooting the wrecks and adding impact to their event?
The answer to this question is simple. Greed
When any entity accumulates that much wealth, it has a tendency to become an end in-of itself. Rather than the wealth remaining as it should a means to an end it becomes the most important thing. This concept of wealth quickly becomes conflated with power and influence thus further reinforcing the mentality that more is always better.
Ultimately "Burn" Jita is an excellent PR Tool for CFC however anybody paying attention can see that this is otherwise brilliant player driven event is being used as an opportunistic cash grab for those that already have so much of it. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
808
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Posted - 2014.04.25 16:38:00 -
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This gonna be good.
*sips peppermint tea* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |
Herzyr
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2014.04.25 16:39:00 -
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It's more of ''Burn Freighters and any transport ships'' than anything else so far.
Good thing they have the MTU to scoop up the ph4t l3wt because some people don't read the forums and act as if everyday is the same day. |
Marsha Mallow
348
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Posted - 2014.04.25 16:52:00 -
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If you feel someone is being abused, please file a report with Inspector Ripard. Thanks for stopping by o/ Shadowbanned and loving it Nerf Highsec AND Nullsec, unite the playerbase |
Lair Osen
84
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Posted - 2014.04.25 16:52:00 -
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Do MTUs even loot freighter wrecks? |
Minerva Nebula
ZC Productions Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2014.04.25 16:56:00 -
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Do they have Mobile Tractor units? You said that. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
12799
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Posted - 2014.04.25 16:59:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:If you feel someone is being abused, please file a report with Inspector Ripard. Thanks for stopping by o/
Ripard Clouseau : Special Investigations / Instigations Unit Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Paranoid Loyd
435
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:03:00 -
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Your post has lots of words but no point. Why didn't you just post Grr Goons and be done with it? "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
6204
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:04:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:I am a huge fan of player driven content even if it is something that inhibits my own game-play. When I was made aware that the CFC was going to "Burn" Jita my response was more of a shoulder shrug than a shiver down my spine. This year the only thing that is different is now The CFC have a bunch of Mobile Tractor and Mobile Depot units lined up next to their not so inconspicuous salvaging ships.
Last year "Burn" Jita did around 500 Billion in damaged during the event. This may seem like an awe inspiring numbers but in reality it's something to be ashamed of. Jita as a trade hub and center for the economy of New Eden, constantly has isk flowing in and out. Half a Trillion isk is less than 2% of the wealth moving through the solar system. If only from a statistical perspective, "Burn" Jita isn't all that effective at burning anything.
Adding insult to injury, this year the CFC has a massive network of Mobile Tractors and Depots which they are very clearly using to salvage and loot anything of value that they kill. The CFC has an inordinate amount of wealth both liquid and otherwise why then are they not just shooting the wrecks and adding impact to their event?
The answer to this question is simple. Greed
When any entity accumulates that much wealth, it has a tendency to become an end in-of itself. Rather than the wealth remaining as it should a means to an end it becomes the most important thing. This concept of wealth quickly becomes conflated with power and influence thus further reinforcing the mentality that more is always better.
Ultimately "Burn" Jita is an excellent PR Tool for CFC however anybody paying attention can see that this is otherwise brilliant player driven event is being used as an opportunistic cash grab for those that already have so much of it.
Did you really just complain about Greed in a game that features (at the center of it's lore) Immortal space pirates?
Isn't that a bit like complaining that stealing is a sin while playing Grand Theft Auto? |
Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
456
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:08:00 -
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You know the rules and so do I
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4829
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:15:00 -
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When taking time to think about these BJ events, I'm led to some disappointment. Not for any judgment on the actions of CFC and their motivations, but an observation merely reveals the limitations on player driven content in an environment where the system just chugs along blissfully.
Were it up to me (TM) and I was at the wheel, I would drop a Sansha Incursion on the region during this event, and even have a live event of the sort that flags everybody with a suspect flag in the adjacent systems.
The goal would be to create a smorgasbord of elements that everybody likes from Live Event to additional PVe amidst a festering cauldron of PVP. Even the goons could appreciate that.
Before anyone starts griping that "carebears won't undock" or something like that, my experience with live events and flagged brawls is that if the event is momentous enough, people are not going to care about their ISK nor losing a ship. I will argue that such a day is what many players are actually waiting for.
But in fairness, there's only so much you can do with the given system. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
811
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:17:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:You know the rules and so do I
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling This post makes it sound like you're the alt of Xenuria. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |
Karen Avioras
Unsung Heroes The Volition Cult
445
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:29:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Last year "Burn" Jita did around 500 Billion in damaged during the event. This may seem like an awe inspiring numbers but in reality it's something to be ashamed of.
you do better then, dipshit. |
Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
456
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:31:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:You know the rules and so do I
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling This post makes it sound like you're the alt of Xenuria.
Inside, we both know what's been going on
We know the game and we're gonna play it Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Dave Stark
5063
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:33:00 -
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this thread is why people who voted for xenuria should feel bad. |
Xaerael Endiel
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
144
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:44:00 -
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Posting in a Xenurina trying to be relevant thread. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18123
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:50:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:this thread is why people who voted for xenuria should feel bad. People voted for him?
Someone call the Internet Morals and Corruption Inspectorate, who will probably assign Defective Teg to the case.
Never go full Ripard |
Dave Stark
5065
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Posted - 2014.04.25 17:53:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Dave Stark wrote:this thread is why people who voted for xenuria should feel bad. People voted for him? Someone call the Internet Morals and Corruption Inspectorate, who will probably assign Defective Teg to the case
i hope not. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18124
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Posted - 2014.04.25 18:01:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Dave Stark wrote:this thread is why people who voted for xenuria should feel bad. People voted for him? Someone call the Internet Morals and Corruption Inspectorate, who will probably assign Defective Teg to the case i hope not. Every Election should have a Screaming Lord Sutch, 3rd Earl of Harrow, ours wears a fedora.
Never go full Ripard |
Pubbie Spy
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.04.25 18:08:00 -
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I sit on a throne of freighter wrecks, ready for isk. |
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Benny Ohu
Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence
3095
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Posted - 2014.04.25 18:18:00 -
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it can't be 'a few nerds trying to make some spacemoney during a player event', can it? it has to be 'a massive network of cfc mtus' planned by high command |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3205
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Posted - 2014.04.25 18:26:00 -
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Burn Jita isn't just ganking. It's actually pretty fun (if you can get in) and there's a lot of people, not just goons, up to one thing or another. Those MTUs are going to be one of the first things to die. Last year I lost a LOT of Noctis looting around. I saw a lot of ninja looters, a lot of guys in massively tanked BS tractoring stuff, and people randomly ganking gankers. You should just try it.
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Dave Stark
5067
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Posted - 2014.04.25 18:28:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:it can't be 'a few nerds trying to make some spacemoney during a player event', can it? it has to be 'a massive network of cfc mtus' planned by high command
quick tinman, to the foilmobile! |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
745
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Posted - 2014.04.25 18:30:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:You know the rules and so do I
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Oh how I wish there was still a dislike button. Not today spaghetti. |
Marsha Mallow
354
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Posted - 2014.04.25 18:33:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:quick tinman, to the foilmobile! Tch stop derailing
To the Ripardmobile Shadowbanned and loving it Nerf Highsec AND Nullsec, unite the playerbase |
Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
457
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Posted - 2014.04.25 18:39:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:You know the rules and so do I
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling Oh how I wish there was still a dislike button.
You wouldn't get this from any other guy Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
714
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Posted - 2014.04.25 18:42:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:This gonna be good.
*sips peppermint tea* Mmm, peppermint tea. Delicious.
Oh it's SP .
Wtf happened. You look all different now... Remove insurance. |
Zheng'Yi Sao
DIRTY MONEY INC. The Mountain Empire
48
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Posted - 2014.04.25 18:58:00 -
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I am a Care Bear, and I support Burn Jita...
Generally, goons are KoS and I don't hesitate, but I appreciate the moral underpinning of the act.
Reason One
It is hilarious. This is a GAME people. Imagine where you would be if you spent half the time making real money instead of ISK?
Reason Two
I won't go overlong, because I had actually come back to the forums for a rant along these lines, but Hi-Sec NEEDS to be burned on occasion. By and large hi-seccers are bad mannered, complacent, entitled, crybabies who run their mouths whilst congregating in NPC corps where they cannot be war-decced. People in null sec have manners. I am blue, you are red. There is a civilized understanding. If I want to have something, I protect it. If i want to do something, I do so with attention and detail. Most of all, I work with others to maintain our mutual prosperity. I may be NRDS, CVA and all that stuff that makes all you yarrrrr folks crazy, but at least I have a sense of decency. I will not go so far as to say all Hi-Seccers are scum, but it would take a biblical amount of soap to clean up the ranks...
I am going to sit in Jita and laugh.
Though really, I half expect the server to crash just from the sheer volume of MTUs deployed...
Oh, the rebuttal...
Greed? Is that the best you can come up with? Is there an EvE crying towel? There are so many fascinating angles to this game, philosophy, politics, sociology. Burn Jita is about social action, about rattling nerves, and waking people up.
That is a rant for another time, however...
"It's funny the things you people think are mandatory for us, as if we don't do what we do because it's a hilarious good time in a space video game." - Johnny Marzetti
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Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
321
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Posted - 2014.04.25 19:03:00 -
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I'll never understand why CCP are apparently still seeding the Shitposting skillbook on the forums. |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet Pasta Syndicate
822
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Posted - 2014.04.25 19:12:00 -
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Sirinda wrote:I'll never understand why CCP are apparently still seeding the Shitposting skillbook on the forums.
Probably because it's the only forum skill that goons can train into.
CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
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