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Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
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Posted - 2014.04.27 07:10:00 -
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Drone anomolies and signatures in other areas of space are a waste of time and resources for the following quick reasons
1. They are of absolutely no value whatsoever. Noone gives a **** about collecting their bounties. 2. They're time consuming: hi guys I'm a drone combat site, sucks ass you had to spend time to find me but then find I'm the equivalent of a 2/10 and drop MAYBE some t2 salvage - meanwhile you're exposed to dying and needing to re-ship after finishing me. 3. They're inappropriately placed throughout the universe: I don't give a single **** if drones are a problem universally they don't have any reason to exist in god damn gurista NPC space or anywhere else where they aren't the dominant faction. **** off you drone bastards and your ****** site programming. 4. They're boring: fly in, kill some generic npcs who don't even drop loot, warp out. Delete these things from the game please.
There are numerous ways to improve drone sites but SOE chips aren't one and I still feel absolutely NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER to run a site just because it will drop a chip for a ship IDGAF about. EVER.
Here's a couple of ways to improve drone sites:
a) drop loot (crazy) like lasers and missiles and Shield modules and ****. b) reduce their numbers and make them that quasi-pvp NPC faction everyone has always harped on about. Drones are **** - make them at least interesting if I'm forced to grind their sigs in order to dispose of them. c) make their bounties higher than other factions, if they are already higher make them higher again. I benefit NOTHING from drone sites under the current model. d) introduce a random overseers can to every sig - if i walk away with something worth less than 10 mil right now guaranfuckintee I'll revert back to just ignoring these POS sigs
CCP are slow and lazy when it comes to improving the material that conservatively 80%+ of the player base consumes to entertain itself. It's no 'adequate', and it is certainly "broken" in the case of drone sites. Either **** them all off or improve them. God damn amateurs programmed these, you employ pros now - do something. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Garak n00biachi
Capital Destruction Brig Consortium
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Posted - 2014.04.27 12:43:00 -
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Its a sandbox,not yours but ours...if you dont want to do those drone sites....good! let others that DO want to take them get the drops then,why should CCP fix YOUR game and **** over others that arent as picky\lazy as you? |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
234
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Posted - 2014.04.27 13:03:00 -
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Feel free to address the points of lower-than-normal payouts and saturation levels any time. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.04.27 16:40:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Feel free to address the points of lower-than-normal payouts and saturation levels any time.
People will run whatever they deem to be the best, complain that there is not enough of the best, so if you give something better they'll stop running second best. Also CCP has always like there to be a bit of signature spam so that you have to do some sorting through it to avoid dross.
I actually quite like independence, not for any other particular reason than giant spiders and the hollow feeling of the message in local at the end - always underrated how text games can convey emotion (in a way visuals sometimes fails). I'd like to do the 5/10 escalation thingo one of these days to because of giant bugs.
I'd also have taken a drone encounter last night for the simple reason that I'd basically been offline for 2 weeks and my military index was 0, and 5 belts is hard work getting it back, and any anomaly will do at that point.
I also always thought drone regions being **** was to encourage the occupiers to attack other regions. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.27 17:49:00 -
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Rogue Drones have always been at the bottom of the NPC pile.
In the past they never had a Bounty. What made them bearable was the Alloys and Compounds they dropped which could be refined into minerals. However, thanks to the war on gun mining by Soundwave & Co., CCP decided more players needed to do mining (provide more gank targets) and removed Rogue Drone loot drops (promised Drone loot table). After a while due to Community outrage, CCP placed Bounty on Rogue Drones and with their promise of 'Soon', focused their attention on other things.
That was years ago.
Anyway, I agree Rogue Drones definitely need a loot table. Been promised for a long time. Should be easy enough to create one, just have it be a random selection of Tech 1 modules from all Factions. The Rogue Drone DED sites should drop random Faction/Deadspace modules.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2014.04.27 19:18:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Rogue Drones have always been at the bottom of the NPC pile. In the past they never had a Bounty. What made them bearable was the Alloys and Compounds they dropped which could be refined into minerals. However, thanks to the war on gun mining by Soundwave & Co., CCP decided more players needed to do mining (provide more gank targets) and removed Rogue Drone loot drops (promised Drone loot table). After a while due to Community outrage, CCP placed Bounty on Rogue Drones and with their promise of 'Soon', focused their attention on other things. That was years ago. Anyway, I agree Rogue Drones definitely need a loot table. Been promised for a long time. Should be easy enough to create one, just have it be a random selection of Tech 1 modules from all Factions. The Rogue Drone DED sites should drop random Faction/Deadspace modules. DMC
I think the loot tables are as screwed up as the pos code - bear in mind they couldn't just remove tech 1 items from the drops, they had to replace them with metal scraps. |
Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
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Posted - 2014.04.27 22:04:00 -
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I do drones anom sometimes and like the sentient drop loot, but it's OK if no one is interested |
Vtra
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.28 00:31:00 -
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Have any of you actually seen a sentient in a belt? I have nabbed atleast 40 Sentients in anoms that have dropped nothing but drone poo, and have had atleast 4 hauler spawns within the last 2 weeks and have not seen any Sentients in the belts nor anything besides drone poo in the Sentient wrecks. My luck just that bad? |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
925
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Posted - 2014.04.28 00:42:00 -
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Vtra wrote:Have any of you actually seen a sentient in a belt? I have nabbed atleast 40 Sentients in anoms that have dropped nothing but drone poo, and have had atleast 4 hauler spawns within the last 2 weeks and have not seen any Sentients in the belts nor anything besides drone poo in the Sentient wrecks. My luck just that bad?
It is harder to find sentients in belts because there is no drone NPC space, which means there is no drone broken truesec.
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Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
235
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Posted - 2014.04.28 00:46:00 -
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The half dozen sentients I've encountered have dropped nothing of note. Just drone salvage stuff. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
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Vtra
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.28 01:28:00 -
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Im not even sure whats in the loot tables for these things because at the moment it seems like crap and more crap and nothing else lol |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
235
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Posted - 2014.04.28 01:55:00 -
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To address the earlier comment about drone regions deliberately being bad to encourage people to move on elsewhere - how does that make any sense at all? Like actually it's a case of rich getting richer/poor getting poorer. How can people in the drone regions expect to fight against an opponent and win for the fact of merely that they're being punished by some arbitrary decisions made by developers to have one piece of the game not only be worse but so significantly worse as to actively punish the people living there.
It's commonly cited that the big russian empires made do with the drone regions thanks to gun mining supporting their capital manufacturing industry... and then the flipside are those who say that CCP bowed to goons pressure to force the russian area in to decline by stripping them of gun mining (and the flow on effect from neglecting the drone regions in the immediate aftermath causing a total economic collapse of those living there).
Hopefully now we live in a more enlightened age of EVE where developers are outright forbidden from maintaining any tangible connection to player entities and these sorts of salacious rumours (or truths) can stop occuring, we can make drones actually worth fighting.
And it can start by giving them a real loot table, I think. I would personnally offer shield modules, missiles and lasers as drops.
Others have said they should drop random NPC faction loot --- noble idea but I think I have one better: sentient drones have a decent chance of dropping random BPCs (appropriate for the size of the ship) that are for tech 1 ships with PERFECT material efficiency/production time/etc etc. This will give drone regions a unique gimmick over other areas of space as you can get maybe say a 5-run vexor BPC that costs a considerable amount less time and resources to build than standard ships.
Just a thought. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
925
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Posted - 2014.04.28 02:57:00 -
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I disagree, I doubt very much CCP made economic decisions regarding the drone regions at the behest of an alliance or coalition, they did it because it was killing mining everywhere.
As far as loot tables go, if I was in charge of the upcoming project to reduce power of drones so that there is room for faction drone mods, I'd have added those modules to a new sentient loot table and not to the extant Dread Gurista loot table. ie as a coalition rent slave, I'd have thought the game better served by that, even though the decision CCP has made suits me just fine personally.
I also seem to remember sentients having particularly large bounties. The "average" for a DG faction ship is not very big - ie I'd expect 8-10m on average in loot (comprised of nothing, nothing, nothing, 40m drop), and I seem to recall drones having a prebuilt bigger bounty - ie I am pretty sure I've shot a 20m bounty drone where I generally only see up to 12m on DGs.
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Vtra
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.04.28 03:36:00 -
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I have yet to see a Sentient bounty break the 13m mark, generaly I get them from 8-13m bounty per sentient with 0 drops unless you count the paltry amount of laughable drone poo thats used to make the integrated drones. Integrated drones suck and I have yet to see an integrated drone BPC drop from any wreck thus far but corp mates that scan and do the data/relic sites seem to haul them in occasionally.
Do the Sentient's drop anything other than the drone poo? Has anyone actually pulled anything out of their wrecks from the anoms besides the poo? I know they are "supposed" to have a chance to drop the nexus chips but I know that crap is rare and do not hedge any bets on those dropping ever.
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Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
237
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Posted - 2014.04.28 03:56:00 -
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You actually give two ***** about those nexus chips? Considering how bad the Nestor is seen by the average eve citizen the reward vs effort isn't there.
Also totally agree that drone related modules belong appropriately from drone regions. Sentients don't have significantly higher bounties than other commander spawns.
Please tell me how the changes to drone regions made the game better - sure remove gun mining - but not implementing at least a basic loot table and proper bounties to compensate is just ******** and it broke an entire region + associated missions/signatures. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Neutrino Sunset
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2014.04.29 08:44:00 -
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Making drones drop module loot seems rather pointless when CCP is just about to nerf module reprocessing into pointlessness, plus you'd need a hauler to move it, dropping the isk/hour/account ratio.
Personally I don't mind the payouts. A 5/10 DED site like Rogue Drone Outgrowth Hive pays out over 70M in overseers effects and bounties alone (closer to 100M if you want to haul the drone poop) and can be soloed in under an hour and a half.
Seems like decently balanced lowsec content to me. |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
240
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Posted - 2014.04.29 09:05:00 -
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You consider 1.5 hr for a mere 70m to be reasonable? In lowsec?
When I can run missions in near complete safety out of highsec - and once faction ammo/modules made from reprocessed minerals is taken in to account - I can make pretty much the same money?
Lowsec possibly shouldn't have its primary income model generated from content that works in high/null sec, just saiyin LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Neutrino Sunset
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
24
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Posted - 2014.04.29 09:18:00 -
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So when the efficiency of reprocessed modules is halved, as it is about to be, then the income from the drone exploration will be greater. Yes, that sounds like it would be balanced to me.
Especially since we are all aware the income from the drone content is among the lowest paying in lowsec.
It strikes me that with the rampant inflation, lucrative incursion, wspace and faction warfare income, everyone seems to think that if they aren't making 200M/hour they are being hard done by, which strikes me as somewhat unrealistic. |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
240
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Posted - 2014.04.29 09:46:00 -
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I consider 30m an hour to be the minimum someone who plays semi-seriously should be achieving. I been playing since 2009, that's long enough to see what's what. I've done WH (very briefly), null sov, null npc, merc stuff, lowsec FW, missions and now am an active participant for the khanid war. Raw income values have never been particularly important to me as our fits are spartan. They're built on a budget to the minimum effectiveness required.
I personally am not afraid of whelping something shiny for entertainment value - better than collecting dust in my hangar. ISK isn't a driving factor for me
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Since I do need to make money to feed my habits and drone sites seem particularly prevalent here in aridia/khanid, I can confidently state they are nearly worthless compared to say BR 5/10's and 6/10s. FInally: reprocessing changes won't matter a damn to me, at all, because I don't sell the excess minerals, I just keep manufacturing until the minerals are expended and fwiw I have about 330mil in surplus minerals stockpiled in another sysem. Cut in half? 160mil in surplus? What about when mineral prices rise due to this font of easy cash being neutered? Will I still be laughing just as hard? Yep. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Mr Welsh
Cause For Concern Easily Excited
4
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Posted - 2014.04.29 11:37:00 -
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i moved to low sec this month and 4/10 5/10 6/10 have a chance to drop decent loot, if they dont its ok il find another one,but the drone sites really are poo poo! a POO's POO like you said there a waste of space, time , graphics, i wasted 2-3hours doing alot of these and i was greeted with a drone that reped all my damage in the end i over heated my guns and burnt them out and just warped out n went home, wasted all my time, and the 4 5 6 /10 are the best, u spend 2mins scanning systems, get ur alt in teh site, run it in less than 15mins, happy days, up to 1b loot! they need to seriously sort the drone bag of shait i made a post 2 weeks ago about this |
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Creedo Cain
Hydrogen Explorers Brothers of Tangra
0
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Posted - 2014.05.01 14:55:00 -
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Unfortunately, CCP wont respond to this thread .. its only a matter of time before its locked out, as pretty much any thread about drone has been. |
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
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Posted - 2014.05.01 19:56:00 -
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if you don't like drones, then why you're paying for sitting there? just move to some other renting space |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1923
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Posted - 2014.05.01 20:13:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Drone anomolies and signatures blah blah blah
Then don't do them. I have no problem with them, don't mind the salvage, and the occassional commander is nice (the drone mats dropped are almost an insult, but whatever).
And don't tell people what to address in your whiny little post. We'll address whatever the bloody hell we want to address. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Caleb Seremshur
Capital Storm. Black Flag Society
242
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Posted - 2014.05.01 21:04:00 -
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Thanks for your valuable input as always. Go away now. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2014.05.01 21:16:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Thanks for your valuable input as always. Go away now.
I like how this becomes the "go to" line when someone's argument is rendered invalid.
You don't like drone sites. Others do. You don't care what others think. Only your opinion matters. So in effect, all you are doing is ranting about game content that YOU find horrible and want changed to suit your concept on what is right.
This is EVE. It is a sandbox. What an individual wants is irrelevant. What is relevant is what the community wants. |
Fl4chz4ng3
Lost in shadow Brothers of Tangra
0
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Posted - 2014.05.11 20:24:00 -
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I live in drone region at the moment and the 20 minutes bounties are not really bad (you can exepect 100/120M per hour).
But that's all !!
The drone 10/10 is not solable, you must bring at least 1,5k dps (or RR dominix, etc etc) even a solo maurauder can't defeat the mother alone. OK the salvage drop is really awesome but you have to bring friends (or boxing) with you.
The hierarchy, independence and radiance are random concerning the escalations.
And the sentient have not higher bounty than other commanders and the loot... Sometimes you have a surprise when you salvege the wrecj but as always in drone space, it's random but since 11 months luck is not on my corp side.
Some simple tricks be helpful to bring to this region a real interest than tranquility.
ps: I think the SOE chip is a troll more than 100 sentients killed since the release and no drop at all, neither my corpmates neither my constellation mates...
Fl4 |
Khadrea Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
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Posted - 2014.05.12 06:59:00 -
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Fl4chz4ng3 wrote:
ps: I think the SOE chip is a troll more than 100 sentients killed since the release and no drop at all, neither my corpmates neither my constellation mates...
Fl4
It's not. I got one in high sec. |
Fl4chz4ng3
Lost in shadow Brothers of Tangra
0
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Posted - 2014.05.13 07:39:00 -
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You are really lucky capsuleer !!
May be with the next extension the 10/10 will be more profitable ... |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
290
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Posted - 2014.06.10 04:30:00 -
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https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Outgrowth_Rogue_Drone_Hive Just found this real gem of game design. Check this out
Quote:Structure drops 9th Tier Overseer Personal Effects.
Getting through the gate into Room 2 requires the skill "Plasma Physics" trained to Level 4. It also requires a Zbikoki's Hacker Card.
Who the hell thought this would be a positive and meaningful thing to do with a pve site? So without items I might have no way to possess and a skill my combat toon has no reason to train I can't progress beyond the first gate? Excuse me?
Not only are drone sites terrible for rewards but they're horribly designed from the outset. I seriously hope whoever designed this mission has quit/been fired because this **** is ********. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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