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B Raan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.28 02:53:00 -
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I was listening to a recent podcast, and among other things, they got into the discussion about the EVE subculture of so called "tear collectors". At the risk of starting a flame war, I'm curious to know what others think about this phenomena.
Do you despise the collectors? Are you cool with the practice? Could you care less?
Are you a tear collector? Why do you do it?
Try to follow the forum rules, and discuss. For science! |
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.28 03:52:00 -
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I'll tell you about tears. Some of the best tears in the year and some months I've been playin flowed from the emergent gameplay community in the two weeks following the bonus room debacle and subsequent ban that ensued. Warmed the cockles of my heart. Yes indeed, my cockles were burning. |
Cannibal Kane
The Kane Inquisition
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Posted - 2014.04.28 03:52:00 -
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I don't care much for it.
People now a days will call any silly things tears such as people not agreeing with somebody is suddenly tears. I think the best place to still read real tears is on the minerbumping site.
I tend to keep the mails I receive to myself but that is due to the stuff I do ingame.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.04.28 04:10:00 -
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I find it amusing when supposed adults erupt into rage, tantrums and insults over a computer game. I used to laugh when my uncle Joe would throw SNES controllers when he lost at Super Mario also. So yeah, it encourages me when I can derive extra amusement from something I'd be doing anyway. You could call me a tear collector, mostly because I keep a fairly large list of hatemails I have received. But I truly don't care, to be honest, I have played videogames like this since UO, and it's not really different here.
Also as Kane says, people tend to misappropriate the concept of "tears" to apply to things that it really doesn't. This has cheapened the concept, in my opinion, diluted it.
As to the podcast itself, I would suggest that you talk to your sound guy, listening to that was... weird. That or one of two of you need new mics. The podcast is also a little disorganized, I suggest that you guys set someone as a director to keep things moving along.
Oh, and an obligatory jab at Anslo. His statements were about what I'd expect of him. Someone who is thoroughly upset that other people are allowed to play the way they want to, that other people say mean things about casuals, and doing his best to puff up his supposed accomplishments. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
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Posted - 2014.04.28 04:12:00 -
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wat
*goes back to torturing small helpless bunny rabbits and pulling wings off pigeons*
Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.04.28 04:50:00 -
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I like watching people that are actively obnoxious for some reason melt down. If I see someone launch a racist tirade in local, I'll quietly note their name and watchlist them, then suicide gank their pod and, if it has a crystal set, contract them a low-grade crystal alpha, and EVEmail them saying "Hope this helps you get back on your feet after the big loss". Ditto for people saying things like 'scammers should be banned' or 'gankers are as bad as schoolyard bullies/child abusers/school shooters'.
I will also engage in 'tear harvesting' if sending my opponent on-tilt will advance some strategic end. This is something I learned IRL playing poker, where 'tear harvesting' when you inflicted a bad beat on someone (with a comment like "about time the best player won") often made them lose a lot of chips to you over the next hours.
I don't harvest tears from people that I respect in any way. Set the universe on fire - then sell the survivors ash. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2736
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Posted - 2014.04.28 04:52:00 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:wat
*goes back to torturing small helpless bunny rabbits and pulling wings off pigeons*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhuMLpdnOjY is a song a friend put me onto years ago.
Harvesting PETA tears since the 50s. Set the universe on fire - then sell the survivors ash. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.04.28 05:37:00 -
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Got close to the end.
Wow.
Seriously crying about getting pipebombed in a stream? Good lord, get some Opsec.
[edit: Oh, and of course they bring sexual assault into it.
If you are literally giving real time intelligence on your location and tactics that is open to the public, yes, you are going to get dunked if someone cares to do so.
It's not "blaming the victim", it's telling you that cause and effect are a thing. Jesus Christ.
I shut the stream off at that point. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2014.04.28 06:20:00 -
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Tears are one of those things that I don't look for. I never go out of my way to upset anyone and hope other people are just having fun playing eve too.
BUT: Sometimes I am just playing eve and tears just 'happen' over something I have done - it is usually hilarious and entertaining.
If a line someone says is really 'special' - It goes in my bio. Docked since 2009. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
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Posted - 2014.04.28 07:47:00 -
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Tears, it's the lifeblood of EVE. The more carebears cry, the more EvE Online grows. The Tears Must Flow |
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1288
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Posted - 2014.04.28 07:54:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Got close to the end.
Wow.
Seriously crying about getting pipebombed in a stream? Good lord, get some Opsec.
[edit: Oh, and of course they bring sexual assault into it.
If you are literally giving real time intelligence on your location and tactics that is open to the public, yes, you are going to get dunked if someone cares to do so.
It's not "blaming the victim", it's telling you that cause and effect are a thing. Jesus Christ.
I shut the stream off at that point.
The guy crying in this podcast, epic tears. I love this game :) The Tears Must Flow |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.04.28 10:31:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Got close to the end.
Wow.
Seriously crying about getting pipebombed in a stream? Good lord, get some Opsec.
[edit: Oh, and of course they bring sexual assault into it.
If you are literally giving real time intelligence on your location and tactics that is open to the public, yes, you are going to get dunked if someone cares to do so.
It's not "blaming the victim", it's telling you that cause and effect are a thing. Jesus Christ.
I shut the stream off at that point.
I cannot stand people that trivialise sexual crimes by claiming that suffering a defeat in a competitive game is in any way similar.
Set the universe on fire - then sell the survivors ash. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.04.28 11:28:00 -
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i think tears are the best part of eve.
mainly because it's the unique aspect of eve that has probably kept it going for over a decade. most games rely on regular content, cool new mechanics etc... eve, on the other hand doesn't because of tears and the meta game. i don't really know of any other games that encourage people to influence a game outside of it's strict "you go here, and kill this boar, and if the rng god is happy you get a new shiny sword".
tears themselves are meh, but the fact that the game allows it to happen is something really awesome. |
Pubbie Spy
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.28 11:29:00 -
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Internet Spaceship Tears are serious business, guys.
That's why I collect them as a full time job. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
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Posted - 2014.04.28 13:02:00 -
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Ill have to say Kane hit it on the head. 9/10 times there are no tears. Just because someone disagrees with something doesnt mean its crying.
That being said...
It makes it all the better when the real tears do come along. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Soylent Jade
New Order Logistics CODE.
84
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:04:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I like watching people that are actively obnoxious for some reason melt down. If I see someone launch a racist tirade in local, I'll quietly note their name and watchlist them, then suicide gank their pod and, if it has a crystal set, contract them a low-grade crystal alpha, and EVEmail them saying "Hope this helps you get back on your feet after the big loss". Ditto for people saying things like 'scammers should be banned' or 'gankers are as bad as schoolyard bullies/child abusers/school shooters'.
^^^ This, except I wouldn't contract that person anything.
I don't actively attempt to harvest any tears, but if someone that gets so upset over losing a spaceship in a game based around losing spaceships that they issue death threats and such, they definitely have bigger issues than "tear collectors". Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time
minerbumping.com |
B Raan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.28 22:45:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Mike Adoulin wrote:wat
*goes back to torturing small helpless bunny rabbits and pulling wings off pigeons*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhuMLpdnOjY is a song a friend put me onto years ago. Harvesting PETA tears since the 50s.
Lol, Tom Lehrer as the original tear collector? I love it!
+1 for referencing one of my all time favorites :) |
Precentor Saggitus
Planet Express Transport
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Posted - 2014.04.29 02:44:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Also as Kane says, people tend to misappropriate the concept of "tears" to apply to things that it really doesn't. This has cheapened the concept, in my opinion, diluted it.
For once I agree with you. The concept of farming tears or whatever one wants to call it is so over applied in the game, that few people are actually doing it. You always see people in local claiming what "tears" they've caused when it really doesn't seem that there was that great of effect. Making tears seems now to have become a synonym for any sort of non-consentual PvP whether it actually caused any reaction on the losing party. Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow. |
RcTamiya Leontis
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2014.04.29 08:08:00 -
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Smacktalk lost it's "professional"level over the years though
That beeing said, nowdays it's more like " respectless flaming, trashtalking and annoying" than tears from carebears who really "care & cry"
However i still can't stop shooting other people's ships and laugh when i receive an evemail of a randomventure landing in my bubble ..... |
Tengu Grib
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:33:00 -
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Personally, so far in my eve life of crime, the amount of tears I attempt to harvest depends on the reaction of my victim to the initial encounter. There was one guy me and a buddy suicide ganked, we spoke to him in local for several minutes before we blew up his illegal retriever (he said he was bored, so we changed that), then continued to talk to him in local. He was a good sport about it, and ended up creating his own gank alt and joined us on a couple gank runs so far.
Another guy was talking smack in local, so we dec'd him, got 7 kills off him during the war (4 ships 3 pods), and he kept talking smack the whole time, and continued to do so after the war. So we did what we could to make his life miserable. Haven't really seen him on much lately, but everytime we do he's complaining about us in local, so I'd say mission accomplished.
I recently awox'd a guy, he was genuinely an awesome guy, if misguided and lacking quality recruitment standards, he dealt with the awox really well, he was more disapointed that I wasn't honest rather than angry. So I was much nicer to him than I could have been. Had he started yelling or swearing, things would have turned out much more poorly for him.
tl;dr In general I'm fine with the idea of tear collecting, but personally it really depends on the victim, the more belligerent they are, the more tears I'll try to milk from them. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
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Coffee Rocks
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
169
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:32:00 -
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B Raan wrote:I was listening to a recent podcast, and among other things, they got into the discussion about the EVE subculture of so called "tear collectors". At the risk of starting a flame war, I'm curious to know what others think about this phenomena. Do you despise the collectors? Are you cool with the practice? Could you care less? Are you a tear collector? Why do you do it? Try to follow the forum rules, and discuss. For science!
Scroll up. Read the Pirate Story Thread.
Me? I personally don't care for it, and find it to be deplorable. I collect enough tears through normal game play when achieving my goals, but it's not the intent (I just needed that moon, that POCO, that Catch, etc). Purposefully targeting players for no other reason thatn to grief them? Sad state of game play, and sad excuse of a player imho. thecoffeerocks.blogspot.com Twitter: @thecoffeerocks |-áSteam: CoffeeRocks | thecoffeerocks.blogspot.com https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=327221 |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
626
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:24:00 -
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Coffee Rocks wrote: Me? I personally don't care for it, and find it to be deplorable. I collect enough tears through normal game play when achieving my goals, but it's not the intent (I just needed that moon, that POCO, that Catch, etc). Purposefully targeting players for no other reason thatn to grief them? Sad state of game play, and sad excuse of a player imho.
I would have to say that tears are REALLY only tears when they come from normal gameplay. And honestly, those are the funny ones.
/agree Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
B Raan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.02 09:46:00 -
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Coffee Rocks wrote: Scroll up. Read the Pirate Story Thread.
I have, and tbh I've never found it to be very entertaining. I'm of the opinion that if someone logs on just with the intent of trying to make another person mad, that's not really emergent gameplay. In that case you're just being a douchebag.
If on the other hand your just playing the game (and I would count piracy, ganking and scamming to be normal gameplay in EVE) then more power to you. If someone is upset in this case, they are probably just being a bad sport.
The problem it seems is that intent is near impossible to determine.
I just shrug most of this off myself. Site there have been times when I was frustrated, but that's just part of EVE it seems. |
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