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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
650
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Posted - 2014.04.29 17:34:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:eh. sig radius is far less important than it's supposed to be, and % for %, far better than a speed penalty.
Clearly you have never been bombed.
These new rigs are going to be worth the laughs. Don't forget BPOs, plz. GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥
-Grath Telkin, 2014. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
506
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Posted - 2014.04.29 17:57:00 -
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Swiftstrike1 wrote:I might put some on my orca alongside the DCU and bulkhead in the lows, but I can't think of any other situations where I'd ever use them. Tristan fleet with hull repair drones, duh. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
1208
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:13:00 -
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Cripes ~ |
eliminator2
Moretsu pirates
3
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:33:00 -
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would be nice to have a full new load of hull tanking ships confuse the hell out of people can imagine it
"HAHAHA that mega has shockingly bad armor tank haha he gunna d......... HES HULL TANKED OH NOWZ HULL IS GOOD"
or something along them lines
i really do wanna use hull tanking for real though |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
12933
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:41:00 -
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Errrrrrrmaaaagggeeeeeerrrrrrrrdddd!!!!!
Finally. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
1112
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:51:00 -
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Not just yes, but HELL yes.
Gallente hull tanking FTW!
Now make the hull repairers useful again. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5615
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Posted - 2014.04.29 20:34:00 -
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So if we can't shield tank, and we suck at armor tanking, basically you're telling us to go to hull? To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
El Geo
Pathfinders. Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
196
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:30:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:and who would use them? hull tanking as a whole is something that needs work if you expect people to hull tank anything
Gallente pilots? path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
743
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:54:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Nah. The speed penalty is fine. It fits with the rest of the armor rigs
It's a HULL rig. Not an armor rig.
But it is listed with the armor rigs, which reduce speed. And the bulkheads modules, which also adds hull hp also reduces speed.
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Catherine Laartii
Knights of Xibalba
160
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:59:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Nah. The speed penalty is fine. It fits with the rest of the armor rigs
It's a HULL rig. Not an armor rig. But it is listed with the armor rigs, which reduce speed. And the bulkheads modules, which also adds hull hp also reduces speed. The armor repair rigs increase pg cost instead of reduce speed. This indicated flexibility in that area, and reflects a greater need to change penalties for rigs in general. |
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Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
743
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Posted - 2014.04.29 22:12:00 -
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The ships that would benefit the most from a percent bonus to hull HP aren't going to miss the speed.
You guys need to stop trying to ruin good things. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2173
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Posted - 2014.04.29 22:43:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Nah. The speed penalty is fine. It fits with the rest of the armor rigs
It's a HULL rig. Not an armor rig. But it is listed with the armor rigs, which reduce speed. And the bulkheads modules, which also adds hull hp also reduces speed. But overdrive injectors require hull upgrades and the penalty is cargo space. In all seriousness 1. Hull rigs should be different than armor rigs. (somebody mentioned armor repair rigs don't cost speed as well) 2. This is the discussion phase. There's no reason they have to put HULL rigs in the same category as armor rigs. 3. Reinforced bulkheads should also have a different penalty than speed (such as cargo space) . Their downside should be different than armor mods.
Why? 1. It's more interesting, and 2. I would love to put a proper hull tank on my sub-BS class Gallente hulls such as my Federation Navy Comet. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
523
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Posted - 2014.04.30 00:09:00 -
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Anyone know what the numbers on a hull tanking marauder (specifically Kronos) in bastion might look like? |
kogelbiefstuk
Contraband Inc
1
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Posted - 2014.04.30 00:12:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Another small change in our Summer 2014 release that we're ready to collect feedback on:
We're planning on adding a series of Hull HP rigs. These rigs will use the Armor Rigging skill, with the same speed decrease penalty as trimarks. They will be available in all sizes. The T1 rigs would increase hull hitpoints by 20%, at the cost of 50 calibration. The T2 rigs would increase hull hitpoints by 25%, at the cost of 75 calibration.
We don't expect these to replace trimarks and CDFEs for most players, but having the option should be interesting in several cases.
Let us know what you think! -Fozzie
So you are saying Gallente buff ? all other races with there futile hulls .... just saying. |
Vivi Udan
Multiplex Gaming Li3 Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.04.30 01:50:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:...we're ready to collect feedback on...
So does that mean it's on singularity? Or will it be on there SoonGäó
The Mittani of House GoonWaffe,-áFirst of His name, King of the Goons and VFK,-áMaster of griefing,-áLord of the CFC, Warden of the West,-áand Protector of Deklein. |
stoicfaux
4688
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Posted - 2014.04.30 01:59:00 -
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Rowells wrote:Anyone know what the numbers on a hull tanking marauder (specifically Kronos) in bastion might look like? 72% resists with DCII + Bastion mode. Assuming the hull rigs do not stack as per trimarks, then we have 45,300 hull with six Reinforced Bulkhead IIs. So 45,300 * 1.25 * 1.25 = 70,781 hull points. EHP would be 70,781 / (1.0 - .72) = 252,790 EHP for just the hull. So, 70k hull versus ~ 61k armor with plates.
Then when you add in high grade Ark implant set (that was obviously unintentionally omitted from the OP...) that gives us (70,781 *1.338) / (1.0 - .72) = 338,213 EHP for just hull.
If you add in the Faction and Officer Reinforced Bulkheads, plus the Duct Tape pills/boosters/drugs promised by CCP Fozzie, then the numbers start to get a tad silly.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Trinkets friend
Kenshin. Northern Coalition.
1402
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:37:00 -
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Back in the days of yore, when I were a mere jellybean in an egg floating about in space, all alone, I got drunk on donkey puke and unicorn farts and I fitted a full rack of bulkheads and a DCII to my Typhoon. I compensated for the lack of gyros and BCU's (this being when Typhoons were for skillled losers, you nubletys) with 4 x Heavy Neuts and 4 x Torp II's plus twin Calefaction rigs to pump DPS up to Ridonkadonk levels and leave me with the neuting power of a crippled Bhaalggorn. Via automagical processes MANPHOON was born.
MANPHOON was a known and feared terror in the early days of w-space, especially around J144218, wherein my brosuf Wintz lurked with Herpalerp the Archon with 3 x Capital Hull Repairer I's.
Even without the stupidd, stupid tanking ability of Herpalerp at it's side, MANPHOON would regularly YOLO into gangs of T3's and bait tank into hull. Fools, they just don't disengage no matter how stupid the odds when they have a torp phoon (lol, right) in hull. Then suddenly no cap and sudden buggery.
The dynamic duo of Herpalerp and MANPHOON (aka Fleshlight, what I still have in my special hangar I reserve for ships with 100 kills on the hull) faced off against twin Hyperions on the B274 on day. Powered by remote Capital Hull Repper I's and an energy transfer, the damage wrought was excessive and hilarious.
I, for one, relish the day when MANPHOON (aka Fleshlight) can be undocked again to bait fools into Archon hull rep triage.
In all seriousness, hull reppers need to cost half as much capacitor, 33% less CPU and cycle 33% faster. After a heavy engagement away from Herpalerp, it could take me an hour and a half to rep the damn thing. YOLO is the Carpe Diem of Gen Y http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1189
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Posted - 2014.04.30 10:17:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:having the option should be interesting in several cases. in several cases? I think you mean in orca cases.
I support it, but would like to see more hull tankers. Maybe freighters should get rig slots or something. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
176
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Posted - 2014.04.30 11:07:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:Powers Sa wrote:RIP orca ganking literally the only ship that would ever use these rigs
I can see some applications for use of these on barges/exhumers (looks at extra low on Skiff)
Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown |
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
176
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Posted - 2014.04.30 11:28:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Rowells wrote:Anyone know what the numbers on a hull tanking marauder (specifically Kronos) in bastion might look like? 72% resists with DCII + Bastion mode. Assuming the hull rigs do not stack as per trimarks, then we have 45,300 hull with six Reinforced Bulkhead IIs. So 45,300 * 1.25 * 1.25 = 70,781 hull points. EHP would be 70,781 / (1.0 - .72) = 252,790 EHP for just the hull. So, 70k hull versus ~ 61k armor with plates. Then when you add in high grade Ark implant set (that was obviously unintentionally omitted from the OP...) that gives us (70,781 *1.338) / (1.0 - .72) = 338,213 EHP for just hull. If you add in the Faction and Officer Reinforced Bulkheads, plus the Duct Tape pills/boosters/drugs promised by CCP Fozzie, then the numbers start to get a tad silly.
What is this "Ark implant set" you speak of?
Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown |
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stoicfaux
4690
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Posted - 2014.04.30 12:05:00 -
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Patri Andari wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Rowells wrote:Anyone know what the numbers on a hull tanking marauder (specifically Kronos) in bastion might look like? 72% resists with DCII + Bastion mode. Assuming the hull rigs do not stack as per trimarks, then we have 45,300 hull with six Reinforced Bulkhead IIs. So 45,300 * 1.25 * 1.25 = 70,781 hull points. EHP would be 70,781 / (1.0 - .72) = 252,790 EHP for just the hull. So, 70k hull versus ~ 61k armor with plates. Then when you add in high grade Ark implant set (that was obviously unintentionally omitted from the OP...) that gives us (70,781 *1.338) / (1.0 - .72) = 338,213 EHP for just hull. If you add in the Faction and Officer Reinforced Bulkheads, plus the Duct Tape pills/boosters/drugs promised by CCP Fozzie, then the numbers start to get a tad silly. What is this "Ark implant set" you speak of? It's the hull equivalent of Crystal and Slave implants. It's obvious that CCP Fozzie forgot to mention that they're in the Summer release's Hull Tanking Overhaul. The set was given the name 'Ark' as a reference to the greatest hull of all time, i.e. Noah's Ark, which had to carry two of every species on Earth (including freshwater fauna!) which would have required a hull the size of a small country to do. Quite impressive for a Pre-Duct Tape, proto-2x4 technology tech base.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
176
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Posted - 2014.04.30 12:16:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Patri Andari wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Rowells wrote:Anyone know what the numbers on a hull tanking marauder (specifically Kronos) in bastion might look like? 72% resists with DCII + Bastion mode. Assuming the hull rigs do not stack as per trimarks, then we have 45,300 hull with six Reinforced Bulkhead IIs. So 45,300 * 1.25 * 1.25 = 70,781 hull points. EHP would be 70,781 / (1.0 - .72) = 252,790 EHP for just the hull. So, 70k hull versus ~ 61k armor with plates. Then when you add in high grade Ark implant set (that was obviously unintentionally omitted from the OP...) that gives us (70,781 *1.338) / (1.0 - .72) = 338,213 EHP for just hull. If you add in the Faction and Officer Reinforced Bulkheads, plus the Duct Tape pills/boosters/drugs promised by CCP Fozzie, then the numbers start to get a tad silly. What is this "Ark implant set" you speak of? It's the hull equivalent of Crystal and Slave implants. It's obvious that CCP Fozzie forgot to mention that they're in the Summer release's Hull Tanking Overhaul. The set was given the name 'Ark' as a reference to the greatest hull of all time, i.e. Noah's Ark, which had to carry two of every species on Earth (including freshwater fauna!) which would have required a hull the size of a small country to do. Quite impressive for a Pre-Duct Tape, proto-2x4 technology tech base.
Thanks for that. Do you have a link to any other info?
Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1305
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:40:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Now all we need are rig slots for freighters (hint, hint)...
No. The Tears Must Flow |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
321
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Posted - 2014.04.30 14:05:00 -
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we already have speed reduction rigs. make it cargo capacity reduction
Rowells wrote:Anyone know what the numbers on a hull tanking marauder (specifically Kronos) in bastion might look like? it would look like ****. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
678
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:01:00 -
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Patri Andari wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:Powers Sa wrote:RIP orca ganking literally the only ship that would ever use these rigs I can see some applications for use of these on barges/exhumers (looks at extra low on Skiff)
Also the Noctis ... |
Oddsodz
The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare.
82
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:29:00 -
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Please PLease PLEASE.. No speed penalty. Please Don't slow me down any more than I already am in my Gallente ships.
Oh and No bubble fit Eris just got epic |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
242
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:31:00 -
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Gotta love all the pirate QQ in this thread over being forced to bring a tad more people then usual to gank an orca.
This change should somewhat increase survivability for industrial ships and PvP applications also sound interesting. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
566
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:50:00 -
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Good Sir Mr. CCP Dev, Thank you.
Orcas only need a single ACR to fit an MWD, so finally something to replace those warpspeedrigs with 8)
Err:
Trinkets friend wrote: [...] Herpalerp and MANPHOON [...] against twin Hyperions on the B274 [...]
Trinkets friend wrote:[...]Powered by remote Capital Hull Repper I's [...]
Trinkets friend wrote:[...] B274 [...]
Trinkets friend wrote:[...] remote Capital [...]
What is wrong with you?! "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
739
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Posted - 2014.04.30 21:57:00 -
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A long overdue addition to the rig lineup.
As previously mentioned, some interesting gallente fits become possible.
Better buffer on bait industrials - we'll have some fun with that.
Thanks.
Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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Oxide Ammar
103
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Posted - 2014.04.30 23:25:00 -
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Hull tanking is real...I knew it ! |
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