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Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
291
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:56:00 -
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In my experience, some factors that affect your crews morale and dedication are inherent to what you do. If you frequently lose ships and crew, you've established a precident of low odds for them, and that presents a major factor for anyone, whether they fully accept it or not.
My current crew is due to stand down and go home in about eighteen days, with just over half being the same people who flew into combat with me during my first real sorties. As it is, I've gotten pretty close to them. Most other capsuleers would suggest I'm a fool to do so, but the value of making your appreciation of the risk they take cannot be overstated. I live among them, rather than locked up in my quarters, as often as I can. We eat together, talk, laugh, and share burdens as soldiers should, not as me lording over people as a "demi-god" (what a crock).
Aside from paying them well, I put forth a not insignificant effort towards ensuring that they have the best training available, particularly in terms of emergency survival, and put down a little extra ISK for proper equipment. Beyond that, if the worst comes to pass, I offer them the peace of mind of knowing their families will be taken care of. It's a pittance for a capsuleer to offer up sustenance funds, health care, and education grants. I don't even see the "drain" on my accounts. But you'd be surprised how far that pittance goes with your crew.
I'm much the same with my marines. Their weapons, armor, gear and training is all paid for out of pocket, without regard to brand name loyalty, to ensure they have the best I can get for them. They're crew too, and at even greater risk of injury or death with the job they do... Which brings me to my final point...
When they do die, honor their sacrifice. We come back. They don't. Nothing else can make up for the utter contempt that using and discarding the dead as if they were automatons shows. |
Ghelisis Achasse
Scope Works
18
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Posted - 2014.05.01 09:52:00 -
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I have perused your replies, and I think some of them will help tremendously. It appears any new crew I hire does not think of me as a competent captain, and it only takes a few sorties to make them think otherwise, even though I offer them the standard crew perks. Once established however, they love their station. Case in point:
Stationed in low security, I have SWS Red Cyclone, a Cyclone-class battlecruiser. The crew stationed on that ship is currently on leave, well-deserved R&R, but although it is docked in a station, and I have contacted the CEO of said station about housing for them, a few of them do not use station facilities. In fact, they prefer to actually LIVE on my ship. Of course, they disembark for the station bar every so often. Warp drive technician nearly got irradiated after a night of hard partying...oyyy
Anyhow, I am going to implement new protocols on my ships based on your replies. I can always count on fellow capsuleers to help! Thanks. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
2195
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Posted - 2014.05.01 12:03:00 -
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Ghelisis Achasse wrote:I can always count on fellow capsuleers to help! Thanks.
You're so dead. Oh wow. |
Anslo
Scope Works
4951
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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:02:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Ghelisis Achasse wrote:I can always count on fellow capsuleers to help! Thanks. You're so dead. Oh wow.
Care to explain...
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3591
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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:17:00 -
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That's kind of the funny thing: you CAN count oncapsuleers to help. We can be among the nicest and most inclusive people in all of New Eden towards our newest graduates and even to our senior veterans if there's a gap in their knowledge.
you just can't trust capsuleers not to exploit you. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
2198
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Posted - 2014.05.02 00:00:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Ghelisis Achasse wrote:I can always count on fellow capsuleers to help! Thanks. You're so dead. Oh wow. Care to explain...
He is counting on capsuleers to help. He is going to die many times while he learns that lesson. |
ValentinaDLM
Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators
520
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Posted - 2014.05.02 00:36:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:If there is a difference of opinion between myself and a crew member we sit down for twenty minutes, talk about it, and then agree that I was right.
You know with the right tweaks to some Trans Cranial Microcontrollers, you could probably shave some time off of that twenty minutes. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
291
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Posted - 2014.05.02 00:52:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Anslo wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Ghelisis Achasse wrote:I can always count on fellow capsuleers to help! Thanks. You're so dead. Oh wow. Care to explain... He is counting on capsuleers to help. He is going to die many times while he learns that lesson. Never trust a mind you can't read, yes? |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
300
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Posted - 2014.05.02 02:54:00 -
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It is always imperative that one has only the most talented and trustworthy of chefs aboard, ideally one who is also well versed in fine wines. Likewise, a good steward to properly handle the dry cleaning is required, as is bringing at least one household chambermaid to supervise the others whilst traveling. Of course one must be practical as well, so I usually forgo bringing a butler along on anything smaller than a cruiser. For journey's taking longer than a few hours a stylist can certainly prove useful so as to still be properly presentable upon arrival. Regardless of the ship one should always bring one's Kameria bodyguards, even on something as small as a shuttle... correction, especially on something as a shuttle. The sound of the Amarrian heart |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1049
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Posted - 2014.05.02 04:00:00 -
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Ideally if chef could make crew walk on the ship only orderly in strict formations. |
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
386
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:50:00 -
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Saya Ishikari wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Anslo wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Ghelisis Achasse wrote:I can always count on fellow capsuleers to help! Thanks. You're so dead. Oh wow. Care to explain... He is counting on capsuleers to help. He is going to die many times while he learns that lesson. Never trust a mind you can't read, yes? And only believe half of the ones you can. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
748
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Posted - 2014.05.09 03:53:00 -
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Most of the ships I fly are combat vessels, and as such are run in a military fashion meaning a chain of command. The fact I am a capsuleer doesn't have much of an effect on crew structure, though like any commanding officer I maintain a trusted executive officer to help manage crew.
My structure is a bit muddied due to my long operations away from a stationary base. I often spend long periods of time living out of my Orca, so things are structured more as a squadron operated out of a naval base (though crews can move around between ships reasonably freely as long as operation readiness is maintained). Still it is a chain of command and crew have to report to that or they won't be my crew much longer (and when I am involved in operations in uncharted space you want to be on my crew since infrequent visits to empire space mean long stays in the brig should the XO fire you) |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
544
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Posted - 2014.05.10 09:18:00 -
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One of the technological marvels used by the Righteous, is a Takmahl mass cloning device.
This device is capable of generating an entire replacement crew from a suitable mass of whatever biological matter is available.
E.g. if you have ~6000 kg of plankton, fish or animal products available, the device will turn out around 100 crew. Enough for a bunch of frigates, or a light cruiser.
Marvellous. |
Neus
Dynamite Mining Division
30
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Posted - 2014.05.13 10:48:00 -
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I have promoted skilled crew that have stuck with me over the years to ensure in my absence that not only are my crew cross-trained, but vetted for the role they perform.
I also rely on status reports daily for critical tasks, and weekly for non-essential tasks. I routinely take on cargo, tourists, and discreet V.I.P. passengers across the ships I own which requires consistent reporting around the clock. The key to crew performance and keeping a crew well-adjusted between recreation and duty is providing balance and motivation. Having a running schedule and giving clear expectation also assists.
The cross-training is also very important as much as it is not something that is favorable to most crew members, but the incentive for this gains them better pay and larger chance for promotion. The benefit on the side of running a ship is even when crew numbers drop you'll likely have viable options to still complete your missions. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
466
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Posted - 2014.05.13 11:43:00 -
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I try to generally stay the hell out of the way. I know every ship and subsystem I own intimately, but actually doing the jobs they do is something they're trained and experienced with. The best companies to hire crews from are generally recognized by the fact that they train their people to ignore pretty much everything the implanted nutcase does or demands and instead do their jobs exactly to specification from their parent company, or what their chief tells them.
When crew starts falling over themselves to kiss my arse and follow my every whim I start to get worried, because that implies they're more concerned with my good graces and money than keeping my ship and myself in peak working order.
The anthill that constitutes a ship may need a queen, but she should mostly sit in the pod and do her thing while everyone else makes sure the damn thing doesn't collapse.
tl;dr As with guns, combat, maintenance etc, I have people for that. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Neus
Dynamite Mining Division
30
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Posted - 2014.05.14 03:50:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:When crew starts falling over themselves to kiss my arse and follow my every whim I start to get worried, because that implies they're more concerned with my good graces and money than keeping my ship and myself in peak working order.
The anthill that constitutes a ship may need a queen, but she should mostly sit in the pod and do her thing while everyone else makes sure the damn thing doesn't collapse.
tl;dr As with guns, combat, maintenance etc, I have people for that.
The person that mentioned a Queen was you. A crew requires a leader with the scope of intutive and abstract cognition; delegation and working along side your crew at times is key for a loyal crew. Clear direction helps immensely. A well-rounded leader utilizes leadership styles depending on the situation. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
401
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Posted - 2014.05.14 05:02:00 -
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Neus wrote:Jinari Otsito wrote:When crew starts falling over themselves to kiss my arse and follow my every whim I start to get worried, because that implies they're more concerned with my good graces and money than keeping my ship and myself in peak working order.
The anthill that constitutes a ship may need a queen, but she should mostly sit in the pod and do her thing while everyone else makes sure the damn thing doesn't collapse.
tl;dr As with guns, combat, maintenance etc, I have people for that. The person that mentioned a Queen was you. A crew requires a leader with the scope of intutive and abstract cognition; delegation and working along side your crew at times is key for a loyal crew. Clear direction helps immensely. A well-rounded leader utilizes leadership styles depending on the situation. Airlock. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
468
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Posted - 2014.05.14 09:53:00 -
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I would agree, except in any situation where my leadership is required I'd be in the pod. At any given moment where I'm not in the pod, there are several men and women seemingly carved out of some mountain range with a lifetime of experience and education in leading ship crews that'll do the job with a nigh infinitely greater proficiency than I could provide.
I could internalize every buzzword on hands-on leadership I want but these people are simply far better at it than I am, and they are also very much able to translate my whims and desires into actual practical solutions and orders that work for the best of me, the ship and the crew.
Of course, if you don't hire the best from the best egger-crew companies, you'll have to spend your time solving all the problems that should never have existed on the ship in the first place. This is best solved with money and the best damn XOs the companies have available, then staying out of the way while they do the job.
All your points are valid, but they apply to people one rung down on the ladder. Not us. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Caroline Grace
Grace Stellar Conveyance Inc.
516
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:28:00 -
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Ghelisis Achasse wrote: how do you smooth things over with a new crew?
Order pizza. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1075
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Posted - 2014.05.15 16:03:00 -
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Caroline Grace wrote:Ghelisis Achasse wrote: how do you smooth things over with a new crew?
Order pizza. Pizza is a hedonistic and unhealthy food. It must be banned! Down with gallentean decadence! Crew deserves proper nutrition! |
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Caroline Grace
Grace Stellar Conveyance Inc.
518
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:16:00 -
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How dare you!
Pizza is a delicious and yummy food and under the protection of our mighty Federation Navy. You mess with pizza, you mess with Navy! |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
478
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Posted - 2014.05.15 18:27:00 -
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It even counts as a serving of vejutablz. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
755
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Posted - 2014.05.15 21:09:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:I try to generally stay the hell out of the way. I know every ship and subsystem I own intimately, but actually doing the jobs they do is something they're trained and experienced with. The best companies to hire crews from are generally recognized by the fact that they train their people to ignore pretty much everything the implanted nutcase does or demands and instead do their jobs exactly to specification from their parent company, or what their chief tells them.
I am like that generally, but there are exceptions. If I am captaining a frigate at the time (which is not an infrequent occurrence now that I have moved back to the State), and something catastrophic happens and we aren't going anywhere, I will pitch in with engine maintenance. It's a field I am competent in, and frigates always run light on grew. With less than a dozen people on board each one of them is essentially a department head in charge of themselves, so command structure is a bit more condensed and a bit looser and informal for the most part, and everyone needs to be able to assist the other crew outside their own area of expertise even if that help is in the form of holding a flashlight or turning a screwdriver.
Also as far as frigates go, you probably want a bit better skilled and experienced people on-board because that cross-training is so useful, and, in general, that results in you getting older crew that have been doing this a lot longer, so most of them earn't crawling over themselves to please the demi-god inside the egg like fresh recruits sometimes do, so I think interacting with them tends to go over a little bit better. Granted you do occasionally end up with people who have developed a longstanding grudge, but I personally try to weed them out of my frigate crew pool due to the morale and discipline problems that can cause. I have been known to mingle with crew a bit since I need downtime too, but it's the small ships that really throw you in with the rest of the men and women since larger vessels usually have segregated facilites for officers and enlisted, and even larger vessels subdivide the groups (ie. enlisted are divided into crew and NCOs, officers are divided between junior and senior)
Diana Kim wrote:Caroline Grace wrote:Ghelisis Achasse wrote: how do you smooth things over with a new crew?
Order pizza. Pizza is a hedonistic and unhealthy food. It must be banned! Down with gallentean decadence! Crew deserves proper nutrition! Food cubes for everyone, because, you know, no Caldari has ever been able to actually enjoy things occasionally. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
478
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Posted - 2014.05.15 21:41:00 -
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Well said, I concede the point. I never fly that class of ship so I've no experience with that situation myself, and thus defer to your words on the matter. The only real mingling I do with crew though, is when they get to see my arse in the air halfway inside a subsystem I've gotten curious about.
What can I say? Technician by breeding and education. Old habits stick hard. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
757
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Posted - 2014.05.15 21:56:00 -
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I am there with you. Though my record shows I am a career soldier even into my capsuleer training, I have always been something of a tinker, and engineering is something of a hobby, though it's now been expanded into something of a second career, and I have a small scale research and development firm that specializes in propulsion engineering. My current focus is on ways to utilize starship modules to supplement or replace core functions of the ship, and if you subscribe to any research journals, you may have noticed a piece authored by my firm regarding a redesign to the MWD interface to let the backup warp systems utilize certain components of an installed MWD for redundancy (A MWD isn't a warp drive, but they do have some parts in common).
You may find me crawling about in an engine bay at times, but that is actually more likely to be one of my firm's test ships rather than one of my personal vessels.
This may be a bit of a tangent, but working with a team of scientists and engineers is different than working with a crew even though I am still the head researcher (also, due to the nature of capsuleer based research utilizing the implants and wetware of the researcher, the reason training is required and affects the speed and results, and why there's a limit to the number of jobs, I am also a component part of the mainframe) |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
478
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Posted - 2014.05.15 22:01:00 -
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Interesting. I'd pick your brain (and patents) if I had the time. Alas, my own labs and manufacturing facilities require my own time and attention. Not to mention my bed, so be well Captain Kraid and good fortune with your R&D. I'll have to keep an eye out in the journals for your work. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
409
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Posted - 2014.05.15 22:29:00 -
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Caroline Grace wrote:How dare you!
Pizza is a delicious and yummy food and under the protection of our mighty Federation Navy. You mess with pizza, you mess with Navy! And thus began the great Gallente/Provist Pie war.... The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Deitra Vess
S.E.B.I.E.S.T.O.R.
18
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Posted - 2014.05.16 04:33:00 -
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its just food.......... if they dont like it more for you... |
Charles Cambridge Schmidt
A Separate Peace
12
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Posted - 2014.05.16 17:38:00 -
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For my Frigates - since all I really find myself in are Gallentean ships - I usually hand pick the one or two individuals who man my ships. It's not too big of an issue considering stress or employment or whatever because I tend to do thorough, thorough background checks on any crew I don't eat up from a business who throws them at me. The biggest I'll go via handpicking is a destroyer-class, my main example being my Algos.
I've sort of betrayed my own mantras and made unusually friendly with my Algos crew. I've seen some of the baseliner fanfic they've written? It's kind of, uh. Well, it's out there. These guys and gals are some of the best I've ever worked with, though, and they understand they probably won't live until retirement. Maybe I've indoctrinated them with my dashing looks, who knows?
Anyway, though it's immensely satisfying, I'd honestly suggest keeping distance when it comes to crew because you'll rarely get as lucky when it comes to reliable people. Remember, you're known to hundreds of thousands if not millions of people, so there's a high chance someone will have an ulterior motive (at least if you've posted up in Gallente space).
EDIT - Also, whoever you are, you probably have fanfic somewhere on GalNet about you and someone else. Read at your own risk. Some of it is pretty good, not gonna lie. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
3634
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Posted - 2014.05.16 17:45:00 -
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The above is precisely why it's so good to recruit from a corporate labour pool. These people are professionals with careers and families. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
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