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Farsiris Arbosa
Dayman Industries
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Posted - 2014.04.29 04:43:00 -
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In the four months that I've played this game, I've rejected all charity. I don't accept any donation unless I feel I've done something to earn it. I also only work with friends if I feel they're getting something out of it too. I've acted this way, in part, because I don't think that most EVE players get hand-outs, so I feel I shouldn't either.
...But, on a second thought, I could be totally wrong.
Did you get financial help when you first started EVE? If so, was it in the form of ISK? Ships? What?
Is it normal? Look at my sig, my sig is amazing |
Sher Rayet
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2014.04.29 05:00:00 -
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Sometimes I hand out skill books to new pilots than selling it for petty isk. Always nice to replace their ships too since newcomers get frustrated losing it over accidents or mishaps. Some newbs think their ship will last forever.... nope.
If you're veteran and a few billion in your wallet, it doesn't hurt to bring up another pilot faster than having him/her grinding the game. Eventually they grow up and self sustainable. |
Sibyyl
545
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Posted - 2014.04.29 05:04:00 -
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All but one of the donations I've received were unasked for (the last one was because of a post I made on GD). Every one of them escaped my notice until a couple days had passed. The total amount is tens of times larger than what I've legitimately earned in game since I started (I spend 50% of my time on explo, industry, etc.).
I make secret donations to corpmates who've lost ships. My goal is to lose all I've gained to random acts of kindness. I don't consider this ISK to technically be mine.
/Fÿ¡ Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention Psychotic Monk joins BNI |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
523
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Posted - 2014.04.29 05:07:00 -
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I got relieved a few ships I was flying badly I geuss... |
Webvan
State Protectorate Caldari State
2216
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Posted - 2014.04.29 05:09:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:Did you get financial help when you first started EVE? If so, was it in the form of ISK? Ships? What? Nope, not at all. This is a game of "trust no one". Never any offer of help when I was a newbie. More so than any other game, kinda thought players just outright hated new players invading their game. |
Brylan Grey
Scope Works
34
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Posted - 2014.04.29 05:33:00 -
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Not a soul helped me. On and off for 5 years I tried EVE and never could get it. People never offered a hand.
Last time I tried, made a new chat from scratched (due to having different char creation) and by sheer random chance met a nice pal in NPC corp chat and it's been great since.
So... In this game, don't look for how to play as much as who to play with, they will guide you. |
Petrus Blackshell
Derelict Rifter Enterprise
3103
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Posted - 2014.04.29 05:34:00 -
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I received some material and financial assistance to get started on my pew pew, but I sort of needed that if I were going to stick with the game. I find Eve's PVE to be just awful, so if I had had to build up from nothing to PvP-capable stability, I would have probably just quit.
This is why I always try to get newbies interested into PvP into some place where they have access to tons of inexpensive (if not free) PvP ships. Rifterlings - newbie-friendly swashbuckling corp ("weflyrifters" in-game channel). Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Flex Carter
Caldari Independant Mining Association
127
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Posted - 2014.04.29 05:34:00 -
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Actually, back in my day (young whippier-snapper) the Yulai System was one of the primary trade hubs. Numerous people would freely offer basic and advanced learning skill-books not to mention a fist full of isk to noobies to promote the game. Of course there were only 7000 or so of us on the server at the time... Man the good-ole days |
Marsha Mallow
405
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Posted - 2014.04.29 05:42:00 -
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I got passed a few million by older players early on in rookie chat for answering questions. Once I joined a decent corp there were a lot of mods and ships passed to newer members, and as we got bigger and made more money we expanded that into corp cap skillsbooks, carriers etc. In larger groups handing out Skillbooks/Mods and Ships to new players is pretty common. Even now though, if people pass me stuff I tend to pay for it. Generosity is nice, but chances are I have more ISK than them.
There are always some who refuse 'charity' as you put it, and I can see why from complete strangers as it might oblige you to talk to them. And they might be a bit wierd (you can never tell). Having said that they might turn out to be a friend ingame, so it's worth considering it carefully. People handing out ISK to rookies aren't always doing it randomly - you might have been chatting in a channel they were in and done/said something they think earned a reward. If you feel violated, harassed, tormented, just a bit emo - please send a letter to the CSM of the people, our beloved Ripard Teg. He will avenge you in his chariot-blog which is immune to the rules we are on the Eve-O websites, via clever utilisation of the rhetorical technique known as 'the harangue'. Demi-god. Angel. Superhero. Callsign #TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Nikolai Lachance
Happy Wheels Logistics
80
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Posted - 2014.04.29 05:45:00 -
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When I first started playing in 2003, not long after I was new, some guy gave me a little over 5 million ISK because he was quitting the game. I thought I was rich at the time. |
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Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
210
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Posted - 2014.04.29 05:56:00 -
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The very first time I played someone gave me a hundred million and some ships and I very quickly got bored. So I recommend not accepting any financial help (or selling Plex). IMO the game is more enjoyable if you earn stuff yourself. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5342
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Posted - 2014.04.29 06:10:00 -
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Most of the help I got from other players came in the form of information and "hard lessons" (ex. "get in a battleship and I will show you why 'bigger is not better'").
Outside of this, I got a few freebies here and there... once because someone took pity on the loss of a favorite ship of mine (<3 my first Myrmidon) and the rest coming down to, "he's a load of cheapo frigates, now go scout for us and let us know when you have sunk your teeth into something!"
I guess my only advice for newbies is that it is okay to accept free stuff. Just be a bit leery when there are "strings" attached and make a judgement call. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Lumukanda Theleraese
Fourth Dimension Enterprises
24
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Posted - 2014.04.29 06:11:00 -
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I started by signing up to a random buddy invite and he helped out by sending some isk (not that I knew what to spend it on), but more importantly helped out with questions I had and no doubt saved me from making some silly decisions with the isk and generally. First corp I was in were a bunch of good people to with answering many questions I had.
Have contracted over some ships and skill books to some new players at times if I have seen them in chat asking about things or what may of happened, helped with the odd mission and sometimes just sent a mail with some links to some info. Kind of figure it doesn't hurt to help out at times if they appear genuine enough. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2295
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Posted - 2014.04.29 06:17:00 -
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Many offers of isk and ships which I declined.
Many offers of advice which I gladly accepted. This is not a signature. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21399
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Posted - 2014.04.29 06:20:00 -
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Not much, no, unless you count written stuff like wikis. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3722
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Posted - 2014.04.29 06:22:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:In the four months that I've played this game, I've rejected all charity. I don't accept any donation unless I feel I've done something to earn it. I also only work with friends if I feel they're getting something out of it too. I've acted this way, in part, because I don't think that most EVE players get hand-outs, so I feel I shouldn't either.
...But, on a second thought, I could be totally wrong.
Did you get financial help when you first started EVE? If so, was it in the form of ISK? Ships? What?
Is it normal?
I didnt, but I do to everyone I think deserves it (though advice is more valuable than isk to a noob)
However, I canot fathom anyone not taking somethign for free in EvE if it is offered
New Eden fosters a prison mentality, and a key lesson in prison is if someone offers you a thing for free, you take it. And you take more than one if you can.
If anything, in EvE, you should take things even if not offered if they are there for the taking.
Do you loot wrecks you havent killed? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
1904
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Posted - 2014.04.29 06:36:00 -
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I once got 50 million isk from a very helpful person whose attention I caught with a forums post, I guess. Aside from that no financial aid, except what my alliance provides in free skillbooks to newbies, which is great, too :)
Non-financial: Got tips for various things from several people I've randomly met (mostly on the forums). My corp and alliance mates also are awesome with "teaching by doing", basically dragging me bloody newbie around to more or less every single thing the alliance does (when I am online) and being patient enough that I can keep up and learn.
Edit: I think accepting help if someone offers it is completely alright. The person helping out most likely doesn't consider what they gave to you any great loss. You, in turn, could be kind to some newbie yourself, once you find yourself in the position of the more experienced and "rich" person. As such, the "chain of kindness" remains unbroken ;D |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3132
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Posted - 2014.04.29 06:42:00 -
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I got help learning to rush into a BS and run level 4s after a month. Oh god. |
Marsha Mallow
405
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Posted - 2014.04.29 06:56:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:However, I cannot fathom anyone not taking something for free in EvE if it is offered Female players sometimes have issues with this. Eve was my first MMO so I started oblivious, but early on a corpie did a lengthy and enlightening rant in comms about girl gamers expecting free stuff and getting it. In all fairness he'd just come out of a WoW guild with a female guild leader who was banging half the guild behind her husbands back and causing all sorts of drama. He didn't seem to see it, but the flipside for the player is the risk of harassment from nutjobs if you do accept stuff.
Anyone who has ever had a drink bought for them in a bar by a random stranger will know there is often an expectation to then stand there feigning interest in their feeble chat up line before escaping. Which is why some just decline all offers to save hassle. Same thing with that scenario; some people would never turn down a free drink and can't get their heads around it v0v. If you feel violated, harassed, tormented, just a bit emo - please send a letter to the CSM of the people, our beloved Ripard Teg. He will avenge you in his chariot-blog which is immune to the rules we are on the Eve-O websites, via clever utilisation of the rhetorical technique known as 'the harangue'. Demi-god. Angel. Superhero. Callsign #TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1460
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Posted - 2014.04.29 06:59:00 -
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When i started back in the end of 2009 it was pretty standard to give new players like 5 million ISK to start. I used to do the same for like a year The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3722
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Posted - 2014.04.29 06:59:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:However, I cannot fathom anyone not taking something for free in EvE if it is offered Female players sometimes have issues with this. Eve was my first MMO so I started oblivious, but early on a corpie did a lengthy and enlightening rant in comms about girl gamers expecting free stuff and getting it. In all fairness he'd just come out of a WoW guild with a female guild leader who was banging half the guild behind her husbands back and causing all sorts of drama. He didn't seem to see it, but the flipside for the player is the risk of harassment from nutjobs if you do accept stuff. Anyone who has ever had a drink bought for them in a bar by a random stranger will know there is often an expectation to then stand there feigning interest in their feeble chat up line before escaping. Which is why some just decline all offers to save hassle. Same thing with that scenario; some people would never turn down a free drink and can't get their heads around it v0v.
I guess I have been fortunate to be in Guilds and Corps where sexist nonsense such as a rant like that is not tolerated and is a permaban offense.
Ive never found a roofie in a Rifter though lol *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Purity by Fire
Chaos From Order Manifest Destiny.
44
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Posted - 2014.04.29 07:20:00 -
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In the past ive helped corp members purchase ships.
I gave a guy 500 mill cos he was in corp and running out of isk to pvp.
In total over the years ive donated to corp, paid half help fees for carriers. Purchased barges and given presents of 200 mill ships to corp members and friends.
I dont do it on a whim though and it makes me feel good helping others in EvE get to there goals and keep players in game.
DAAYMM CCP gimmie a pr job ffs |
Amaron Ghant
Tritanium Space Whales Sanctuary Pact
5
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Posted - 2014.04.29 09:13:00 -
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when I started, I even got hand-outs from pirates.
True they then turned round later and blew me out of the ship(s) they'd paid for, but fun was had by all.... mostly them but I did get some tips out of it.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1033
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Posted - 2014.04.29 09:55:00 -
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We had a vet from 06 join our corp shortly after we started, who after about a month went on a break (hasn't logged on in nearly a year) however before he buggered off into the IRL he spent ages teaching us how to fit ships,critiquing our fits and telling us how to train for them properly. absolutely invaluable service and id strongly recommend others do the same. (now with my luck hell log on tomorrow now that we actually have stuff and gut the corp)
We have a kind of beta vet as well who brought loads of stuff with him that we more or less had to take to be of any use to him. iv had absolutely no financial aid though and i don't think any of my corpmates have either.
now that said iv earned a bit through the odd well timed clever remark and/or showing the right attitude when i was a newb and ill readily fork out for others that do the same.
Edit:i still think of myself as a newb, i meant brand newb Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á The Best Quote EVER Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Cpt Swagg
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2014.04.29 10:07:00 -
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I made over 3 billion isks in my first 10 days of eve.
3 of them while on trial, then plexed account.
Yes someone helped me, by letting me salvage all his level 4 missions non stop for days. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1033
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Posted - 2014.04.29 10:12:00 -
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Cpt Swagg wrote:I made over 3 billion isks in my first 10 days of eve.
3 of them while on trial, then plexed account.
Yes someone helped me, by letting me salvage all his level 4 missions non stop for days. http://gph.is/1e0T1tY Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á The Best Quote EVER Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2297
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Posted - 2014.04.29 10:58:00 -
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Cpt Swagg wrote:I made over 3 billion isks in my first 10 days of eve.
3 of them while on trial, then plexed account.
Yes someone helped me, by letting me salvage all his level 4 missions non stop for days.
Presumably the person doing the level 4 missions did so in a Velator armed with mining lasers just to stop you being greedy and earning 10 billion in your first 10 days.
Oh, and put in a change of name request to CCP, from Cpt Swagg to Prt Bragg.
They are decent folk and will probably do it for you free of charge. This is not a signature. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
908
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Posted - 2014.04.29 11:00:00 -
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Didn't want it. Didn't need it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4492860 Killmails for Wrecks!! Ganker tears, best tears! And how do I put text as links into signatures?? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1394
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Posted - 2014.04.29 11:05:00 -
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I received 2 million following my first pvp loss.
My reaction was, this community is so friendly and helpful.
I still think that now too. . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1212
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Posted - 2014.04.29 11:33:00 -
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I was in eve uni and they had programs for ships and skillbooks. Now I donate occsaionally to Euni when I remember to do so.
Advice, wikis, blogs all count as well (eg, Eve Altruist) |
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