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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
381
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Posted - 2014.05.13 07:54:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. As mentioned in this dev blog, we are shifting the release of the industry changes back to the Crius release on July 22nd in order to ensure that we have time to incorporate all of your feedback and have extended testing on SISI. Since this change is so closely tied with the industry updates, we are also going to hold off on it for the time being. We will not change the isotope consumption in Kronos, and we will continue to discuss and evaluate our plan with the next potential release window being Crius on July 22nd.
Given the massive feedback against this idea, I would suggest postponing the idea completely until the fall. Give the markets time to settle down from all the industry changes. I mean the fact that you are opening POSes up in 0.8-1.0 as well as without standings will already dramatically affect the isotope market. It may in fact be the increase in usage you were looking for. If you try to release this at the same time as industry changes I can only suspect it to be detrimental to everyone and the game as a whole. |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
405
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Posted - 2014.05.13 07:57:00 -
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Moterships and titan should burn more fuel than Carrier or dread.
Summer 2014 - Carrier Split
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Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
780
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Posted - 2014.05.13 08:26:00 -
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Octoven wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. As mentioned in this dev blog, we are shifting the release of the industry changes back to the Crius release on July 22nd in order to ensure that we have time to incorporate all of your feedback and have extended testing on SISI. Since this change is so closely tied with the industry updates, we are also going to hold off on it for the time being. We will not change the isotope consumption in Kronos, and we will continue to discuss and evaluate our plan with the next potential release window being Crius on July 22nd. Given the massive feedback against this idea, I would suggest postponing the idea completely until the fall. Give the markets time to settle down from all the industry changes. I mean the fact that you are opening POSes up in 0.8-1.0 as well as without standings will already dramatically affect the isotope market. It may in fact be the increase in usage you were looking for. If you try to release this at the same time as industry changes I can only suspect it to be detrimental to everyone and the game as a whole.
Or... We could just embrace the changes, meeting the challenges head on. Leave the comfort of familiarity for the thrill of discovery...
Or are we all wearing slippers in our spaceships now? Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
70
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Posted - 2014.05.13 11:07:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Shivanthar wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote::Edit: ... We will not change the isotope consumption in Kronos, and we will continue to discuss ... :Edit:
Yay! Marauders that can jump finally! There is the ship, there is the cargo space more than enough. You guys really giving more and more tools for Marauders and encouraging them to go low-null every other thay Btw, why only Kronos? ( ) /doublefacepalm
LMAO |
Luxotor
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity
53
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Posted - 2014.05.13 14:51:00 -
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Elequent-Lady Dolorous wrote:Can we have fuel conservation rigs please?
I'd rather have a slot 9 navigation implant that reduces jump fuel consumption by 1/3/5/8%. THE NIGHT IS DARK AND FULL OF TERRORS! |
Ama Zing
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
19
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Posted - 2014.05.13 16:57:00 -
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Hey Guys,
I am still missing the point, why CCP interacts with the market - CCP should be neutral, as far as it can be.
There is no need to nerf jump drives .....
There is no need to push the industrialst into ice mining ....
and the worst thing is that example you gave us, with a jump freighter, paying +25 mio for that route ....
Do you think, JF pilots earn to much cash with their services?
I really don't get it. |
Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
30
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:02:00 -
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Ama Zing wrote:Hey Guys,
I am still missing the point, why CCP interacts with the market - CCP should be neutral, as far as it can be.
There is no need to nerf jump drives .....
There is no need to push the industrialst into ice mining ....
and the worst thing is that example you gave us, with a jump freighter, paying +25 mio for that route ....
Do you think, JF pilots earn to much cash with their services?
I really don't get it.
Charge more. People who need your JF service will still need it.
CCP is forced to interact with the market (sometimes) because they make changes elsewhere that affect the market. Thus they are not neutral unless they stop making changes altogether. In this case though, they are jumping the gun a little. At least based on their given reason behind the change. I suppose they could have just said: we are increasing the consumption by 50% because we want to. End of story. It's their game they can make changes. But since they gave a reason, many of the counters have been based on that reason. |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
405
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Posted - 2014.05.13 18:37:00 -
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What we need are supercapital ships burning 3-4 times more than a carrier. Summer 2014 - Carrier Split
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Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians Spaceship Samurai
345
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Posted - 2014.05.13 22:46:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. As mentioned in this dev blog, we are shifting the release of the industry changes back to the Crius release on July 22nd in order to ensure that we have time to incorporate all of your feedback and have extended testing on SISI. Since this change is so closely tied with the industry updates, we are also going to hold off on it for the time being. We will not change the isotope consumption in Kronos, and we will continue to discuss and evaluate our plan with the next potential release window being Crius on July 22nd. Push this change back to the release after Crius. Whats the point in moving to a six week rolling set of releases if you are still going to try and cram too much crap into one release? Wait and see what affect the industry changes actually have on the market. Most of the industry guys I've spoken to will be increasing their fuel consumption as a result of the changes, not decreasing it. If the prices start to rise significantly, then follow through with this change. If they don't (and I doubt they will), then chalk this one up to a bad decision that you nearly inflicted on the playerbase. Warping to zero |
Rann Skir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.05.13 23:05:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Querns wrote:I just thought of another side effect of changing isotope volumes -- Titans currently use their racial isotopes as fuel for their Doomsday weapons. Will doomsday weapon fuel consumption also see an increase in their tope usage commensurate with the volume reduction being planned?
During the battle of B-R, tope consumption due to doomsdays became a significant factor after several hours, and many titans had to jump out to refuel. Not increasing the usage will allow them to have a longer operational period, should such a slugfest ever occur again. We will be giving doomsday isotope consumption some thought and bringing it up with the CSM, thanks.
I think it's a decent balancing factor that they can't just endlessly spam doomsdays over the span of a large fights. Supers have 'ammo' too in the form of destructible fighters/fighter bombers, and subcaps consume ammo and drones in large quantities as well. |
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Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
32
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Posted - 2014.05.13 23:25:00 -
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Rann Skir wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Querns wrote:I just thought of another side effect of changing isotope volumes -- Titans currently use their racial isotopes as fuel for their Doomsday weapons. Will doomsday weapon fuel consumption also see an increase in their tope usage commensurate with the volume reduction being planned?
During the battle of B-R, tope consumption due to doomsdays became a significant factor after several hours, and many titans had to jump out to refuel. Not increasing the usage will allow them to have a longer operational period, should such a slugfest ever occur again. We will be giving doomsday isotope consumption some thought and bringing it up with the CSM, thanks. I think it's a decent balancing factor that they can't just endlessly spam doomsdays over the span of a large fights. Supers have 'ammo' too in the form of destructible fighters/fighter bombers, and subcaps consume ammo and drones in large quantities as well.
Wait - are people crying that more supers would have gotten the big blast? I thought you peeps cheer everytime a titan dies. More fuel = more dead supers. If anything, reduce their consumption |
HuGo87
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
6
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Posted - 2014.05.14 05:49:00 -
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Dirk MacGirk wrote:[quote=Ama Zing]Hey Guys,
Charge more. People who need your JF service will still need it.
I freight for myself. I don't want to waste MORE ISK just moving ships. I spend ISK on ships to PvP, not to haul them. |
Mouchette
Chevaliers de la Croix Du Sud
4
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Posted - 2014.05.16 16:43:00 -
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50% increase in the fuel cost of all jump drives and jump portals = more expense for players = more money for ... Find the error ? |
Sgt Ocker
Last Bastion of Freedom
218
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Posted - 2014.05.16 22:16:00 -
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Luxotor wrote:Elequent-Lady Dolorous wrote:Can we have fuel conservation rigs please? I'd rather have a slot 9 navigation implant that reduces jump fuel consumption by 1/3/5/8%. Why?
Having to spend even more isk to use some of the most expensive ships in game - For what to get back 8% of a 50% increase? I've already trained Jump Fuel Conservation 5. Why should I pay more because Devs cut ice miners income (maybe).
Conversation between, drunk or just bored Devs after a staff party - Dev 1 says; I have an idea that will keep management thinking we are improving the game;
We'll completely change the way industry gets carried out - and charge Capital ship pilots for it.
Dev 2 says; I have a plan for advertising;
Next run of ads for Eve - Latest innovations for our popular sandbox game. Our Devs will actively seek out and find any mechanic in game that is not broken, tamper with it and add what they "think" players will see as better functionality. Then so no-one is left out of Devs unnecessary over complication and increased cost of things. We will add additional costs to a totally unrelated section of players (capital pilots), to subsidize a group of players (ice miners) who had their income cut by Devs "balancing" of a mechanic (industry).
We pride ourselves on over complicated menus, role and title management interfaces, straight out of your worst nightmare.
A 3rd Dev joins them; How about we introduce ToolTips that take away the previous functionality of tooltips and make them, well , basically horrible and useless. My opinions are mine. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK. Just don't bother Hating - I don't care.. |
Nys Cron
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
20
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:26:00 -
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As someone who doesn't have all their fuel paid for by Corp/Alliance I will be even more hesitant to jump capitals around and thus provide less opportunity for interesting content. Is this the intention behind the change? |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1815
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Posted - 2014.05.17 22:55:00 -
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Why does it cost as much to jump a Thanatos, Nyx, and Erebus the same distance? That's where you should look into increasing "demand" for topes. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2670
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Posted - 2014.05.19 13:11:00 -
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BadAssMcKill wrote:Jesus no
Stop it
This. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Gaijin Lanis
Astral Silence Surely You're Joking
16
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Posted - 2014.05.19 20:42:00 -
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Just hopping in to let everyone at CCP know the change worked! Isk/hr of ice mining has been increasing steadily since this change was applied! As, per fozzie's predictions, the increased usage has increased demand of the various isotopes and maintained the viability of ice mining!
Wait, hold on, the change hasn't been applied yet.
Meaning just talking about doing this has already caused isotope prices to skyrocket. Meaning once the change actually hits, prices will simply balloon further. Like others have mentioned in this thread, the supply of ice is essentially fixed. So steadily increasing demand of a commodity with a fixed supply means it will quickly price itself out of the range of everyone other than the power blocs. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2671
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Posted - 2014.05.20 06:38:00 -
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Gaijin Lanis wrote:Just hopping in to let everyone at CCP know the change worked! Isk/hr of ice mining has been increasing steadily since this change was applied! As, per fozzie's predictions, the increased usage has increased demand of the various isotopes and maintained the viability of ice mining!
Wait, hold on, the change hasn't been applied yet.
Meaning just talking about doing this has already caused isotope prices to skyrocket. Meaning once the change actually hits, prices will simply balloon further. Like others have mentioned in this thread, the supply of ice is essentially fixed. So steadily increasing demand of a commodity with a fixed supply means it will quickly price itself out of the range of everyone other than the power blocs.
The power blocs, of course, will be unaffected because they have no choice but to maintain their levels of projection or lose their assets.
Given the change has not yet been applied, what your seeing now is market speculation leading up to it. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Anthar Thebess
423
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Posted - 2014.05.20 07:33:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Why does it cost as much to jump a Thanatos, Nyx, and Erebus the same distance? That's where you should look into increasing "demand" for topes.
I posted the same. There is no difference on the ship size so jumping titan , mothership or a carrier cost the same amount fuel. EVE SHIP SIZE
When you compare the size of those ships and use carrier fuel usage as a base then: - mothership (based on the model size ) should burn at least 4 times more fuel. - Titan (again ) should burn at least 10 or more times more than a motherships.
You think that those numbers are insane. Well , yes , but take into consideration strategic application of those ships. Currently the same cost in fuel is to drop carrier, mothership or titan. Compare EHP.....
If those scaling could be applied then blobs will think where to place their ships to make the best use of them.
Next B-R will also be more likely to happen.
Currently , few times a week people save their super capitals, because quickly enough allied supercapital force arrives. After this change those ships will be more spread out. So this will mean more time needed for other people to come, especially tat reinforcements will be arriving all the time for both sides. Summer: Moon Mining Changes |
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Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
261
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Posted - 2014.05.20 12:34:00 -
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Question - since you have switched to these short development cycles why are you implementing this change now to fix a problem that doesn't exist yet? Wouldn't the logical thing to do be to see if the changes create an issue in the isotope market and if changes are needed implement them 1 month later in the next patch? |
Dave Stark
5940
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Posted - 2014.05.20 19:55:00 -
[682] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4619107#post4619107 |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10009
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Posted - 2014.05.21 04:54:00 -
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Gaijin Lanis wrote:Just hopping in to let everyone at CCP know the change worked! Isk/hr of ice mining has been increasing steadily since this change was applied! As, per fozzie's predictions, the increased usage has increased demand of the various isotopes and maintained the viability of ice mining!
Wait, hold on, the change hasn't been applied yet.
Meaning just talking about doing this has already caused isotope prices to skyrocket. Meaning once the change actually hits, prices will simply balloon further. Like others have mentioned in this thread, the supply of ice is essentially fixed. So steadily increasing demand of a commodity with a fixed supply means it will quickly price itself out of the range of everyone other than the power blocs.
The power blocs, of course, will be unaffected because they have no choice but to maintain their levels of projection or lose their assets. This change does not exist in a vacuum. You cannot assume that isotope and ice prices are going to go up just because jump drive isotope consumption will. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Gaijin Lanis
Astral Silence Surely You're Joking
16
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Posted - 2014.05.21 23:31:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Gaijin Lanis wrote:Just hopping in to let everyone at CCP know the change worked! Isk/hr of ice mining has been increasing steadily since this change was applied! As, per fozzie's predictions, the increased usage has increased demand of the various isotopes and maintained the viability of ice mining!
Wait, hold on, the change hasn't been applied yet.
Meaning just talking about doing this has already caused isotope prices to skyrocket. Meaning once the change actually hits, prices will simply balloon further. Like others have mentioned in this thread, the supply of ice is essentially fixed. So steadily increasing demand of a commodity with a fixed supply means it will quickly price itself out of the range of everyone other than the power blocs.
The power blocs, of course, will be unaffected because they have no choice but to maintain their levels of projection or lose their assets. This change does not exist in a vacuum. You cannot assume that isotope and ice prices are going to go up just because jump drive isotope consumption will.
The prices have already increased. As the potential for more expensive isotopes due to the limited nature of isotope supply created instant demand for isotopes of non-insane prices. The assumption there will be potentially lower number of smaller controls towers (due to most control towers being basically useless after the sloticide) is speculative at best, but closer to completely faulty. As others have mentioned in all the threads surrounding this issue, hisec will still be the best place to manufacture, as nullsec will be even worse than it is now (due to the removal of mineral compression and the increase in jump fuel costs) and nothing beats having your towers protected by concord and 24 hours warning on it lifting.
To say, import/export is the lifeblood of a functional economy, and Crius looks to be centered around shooting import/export in the face.
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Jason Pareka
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.05.22 16:57:00 -
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So BLOP fleets now become cost ineffective as well as largely impractical? any thought on at least not increasing the cost per m3 for the covert jump portal? |
Allison A'vani
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
131
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Posted - 2014.05.22 17:24:00 -
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Gaijin Lanis wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Gaijin Lanis wrote:Just hopping in to let everyone at CCP know the change worked! Isk/hr of ice mining has been increasing steadily since this change was applied! As, per fozzie's predictions, the increased usage has increased demand of the various isotopes and maintained the viability of ice mining!
Wait, hold on, the change hasn't been applied yet.
Meaning just talking about doing this has already caused isotope prices to skyrocket. Meaning once the change actually hits, prices will simply balloon further. Like others have mentioned in this thread, the supply of ice is essentially fixed. So steadily increasing demand of a commodity with a fixed supply means it will quickly price itself out of the range of everyone other than the power blocs.
The power blocs, of course, will be unaffected because they have no choice but to maintain their levels of projection or lose their assets. This change does not exist in a vacuum. You cannot assume that isotope and ice prices are going to go up just because jump drive isotope consumption will. The prices have already increased. As the potential for more expensive isotopes due to the limited nature of isotope supply created instant demand for isotopes of non-insane prices. The assumption there will be potentially lower number of smaller controls towers (due to most control towers being basically useless after the sloticide) is speculative at best, but closer to completely faulty. As others have mentioned in all the threads surrounding this issue, hisec will still be the best place to manufacture, as nullsec will be even worse than it is now (due to the removal of mineral compression and the increase in jump fuel costs) and nothing beats having your towers protected by concord and 24 hours warning on it lifting. To say, import/export is the lifeblood of a functional economy, and Crius looks to be centered around shooting import/export in the face.
Pretty much this. I have no idea how anyone at CCP thinks that these changes at all benefit Null sec production. Every one of the proposed changes (except the outpost buff) is a nurf to null sec production. No one is going to risk having their BPOs in a POS in Low Sec or 0.0. The risk is just far too high (you don't keep gold bricks on your porch and just put a fence around it, that is extremely dumb). Coupled with the proposed fuel consumption increases PLUS the nurf to compression. There is zero reason to even bother producing anything (other than capitals) in Low/Null. No one takes mining in Null seriously at all either. If your system has any industry upgrades at all then you are instantly the target of every fleet for 3 regions in every direction. |
Allison A'vani
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
131
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Posted - 2014.05.22 17:32:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Why does it cost as much to jump a Thanatos, Nyx, and Erebus the same distance? That's where you should look into increasing "demand" for topes. I posted the same. There is no difference on the ship size so jumping titan , mothership or a carrier cost the same amount fuel. EVE SHIP SIZEWhen you compare the size of those ships and use carrier fuel usage as a base then: - mothership (based on the model size ) should burn at least 4 times more fuel. - Titan (again ) should burn at least 10 or more times more than a motherships. You think that those numbers are insane. Well , yes , but take into consideration strategic application of those ships. Currently the same cost in fuel is to drop carrier, mothership or titan. Compare EHP..... If those scaling could be applied then blobs will think where to place their ships to make the best use of them. Next B-R will also be more likely to happen. Currently , few times a week people save their super capitals, because quickly enough allied supercapital force arrives. After this change those ships will be more spread out. So this will mean more time needed for other people to come, especially tat reinforcements will be arriving all the time for both sides.
Except for the fact that it would have zero impact at all. All the large null blocks can just shrug off that charge. Isotopes are a very minor cost compared to other expenses such as: POS Fuel Blocks, Solv Bills, Super Cap subsidies and Ship Reimbursement. Let us not forget what is historically one of the biggest expenses for Alliances every year, the Alliance Tournament.
There will be no change in usages of capitals nor supers nor JF. The only limiting time factor, as always, has and will be jump range and moving cynos. |
Anthar Thebess
469
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Posted - 2014.05.26 13:07:00 -
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Allison A'vani wrote: Except for the fact that it would have zero impact at all. All the large null blocks can just shrug off that charge. Isotopes are a very minor cost compared to other expenses such as: POS Fuel Blocks, Solv Bills, Super Cap subsidies and Ship Reimbursement. Let us not forget what is historically one of the biggest expenses for Alliances every year, the Alliance Tournament.
There will be no change in usages of capitals nor supers nor JF. The only limiting time factor, as always, has and will be jump range and moving cynos.
So we can , apply this change? If you say that this will not change any thing - then lets make EVE more REAL!.
I didn't expect that someone from PL will support my idea. Jump Fuel Usage Based on Ship Size Interdiction Siphon Unit |
Lahingingel
KolliURG
0
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Posted - 2014.05.29 10:59:00 -
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Gaijin Lanis wrote:
The prices have already increased. As the potential for more expensive isotopes due to the limited nature of isotope supply created instant demand for isotopes of non-insane prices. The assumption there will be potentially lower number of smaller controls towers (due to most control towers being basically useless after the sloticide) is speculative at best, but closer to completely faulty. As others have mentioned in all the threads surrounding this issue, hisec will still be the best place to manufacture, as nullsec will be even worse than it is now (due to the removal of mineral compression and the increase in jump fuel costs) and nothing beats having your towers protected by concord and 24 hours warning on it lifting.
To say, import/export is the lifeblood of a functional economy, and Crius looks to be centered around shooting import/export in the face.
I, for one, expect to see significant drop in empire POS tower numbers. Ofc this will affect most caldari (as armor cap fleets are still the main thing and caldari towers were mostly used in hi sec R&D).
The reason why I believe so is (1) added hassle of juggling with materials for any semi-serious manufacturing op. (2) the new POS labs are just screaming "BPO in here" so I do not expect anyone to put anything other than some ammo and rig prints in there and frankly, POS is not quite worth it running for just the ammo and rig print research. (3) the lack of slots was limiting factor so far, with the slot limits gone and PLEX prices as they are you can almost compensate for the POS effectivity difference by having an extra account of R&D alts (for approx the same price as fuel for large tower) (33 extra jobs) - AND you can lock down your BPO's in corp hangar (with the way POS roles work good luck maintaining any kind of security). (4) Large tower is not any more secure than a small tower - all it takes is just a little more time and if properly gunned then couple more logi. It is trivial to wardec with 1 man corp and then corp-hop for the kill so even with large tower you will need to evacuate prints for every random wardec you get or you will lose your library rather sooner than later.
So in a nutshell I do not expect to see hi sec POS'es used for industry related tasks other than some casual people and select few being in a single corp with all their alts assuming that they can pull the crap out before wardec goes active. |
Gaijin Lanis
Surely You're Joking
28
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Posted - 2014.05.29 14:54:00 -
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Lahingingel wrote:I, for one, expect to see significant drop in empire POS tower numbers. Ofc this will affect most caldari (as armor cap fleets are still the main thing and caldari towers were mostly used in hi sec R&D).
The reason why I believe so is (1) added hassle of juggling with materials for any semi-serious manufacturing op. (2) the new POS labs are just screaming "BPO in here" so I do not expect anyone to put anything other than some ammo and rig prints in there and frankly, POS is not quite worth it running for just the ammo and rig print research. (3) the lack of slots was limiting factor so far, with the slot limits gone and PLEX prices as they are you can almost compensate for the POS effectivity difference by having an extra account of R&D alts (for approx the same price as fuel for large tower) (33 extra jobs) - AND you can lock down your BPO's in corp hangar (with the way POS roles work good luck maintaining any kind of security). (4) Large tower is not any more secure than a small tower - all it takes is just a little more time and if properly gunned then couple more logi. It is trivial to wardec with 1 man corp and then corp-hop for the kill so even with large tower you will need to evacuate prints for every random wardec you get or you will lose your library rather sooner than later.
So in a nutshell I do not expect to see hi sec POS'es used for industry related tasks other than some casual people and select few being in a single corp with all their alts assuming that they can pull the crap out before wardec goes active. You are correct. The number of towers used exclusively for research is going to drop significantly.
The problem is the manufacturing and reprocessing changes. CCP is going to make it so reprocessing arrays have the highest reprocessing yield short of a fully skilled character at a fully upgraded minmatar outpost while simultaneously cutting all other reprocessing yields in NPC stations so all of hisec will have worse yeilds than low, low worse yields than null, etc. Then they're adding a 2% material reduction to manufacturing arrays. Then, on top of everything, they're bumping import/export costs, removing mineral compression, and much more! Did I mention the reprocessing arrays also don't require any skills beyond anchoring?
So, basically, hisec POSs are going to become the primary means of production. As concord protection and 24 hour warning on it lifting, on top of all the other fun quirks of Crius, kinda trumps all other concerns.
But this is all somewhat moot. They're adding fuel conservation modules (not rigs) on top of nerfing import/export into the ground. So, if anything, ice is going to crash hard no matter what. But Crius looks like its going to crash the entire market as well. So fun times. The above was written and posted with nothing but love in my heart for all. |
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