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Carnia Astrael
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:39:00 -
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I am not sure of the rules in EVE on chat ..and decency. I am used to traditional rules of decent quality chat but wanted to ask here.
today i had the unfortunate experience of rudeness bordering on harrassment and insult in the local chat, from a relatively new player. They were using rather foul language and discussing what would be considered obscene topics in the open local chat and when I requested that we keep the chat polite they decided to up the impact and started targeting me for lewd and rude questions and comments.
I blocked them in the game which i see is our only option..and thought to ask here what the rules are on such things. If there are NO standards of such ..i may not choose to stay in EVE long, i have no time or patience for such rude behaviour esp when there may be minors around. If we do not set standards there will be none.
thanks and have a nicer day. i hope to. Going to stay out of EVE for a bit . dont want to be a target for a troll. they tend to get bored if their target does not play back. Director 3D World and Game Developers "We Build Worlds" |
tiewan
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:49:00 -
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Honestly it is rare that I encounter people like that.
But the moment someone says something I find unacceptable.. I just block them. Its fast and easy. |
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
181
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Posted - 2014.04.29 20:00:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:I am not sure of the rules in EVE on chat ..and decency. I am used to traditional rules of decent quality chat but wanted to ask here.
today i had the unfortunate experience of rudeness bordering on harrassment and insult in the local chat, from a relatively new player. They were using rather foul language and discussing what would be considered obscene topics in the open local chat and when I requested that we keep the chat polite they decided to up the impact and started targeting me for lewd and rude questions and comments.
I blocked them in the game which i see is our only option..and thought to ask here what the rules are on such things. If there are NO standards of such ..i may not choose to stay in EVE long, i have no time or patience for such rude behaviour esp when there may be minors around. If we do not set standards there will be none.
thanks and have a nicer day. i hope to. Going to stay out of EVE for a bit . dont want to be a target for a troll. they tend to get bored if their target does not play back.
You have obviously not been on comms yet have you? Seriously if you are such thin skinned that adult chat bothers you I would not recommend EVE for you as it contains +18yr old chat and comms. I heard Goons comms can get downright scary sometimes damn I wish I could eavesdrop on their comms sometimes.
OH Welcome to EVE HTFU.
Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
618
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Posted - 2014.04.29 20:02:00 -
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I am not sure how to reply to this without being an asshat, but here goes:
This game is not for children. At its core, its a nasty game, about stealing, cheating, telling lies, and using every method available to put yourself ahead of the rest.
With that being said, you have a few choices here.
1) Ignore the offensive player. Seriously, who cares if they want to rant and rave in local. Some corps even wardec mouthy local talkers.
2) *my personal recommendation* Man up and dont let "Bad words" cause you to stop having a good time. Your values are not going to be shared by everyone. I am a fan of free speech, and if i wanna say ****** up stuff, Its my right to do so. Fortunately for you and those that share the absolute fear of dirty language, this brings me to point 3..
3) EvE players are generally an intelligent bunch. This game takes a while to learn, and this tends to dissuade the average kiddie-mmo type crowd from sticking around long. The guy who you saw in local was most likely a trial account, and thought it would be lolzsaucewtfbbq to cuss people out in local. He wont be staying, so dont worry.
4) You can contact space lawyer, Ripard Teg, and have him blog about your event, and obtain a ban for the player that hurt your feelings. Because thats what we do now.
Honestly, if you are easily offended by things that shouldnt offend you... this may not be your game. However, if you can look past the fact that your values are YOUR VALUES and not ours, you could have a great time with a great game. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Carnia Astrael
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.04.29 20:31:00 -
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I appreciate the kind responses, as for the one that is less than that, yes they ARE my values and they ARE the values of society thank goodness. It is true that in the modern world of today such values of decency and respect are eroding in some areas, but I will Never surrender the field to the "let them do what they want" cop out. I have worked to maintain respect and decency in many on line games for i work in the field of game development at the highest level and i will continue to support such standards. I have not previously had a chance to study and research EVE and I will keep an open mind and heart but I will NOT surrender on the issue of decency in shared recreation and communication. In private chat that is just fine, and com's the same. But in a public chat window there should be standards and levels of respect, and to be a personal target of attacks from creeps is not something to be hoped for.
Thanks for the thoughts shared, I am not surprised to hear tolerance suggested, but I will NOT tolerate such behaviour if there is any way that speaking up can get it curbed.
Such a player should be reprimanded by a GM immediatly and banned if it repeats. If we do not support standards there will be none and chaos leads to entropy NOT freedom.
Director 3D World and Game Developers "We Build Worlds" |
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
1298
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Posted - 2014.04.29 20:36:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:4) You can contact space lawyer, Ripard Teg, and have him blog about your event, and obtain a ban for the player that hurt your feelings. Because thats what we do now.
Not empty quoting. I'm Denzel Washington, and I play chess. |
Carnia Astrael
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.04.29 20:38:00 -
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I don't plan to complain to any unofficial source, that would be harrassment by ME. I expect the GM to either take care of it or not. It is their game and I have asked the question here for a community response but will not act back to the offenders in the same way they acted to me, I will preserve their privacy and their right to do what they want if that is allowed. If it is, I may choose to leave EVE but for now I will just continue to study and enjoy what I can. thanks.
And I will avoid the local chat. :) ------------------------------------------ |
Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
923
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:37:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote: As for the use of HOTFU in a chat with me I do not appreciate such rude slang attacks, and I request that you never address me in a thread again or i will report you for Abuse. I will not tolerate such rude behaviour in print or in life thank you very much. I have no intention of Hurrying Up to Accepting rude and unkind comments in any form or format. thank you.
CCP (devs) would very much like to have a word with you, good sir/madam.
This bait thread is very nice, I think I'll see what happens.
D.
Psychotic Monk: I see nothing in a bonus room that hasn't been an accepted and celebrated part of eve online basically forever and I see no reason that we should fundamentally harm the uniqueness of this game for some people who seem to have forgotten that. |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
856
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:47:00 -
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As above, even the devs tell players to HTFU. I think you need to revise whether this game is for you or not. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18148
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:47:00 -
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HTFU is Eves theme song, I suggest the OP takes it to heart.
Eve is very much a social experiment that deals with the darker side of human nature, while I don't condone the use of explicit language in local, it happens, deal with it like an adult, not a child. It's certainly not the worst thing that will happen while playing Eve, can't wait to see the OPs tears the first time somebody unconsensually violences their space canoe.
Never go full Ripard |
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Dalto Bane
Black Swarm Locust
94
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Posted - 2014.04.29 22:25:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:I am not sure of the rules in EVE on chat ..and decency. I am used to traditional rules of decent quality chat but wanted to ask here.
today i had the unfortunate experience of rudeness bordering on harrassment and insult in the local chat, from a relatively new player. They were using rather foul language and discussing what would be considered obscene topics in the open local chat and when I requested that we keep the chat polite they decided to up the impact and started targeting me for lewd and rude questions and comments.
I blocked them in the game which i see is our only option..and thought to ask here what the rules are on such things. If there are NO standards of such ..i may not choose to stay in EVE long, i have no time or patience for such rude behaviour esp when there may be minors around. If we do not set standards there will be none.
thanks and have a nicer day. i hope to. Going to stay out of EVE for a bit . dont want to be a target for a troll. they tend to get bored if their target does not play back.
This is actually one of the few things I will petition, if it becomes bad enough. I am not one to believe in censorship, but there is a line, and since I can not directly punch someone in the face, I might as well use the resources available to me. Dalto Bane for CSM10- Getting an early start. -á-My posts are my platform
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Pubbie Spy
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.04.29 22:30:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:I appreciate the kind responses, as for the ones that is less than that, yes they ARE my values and they ARE the values of society thank goodness. It is true that in the modern world of today such values of decency and respect are eroding in some areas, but I will Never surrender the field to the "let them do what they want" cop out. I have worked to maintain respect and decency in many on line games for i work in the field of game development at the highest level and i will continue to support such standards. I have not previously had a chance to study and research EVE and I will keep an open mind and heart but I will NOT surrender on the issue of decency in shared recreation and communication. In private chat that is just fine, and com's the same. But in a public chat window there should be standards and levels of respect, and to be a personal target of attacks from creeps is not something to be hoped for.
Thanks for the thoughts shared, I am not surprised to hear tolerance suggested, but I will NOT tolerate such behaviour if there is any way that speaking up can get it curbed.
Such a player should be reprimanded by a GM immediatly and banned if it repeats. If we do not support standards there will be none and chaos leads to entropy NOT freedom.
As for the use of HOTFU in a chat with me I do not appreciate such rude slang attacks, and I request that you never address me in a thread again or i will report you for Abuse. I will not tolerate such rude behaviour in print or in life thank you very much. I have no intention of Hurrying Up to Accepting rude and unkind comments in any form or format. thank you.
I am offended. Offended, I say!
Can you please give me whatever you have left when you inevitably quit EVE in disgust because people don't show you ~respect~ in chat and take all your stuff? |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
471
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Posted - 2014.04.29 22:42:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:This game is not for children. At its core, its a nasty game, about stealing, cheating, telling lies, and using every method available to put yourself ahead of the rest. I never quite get that argument.
Sure, EVE is about being the villain. But using foul language doesn't make you a bad guy, it just makes you appear immature. Being a villain is about your actions, not your words. You can be classy and evil. And you usually gain more with a kind word and a gun than a gun alone.
Of course, foul language used as a combat tactic to effect irrational, self-detrimental in-game behavior is something completely else and an useful tool in ones arsenal. (Which might or might not apply to the OP's situation.) But there are players who use it all the time for no apparent reason. And justifying pointless rudeness with "HTFU, I'm a bad boy," is just pathetic. |
Erica Dusette
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
6643
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Posted - 2014.04.29 23:51:00 -
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Quote:I am used to traditional rules of decent quality chat but wanted to ask here. Probably the first error you made was thinking those standards apply here.
EVE is a **** fest full of people who want nothing more than to violence your spaceships, pod you, insult you, rob you, or in some other way decieve and hurt you. And for the most part all of this is fully sanctioned.
But this harsh and unforgiving nature, and these universal risks, is also what makes EVE so exciting for many people. Just watching the show and avoiding the risks yourself is sometimes just as much fun as perpetrating them. But this world isn't for everyone, and it's not unusual for some people to balk at the environment here and move on to another game. Rage quit threads are pretty common.
What you do is totally up to you and your tastes in gaming. But yeah ... it's gonna get a lot worse than some insults in local.
Also, welcome! You'll eventually find not everyone here in EVE is a **** ****.
Major (Ret.) Caldari Militia | Part-time wormhole pirate | Full-time super model Gÿá Wormhole Diary Sith1s Spectre: "Here at Sky Fighters we respect quality forum PvPers." |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
626
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Posted - 2014.04.30 00:42:00 -
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Thomas Builder wrote:Leto Thule wrote:This game is not for children. At its core, its a nasty game, about stealing, cheating, telling lies, and using every method available to put yourself ahead of the rest. I never quite get that argument. Sure, EVE is about being the villain. But using foul language doesn't make you a bad guy, it just makes you appear immature. Being a villain is about your actions, not your words. You can be classy and evil. And you usually gain more with a kind word and a gun than a gun alone. Of course, foul language used as a combat tactic to effect irrational, self-detrimental in-game behavior is something completely else and an useful tool in ones arsenal. (Which might or might not apply to the OP's situation.) But there are players who use it all the time for no apparent reason. And justifying pointless rudeness with "HTFU, I'm a bad boy," is just pathetic.
Hold on there fella. I never said HTFU, im a bad boy. If you will read my posts on this forum, most of them are devoid of any type of excessive cursing, so please dont try to classify me as a mouthy doucherocket who spams local with profane jibber. The above quote of my reference to this not being a childrens game is in direct reference to OP's statement about minors. If you are concerned about your kids seeing "bad words" (oh no! because they will never see it anywhere else!) then dont let them watch.
The growing belief in the real world is that you have some sort of right not to be offended. Please show me the law. This is ****, and I refuse to let the political correct clown crap that goes on in real life seep into my hobby. What happens if I am offended that YOU are offended? Whatever would we do then? Its a joke.
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
ViRtUoZone
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
2
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Posted - 2014.04.30 01:08:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:I appreciate the kind responses, as for the ones that is less than that, yes they ARE my values and they ARE the values of society thank goodness. It is true that in the modern world of today such values of decency and respect are eroding in some areas, but I will Never surrender the field to the "let them do what they want" cop out. I have worked to maintain respect and decency in many on line games for i work in the field of game development at the highest level and i will continue to support such standards. I have not previously had a chance to study and research EVE and I will keep an open mind and heart but I will NOT surrender on the issue of decency in shared recreation and communication. In private chat that is just fine, and com's the same. But in a public chat window there should be standards and levels of respect, and to be a personal target of attacks from creeps is not something to be hoped for.
Thanks for the thoughts shared, I am not surprised to hear tolerance suggested, but I will NOT tolerate such behaviour if there is any way that speaking up can get it curbed.
Such a player should be reprimanded by a GM immediatly and banned if it repeats. If we do not support standards there will be none and chaos leads to entropy NOT freedom.
As for the use of HOTFU in a chat with me I do not appreciate such rude slang attacks, and I request that you never address me in a thread again or i will report you for Abuse. I will not tolerate such rude behaviour in print or in life thank you very much. I have no intention of Hurrying Up to Accepting rude and unkind comments in any form or format. thank you.
This is a game where I can say whatever I want 99% of the time. Basically if it's not a personal threat I can say it. While you might be willing to leave because of this there are a thousand others that are willing to leave should it change. |
Dalto Bane
Black Swarm Locust
94
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Posted - 2014.04.30 01:17:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Thomas Builder wrote:Leto Thule wrote:This game is not for children. At its core, its a nasty game, about stealing, cheating, telling lies, and using every method available to put yourself ahead of the rest. I never quite get that argument. Sure, EVE is about being the villain. But using foul language doesn't make you a bad guy, it just makes you appear immature. Being a villain is about your actions, not your words. You can be classy and evil. And you usually gain more with a kind word and a gun than a gun alone. Of course, foul language used as a combat tactic to effect irrational, self-detrimental in-game behavior is something completely else and an useful tool in ones arsenal. (Which might or might not apply to the OP's situation.) But there are players who use it all the time for no apparent reason. And justifying pointless rudeness with "HTFU, I'm a bad boy," is just pathetic. Hold on there fella. I never said HTFU, im a bad boy. If you will read my posts on this forum, most of them are devoid of any type of excessive cursing, so please dont try to classify me as a mouthy doucherocket who spams local with profane jibber. The above quote of my reference to this not being a childrens game is in direct reference to OP's statement about minors. If you are concerned about your kids seeing "bad words" (oh no! because they will never see it anywhere else!) then dont let them watch. The growing belief in the real world is that you have some sort of right not to be offended. Please show me the law. This is ****, and I refuse to let the political correct clown crap that goes on in real life seep into my hobby. What happens if I am offended that YOU are offended? Whatever would we do then? Its a joke. As long as its within the confines of the EULA/TOS, I completely agree. Dalto Bane for CSM10- Getting an early start. -á-My posts are my platform
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B Raan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.04.30 01:44:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Eve is very much a social experiment that deals with the darker side of human nature,
Erica Dusette wrote:EVE is a **** fest full of people who want nothing more than to violence your spaceships, pod you, insult you, rob you, or in some other way decieve and hurt you. And for the most part all of this is fully sanctioned.
while I won't state that either of these statements are wrong, they make it sound like bad villainous characters are the only ones that exist in the EVE universe, and this just isn't true.
There are those who provide assistance to others free of charge, teachers that provide learning opportunities, tight knit care bear corps, and even anti-pirate corps.
I think people find it easier to play a bad guy, as they never have to be beholden to any principals, but EVE is far from being just a bunch of thugs and assholes.
And OP, nice try at trolling ;) |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
1113
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:04:00 -
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The problem OP is actually you.
If you draw an invisible line in the sand regarding what is offensive and what isn't - it is your own fault that you are offended when someone crossed that invisible line.
The person you believe caused the offense did not create the boundary - you did. Take some responsibility for your own actions and either remove your boundary - OR grow up enough to know that someone elses boundary is not in the same place as yours and simply ignore them.
TBH - If words on a screen upset/effect you in any way at all - then you have bigger issues to work out. Docked since 2009. |
Carnia Astrael
5
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:28:00 -
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Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game. ------------------------------------------ |
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Coffee Rocks
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
169
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:36:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:I had an unfortunate experience in chat today with rudeness crossing over the line to obscene insults and personal attacks. It appears the Mods will not enforce the rules..they gave an ambivilant response with no real reply. I will be moving on and leaving EVE most likely.
A game with no standards of conduct is not a game it is a disaster waiting to happen.
Come join Brave Collective. Vulgarity, bigotry, and personal attacks towards another person (even the war targets) will get you swift hammer from leadership, ban in comms, and/or ban from alliance. All circumstances are considered; we aren't unjust. thecoffeerocks.blogspot.com Twitter: @thecoffeerocks |-áSteam: CoffeeRocks | thecoffeerocks.blogspot.com https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=327221 |
Coffee Rocks
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
169
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:45:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:Sorry to have raised this topic it appears this community does not on the majority recognize decorum or courtesy in a game. I will not be replying further.
The culture in EVE never used to be this bad (though, the forums are particularly bad, but that's true of all MMOs). CCP has chosen to take a hands-off approach to allow the collective player base to self-regulate. As you can see, this allows for some very ugly behavior.
Folks like the ones above claim it's "accepted in the sandbox" and "HTFU or GTFO" - consider what they say, but you'll find mostly a lot of garbage and fallacy (mostly, though, trolling for defense of their belief, even if wrong). They believe EVE is a place where they can completely attack other people without repercussion. Most of the time they ride the EULA/TOS line, sometimes they get away with it - and sometimes the GM's find they tip-toed over the line a tiny bit and they get banned.
Regardless, I'm sorry to see that you won't be joining. We could use more people of decency. After all, though they claim this is a galaxy for villains, I tend to see the vast majority are angels out there. thecoffeerocks.blogspot.com Twitter: @thecoffeerocks |-áSteam: CoffeeRocks | thecoffeerocks.blogspot.com https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=327221 |
Froggy Storm
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
215
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:51:00 -
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Op sees no need to reply further yet continues to reply with (arguably) offencive threats on the community as a whole.
Op can you not see the irony in dictating your personal views and standards onto another group? One which clearly you have no direct ties to or understanding of.
Please keep "your society" to yourself and your crusade out of eve. Hello kitty island is over there and has (I assume) moderators more to your liking.
2/10 for entitlement tears and for replying after a "I quit" post.
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Coffee Rocks
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
169
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:07:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:Op sees no need to reply further yet continues to reply with (arguably) offencive threats on the community as a whole.
Op can you not see the irony in dictating your personal views and standards onto another group? One which clearly you have no direct ties to or understanding of.
Please keep "your society" to yourself and your crusade out of eve. Hello kitty island is over there and has (I assume) moderators more to your liking.
2/10 for entitlement tears and for replying after a "I quit" post.
0/10 bad troll. No tears 4 u.
Treating others respectfully isn't "a crusade in EVE". Not doing so is called "one less paying sub in EVE".
Congrats? thecoffeerocks.blogspot.com Twitter: @thecoffeerocks |-áSteam: CoffeeRocks | thecoffeerocks.blogspot.com https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=327221 |
Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
44
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:11:00 -
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Cant please everyone. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
626
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:17:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game.
1) Op says he is a software developer 2) Op is not familiar with "Online interaction is not rated" tagline on every single multiplayer game.
Fail. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Michael Ruckert
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2014.04.30 06:18:00 -
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OP, stop repeating yourself. Saying you are leaving once is enough. Depart. Thank you. "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier |
Pubbie Spy
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:07:00 -
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Carnia Astrael wrote:Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game.
Reasons such as? |
Damon Messer
Miroirs Cult of War
0
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:07:00 -
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OP can i have your stuff? |
Abrei-Kaii
United Earth Space Council Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
37
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:22:00 -
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Your going about this all wrong. We all know that special agent ripard-teg is the only authority on 'cyber bullying' and 'harassment'. Next time get him to write a blog and start a threadnaught then you will get results.
That being said, Can I have your stuff? |
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