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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
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Posted - 2014.05.01 00:46:00 -
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With the increased CODE Alliance activity in high sector located around the asteroid belts becoming more and more a problem I propose a new method of dealing with the threat. The method would involve establishing patrol fleets within each belt that the members of a corporation could put ISK towards each week in order to fund the patrol fleets.
Each local system patrol fleet would have the duty of protecting a certain asteroid belt.
How the patrol fleet would work and accomplish the job of defending the mining operations is rather easy.
First the patrol fleet is established using either cruisers or battle cruisers set for MAX DPS. The battle cruiser I have in mind would be the Talos because its fast and heavily gunned.
The patrol fleet would patrol its area or areas making certain to guard the barges in the belt. If an unusual ship such as a Stabber appears close by to a mining barge then a strike is imminent on the mining barge within a few minutes.
Once the CODE Command Ship appears the Patrol Ship would move to within an orbit of 1000 meters from the barge that the CODE Command Ship is near. Once the attack vessels arrive which will mostly like be two to three catalyst destroyers and begin the attack is when the Patrol Ship is able to respond. As soon as the attack vessels begin their attack on the barge which begins with one attacker firing first and taking the barge to half armor before it is popped by Concord with the second attacker finishing the barge off the Patrol Ship is able to open fire on the lead attacking vessel since there is alot of time between when Concord arrives which depends on the system security status.
See below to manage your attack on CODE Assault Ships.
Quote:CONCORD Response Times
The CONCORD Response Time depends basically on the displayed security status (not the real sec) of the system and the status of CONCORD presence in the system. It's possible CONCORD still has to spawn in the system, has already spawned elsewhere in the system, or is present on grid.
It seems the lock time of the CONCORD ships does not depend on the signature radius of the offender's ship. The following table gives the time in seconds between the offending action and the first felt action of a CONCORD ship when CONCORD has just spawned in a system. 0.5: Roughly 19 seconds 0.6: Roughly 14 seconds 0.7 : Roughly 10 seconds 0.8 : Roughly 7 seconds 0.9 and 1.0: Roughly 6 seconds
When CONCORD is already on grid, the response time is severely reduced. There are no hard numbers on that yet but it looks like as if the response time drops to 2 seconds in 1.0 to about 8 seconds in 0.6 and 9 seconds in 0.5.
When CONCORD has already spawned elsewhere in the system but isn't on grid, the response time is significantly increased. In this case it will take about 22 seconds them to arrive and start firing in a 0.6 system.
A Thrasher has a cycle time of 7 seconds, and does about 1000 damage per volley. So for a ship that costs less than a 1 million ISK you can be suicide ganked for 1000-2000 EHP in a 0.5 security system where CONCORD still has to spawn. The same setup in 0.9 would only do 1000 EHP of damage.
If CONCORD has already spawned in the system and is not on grid, it's possible the Thrasher can do 3000 EHP damage in a 0.6 system.
As you can see there is more than enough time for a t2 fitted Talos to attack the CODE attack vessel and earn the kill.
Each Patrol Fleet Corporation should have no less than ten members in it and no more than twenty that way each solar system can have its own Patrol Fleet that is responsible for its own system.
The High Sector Patrol Fleet is a good way for a corporation to earn ISK and learn how to PVP in High Sector systems.
This would also be a good thing for the 500 new pilots being trained by CCP as their presence will be much appreciated as well as establishing a good firm standing with the rest of the pilots in New Eden. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.05.01 00:47:00 -
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--> Corporation, Alliance & Organization Discussions
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5579
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Posted - 2014.05.01 00:49:00 -
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So, you're suggesting a mass whoring on killmails.
It didn't need a post that long. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Keeper of Contracts
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.05.01 00:49:00 -
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The best gank deterrent is a good tank and a permit. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
933
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Posted - 2014.05.01 00:55:00 -
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Ah yes, the sit in a belt at keyboard for 8 hours in the hope that CODE will show up today strategy.
How long exactly would it take for a pilot reflecting on the afk surrounding him before he decides its just not worth sitting there. 20 minutes ?
If the miners are not afk, they can press warp for themselves.
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Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
93
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:02:00 -
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If you read carefully (don't do this), you will notice that the OP also managed to misunderstand very basic ganking mechanics like "everyone shoot at the same time so you don't spawn Concord early". |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1890
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:04:00 -
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Not to rain on your parade...
But, one of my old highsec ganking corps would GANK anyone trying to defend the miners...
Your best option is a Falcon cloaked... I hope everyone voted in the CSM elections! Thank you to those who actually supported my campaign! Even if I don't get elected in, I hope that the CSM that do, and Devs actually use my ideas somewhere! |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2617
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:11:00 -
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No one is going to show up for this ****.
Anyone interested in killing other players is already doing it. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:11:00 -
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I for one welcome these new protectors of the AFK mining enthusiasts. I'd like to recommend battleships with lots of shiny mods for extra DPS to really smite those gankers. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
Sibyyl
589
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:30:00 -
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DrysonBennington, thanks for organizing this honorable effort to protect Highsec from these monsters. It has been a long time coming.
Everyone, please note that all official donation and funding for this effort can be sent to Fighter Jets GuitarSolo to finance ship loss SRP.
Thank you. Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention Psychotic Monk joins BNI |
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Avaelica Kuershin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:11:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:I for one welcome these new protectors of the AFK mining enthusiasts. I'd like to recommend battleships with lots of shiny mods for extra DPS to really smite those gankers.
That would tempt me to get out the Catalyst and lurk menacingly in the belts I usually mine in the hope of getting them Concorded. ;)
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13024
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:15:00 -
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THEY CAN GANK OUR BARGES, BUT THEY CAN NEVER GANK OUR FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOMMM!!!!!!!
-Highsec Braveheart.
Can you believe we got 2 of these threads this week?!?!?! Oh yeah..Burn Jita Comedown Week. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Mark Munoz
The One Corp Brothers of Tangra
146
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:36:00 -
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So you want AFK miners to pay, an entity with no track record of any sort of success for "Protection", an unknown amount of ISK? The same people that refuse to pay the 10 Million ISK for what is essentially the same protection. The way I see it they only don't pay because of principal or because they refuse to dirty up the Bio. So you really think these same group of people would want to pay for protection from you? Also how will you manage who to protect? Standings only works while you are small as there is a limit. So then you have bio again which is another group of people that refuse to dirty it up. What happens if you fail to protect? |
Kristalll
Valkyrie Professional Resources
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:42:00 -
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Good initiative.
But here are some problems:
1. How do you plan to get the protected miners to pay for the service you provide?
2. How do you intend to convince them you aren't just CODE using a new tactic to steal their iskies?
3. How do you intend to keep the patrols from becoming completely bored during their patrols?
4. What do you intend to do in a event a miner has paid for the patrol, the patrol is present, and the gank still succeeds?
5. How do you intent to keep the patrol pilots morale up when the appreciation for the hard work is never shown?
We have to remember that the individuals you are trying to protect aren't at their keyboards, and blatantly neglect basic fitting capabilities so they can max yield. Hell, a lot of them are so concerned with yield that they won't even pay 10m isk for a year for a permit.
I'm just curious how you intend to handle these VERY likely problems. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |
Abrei-Kaii
United Earth Space Council Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
39
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:45:00 -
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Very simple here...
You don't want to be ganked, Don't be in space AFK, properly tank your ship, don't fly a freighter with 5 Billion isk worth of crap in your cargo hold....
Basically, don't be ******** = You don't get ganked... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9480
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:46:00 -
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What's high sector? "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
934
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Posted - 2014.05.01 04:12:00 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:I for one welcome these new protectors of the AFK mining enthusiasts. I'd like to recommend battleships with lots of shiny mods for extra DPS to really smite those gankers. That would tempt me to get out the Catalyst and lurk menacingly in the belts I usually mine in the hope of getting them Concorded. ;)
if he intends using the talos, which is after all a battleship tracking weapon system ship with a cruiser tank to manage destroyers, then orbit the talos and put it out of its misery, then come back in 15 minutes to kill the afk barge - it will still be there patiently waiting for you :)
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
241
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Posted - 2014.05.01 04:21:00 -
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Gotta love forum PvPers
Anyway ... OP... the whole idea of suicide ganking is "splat - you're gone". There are no seconds involved. My signature got stolen (o.0) |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4020
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Posted - 2014.05.01 04:39:00 -
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The only thing more boring than mining is 'patrolling' miners. |
Michael Ruckert
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
136
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Posted - 2014.05.01 04:40:00 -
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Keeper of Contracts wrote:The best gank deterrent is a good tank on a Procurer.
Fixed that for you.
"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier |
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Legetus Shmoof Metallii
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
48
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Posted - 2014.05.01 04:41:19 -
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Didn't expect anything less than a high sec guy trying to organize PVP and getting flak for it.... stay classy EVE vets... |
Keeper of Contracts
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.05.01 05:04:00 -
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Michael Ruckert wrote:Keeper of Contracts wrote:The best gank deterrent is a good tank on a Procurer. Fixed that for you.
Are you implying people actually fly fail-fit paper mache barges?
That's crazy. You're crazy. |
Report
Doomheim
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Posted - 2014.05.01 05:04:24 -
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Michael Ruckert wrote:Keeper of Contracts wrote:The best gank deterrent is a good tank on a Procurer. Fixed that for you.
Are you implying people actually fly fail-fit paper mache barges?
That's crazy. You're crazy. |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
668
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Posted - 2014.05.01 05:58:48 -
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Even the largest of small autocannons has a cycle time of 3.75 seconds. The largest of small artillery has a cycle time of 10.7 seconds while the smallest artillery has a cycle time of 8.5 seconds; however, since arty thrashers aren't used in ganking (other than getting pods) I'll just throw that info out.
A max gank thrasher (no rigs and max skills) using republic fleet EMP S only has 791 volley damage but 360 sustained DPS. Assuming a .6 system with concord spawned off grid, like in your quote, the response time should be 8 seconds. This means a thrasher will be able to do 2880 RAW EM damage, not omni EHP damage.
I don't know what you're getting at but you obviously just quoted an out of date Eve Uni wiki, which even has the "This article should be cleaned up or improved" tag at the top. At least use up to date data when making serious posts.
Honor is a fools prize.
[I]Glory is of no use to the dead.[/I]
Be a man! Post with your main!
~Vas'Avi Community Manager
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Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
975
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Posted - 2014.05.01 06:40:44 -
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Get out of high sector.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Far Wanderer
Bank of Far
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Posted - 2014.05.01 06:47:23 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:With the increased CODE Alliance activity in high sector located around the asteroid belts becoming more and more a problem I propose a new method of dealing with the threat. The method would involve establishing patrol fleets within each belt that the members of a corporation could put ISK towards each week in order to fund the patrol fleets. Bah...you're better off forming fleets to go hunting in belts for CODE compliant mining ships to destroy.
Should they ask why you're killing them, tell them to ask the Supreme Protector what the CODE says about the situation.
Speaking of: I don't think the Supreme Protector is all that interested in protecting CODE compliant miners, even if the killmails from your efforts show the miners had proper tanks fitted.
Ultimately you'll add more weigh to his inbox, which is a whole lot more of an accomplishment than anything you could hope to achieve in your proposed undertaking.
In the unlikely event the Supreme Protector is interested in protecting the miners of hisec, then he can establish patrol fleets and there's your fight.
I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors.
--Elizabeth Norn
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Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2014.05.01 07:00:34 -
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Far Wanderer wrote:DrysonBennington wrote:With the increased CODE Alliance activity in high sector located around the asteroid belts becoming more and more a problem I propose a new method of dealing with the threat. The method would involve establishing patrol fleets within each belt that the members of a corporation could put ISK towards each week in order to fund the patrol fleets. Bah...you're better off forming fleets to go hunting in belts for CODE compliant mining ships to destroy. Should they ask why you're killing them, tell them to ask the Supreme Protector what the CODE says about the situation. Speaking of: I don't think the Supreme Protector is all that interested in protecting CODE compliant miners, even if the killmails from your efforts show the miners had proper tanks fitted. Ultimately you'll add more weigh to his inbox, which is a whole lot more of an accomplishment than anything you could hope to achieve in your proposed undertaking. In the unlikely event the Supreme Protector is interested in protecting the miners of hisec, then he can establish patrol fleets and there's your fight.
Actually we are already doing that. The responses from CODE representatives have been interestingly inconsistent. I gotta tell you though OP, your lack of knowledge concerning even the most basic concepts of CODE tactics is astounding. What's this crap about CODE command ships? |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11131
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Posted - 2014.05.01 07:06:20 -
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This is the single most crappy NO advertisement.
Even by their standards.
> I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin.
Random ASCII Image Thread in OOPE
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2014.05.01 07:14:26 -
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Far Wanderer wrote:
In the unlikely event the Supreme Protector is interested in protecting the miners of hisec, then he can establish patrol fleets and there's your fight.
Actually he isn't, as far he is concerned, mining should not be done in highsec at all, and the permit is a concession between you and CODE.
Adopting James phraseology for a second (though I can't manage to make this into a 4 page essay for you as He can), you will be doing His work if you start ganking miners, permit or not.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7045
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Posted - 2014.05.01 07:45:44 -
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TL; DR please
its too early in the morning for me
"Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á_- _CCP Falcon
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