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Matthias Navire
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.02 02:37:00 -
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I'd like to propose a hypothetical scenario: 0 ISK.
Probably not literally, but I'm sure someone has managed to grind themselves down to nubbins like this at some point. Lets say your ships got blown, your trade deals went south, you're a pinata to every pirate in the cluster and you managed to spend every last ISK you had trying to retool and rebuild after each loss.
What happens? I know you get the starter, but what about modules? Guns and ammo? Are you reduced to running small courier missions? Do you beg for a handout? Do you go into the red?
The reason I ask is that I wonder about the whole risk/reward thing, and about just how hard it would be to build up from nothing. If it's not impossible I might just try some crazier things, rather than play it safe. So, what do you do when you risk everything and lose anyway?
Also, I started in the Gallentean federation, but I find I'm more into the Minmatar ships. Any way I can change the starter I get when I arrive shipless at a station? |
Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.05.02 02:47:00 -
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Grab your (always free) noobship and start running lvl 1 missions?
Never undock in anything you can't afford to lose.
Despite being Gallente there's nothing at all stopping you from training into Matari ships, or any other race. But as for your question, are you referring to the free noobship that spawns when you dock shipless in station? Because if so then race doesnt really matter, they're all pretty much the same thing.
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Jur Tissant
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.02 03:00:00 -
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I dunno, a lot of the big ISK income depends on skills. With less than 100 mil I could set up my PI network again as well as invest in a mining barge. Each rookie ship comes with a civilian miner attached so ammo is only a few cycles away. |
Matthias Navire
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.02 03:02:00 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:I dunno, a lot of the big ISK income depends on skills. With less than 100 mil I could set up my PI network again as well as invest in a mining barge. Each rookie ship comes with a civilian miner attached so ammo is only a few cycles away.
A civ miner? No one mentioned that.
See you in nullsec. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2772
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Posted - 2014.05.02 03:17:00 -
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If I lost *everything*, I'd run one of the training mission arcs I hadn't previously done in a noobship and got a destroyer from it (as well as a Venture, several frigates and modules). Set the universe on fire - then sell the survivors ash. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Dani Dusette
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.05.02 03:21:00 -
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Could just buy a PLEX and sell it on the market.
Instant millionaire again
Mizhir:-á "Dani Dusette, Best Dusette" Samoth Egnoled: "Make sure you turn yourself often and bathe in your own juices." ISD Ezwal: "Might I inform you that I am as real as it gets?" |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3545
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Posted - 2014.05.02 03:21:00 -
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The only thing that scares me about 0 ISK is not having an awesome story to tell about it.
With a rookie ship, I expect I can be back in the billions in no time. I've learned how to earn ISK. I have many skills. I have high standing with many corps and factions. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.05.02 03:38:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:The only thing that scares me about 0 ISK is not having an awesome story to tell about it.
With a rookie ship, I expect I can be back in the billions in no time. I've learned how to earn ISK. I have many skills. I have high standing with many corps and factions. Unless he got podded repeatedly in an alpha clone and is a pirate. |
Candi LeMew
Rolled Out
922
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Posted - 2014.05.02 03:45:00 -
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Could just biomass and start again.
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.02 04:04:00 -
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If I found myself with no ISK, no ships, and no fallback resources to draw from (pro-tip: ALWAYS have a small cache of stuff somewhere in case everything goes wrong)... I would start by establishing connections with others.
I would not beg, but rather offer my services.
For example:
- Need someone to clean up your missions/anomalies? Give me a destroy with Tech 1 salvagers, tractor beams, and cargo expanders. I'll just take 15% of the total value of the stuff.
- You want a hero tackler? I can do that. Give me a bunch of cheap frigates, some scrams, and MWDs... I can do it! I just want some of the loot afterwards.
- Mining can work too. Use a rookie ship to earn myself a Venture and the necessary mods... then go chew up some rocks or (if I'm really ambitious) go look for gas to harvest.
- Run FW complexes in a shitfit frigate equipped with mods and ammo I found ratting. With enough LP... I can earn tens of millions.
- Look around for anomalies out in "backwater" systems few people go to... see if I can nab something shiny to sell on the market. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
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Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.05.02 04:07:00 -
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Never not use someone else's ship.
The real horror would be running out of contacts willing to lend you a ship. In which case, there are single player sandbox games you could switch to. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.05.02 04:31:00 -
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0isk? been there. Back when my corp was in the Brotherhood Of Steel alliance, we were in this war in the kari pipe in providence. I would up dying so many times that i had 0 isk to my name. assets scattered all over but no money, and my corp was broke too. i jumped in a noob ship and spent the day mining. thats how i rebuilt |
Cara Forelli
End-of-Line Sky Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.05.02 04:35:00 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:I dunno, a lot of the big ISK income depends on skills. With less than 100 mil I could set up my PI network again as well as invest in a mining barge. Each rookie ship comes with a civilian miner attached so ammo is only a few cycles away.
Civilian guns don't need ammo :) www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2014.05.02 05:03:00 -
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Only way I know of people going red is being involved, even if only peripherally in RMT, so when the transactions were retro canceled, and the isk deleted, players could find themselves hundreds of millions or billions of isk in the red.
IIRC jumping through gates requires a small fee, so you would be trapped in system and only run missions in that system, or rat, or mine. Being in the red would make it impossible to purchase anything or even sell anything on the market because you have to pay fees and taxes. But you could do missions until you got some good modules, or ask for direct station trades in local, maybe for a probe launcher and probes. Then you could scan down abandoned ships for you own amusement.
I don't think plex would work, since you would need to pay fees to sell the plex. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Amber Patoria
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.05.02 05:31:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:I don't think plex would work, since you would need to pay fees to sell the plex. Good point, totally forgot about that.
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Trevor Dalech
Adeptus Assassinorum Silent Eviction
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Posted - 2014.05.02 06:01:00 -
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If I lost everything and had positive sec status, it would be easy enough to rebuild. Just run the tutorials missions somewhere and you're basically set.
With my current sec status, that would however not be an option, I doubt a noob ship can tank the police (not to mention all those other noobs in tutorial systems who enjoy the idea of shooting a red ibis.) I would start out mining and ratting in my noob ship in low sec, perhaps steal some gate camp's leftovers. The first mil would probably be the hardest, after that I can upgrade and things will be back to normal pretty quickly. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:00:00 -
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0 isk? I would buy PLEX and continue flying ships I enjoy and have skills for.
If not PLEX there is Angel project and no doubt I could get fitted thrasher from them. And with that thrasher I would go to lowsec and hunt for clone soldiers and BS rats. I don't think it would be long before I could afford more than just ammo supply for that thrasher.
Or I could hit complete rock bottom and sign myself up to FW and spin around buttons in novice plexes with my free rookie ship (assuming they are allowed in them).
I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:17:00 -
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Trevor Dalech wrote:If I lost everything and had positive sec status, it would be easy enough to rebuild. Just run the tutorials missions somewhere and you're basically set.
With my current sec status, that would however not be an option, I doubt a noob ship can tank the police (not to mention all those other noobs in tutorial systems who enjoy the idea of shooting a red ibis.) I would start out mining and ratting in my noob ship in low sec, perhaps steal some gate camp's leftovers. The first mil would probably be the hardest, after that I can upgrade and things will be back to normal pretty quickly.
Yeah you could run level 1 security missions in lowsec, and the bottom two or three tiers of anomolies, until you got enough to get a real frigate (should be an hour or so), then a destroyer or cruiser.
The experience of actually *using* meta 1-2 rat drops would be interesting. Set the universe on fire - then sell the survivors ash. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1952
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:20:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:0 isk? I would buy PLEX and continue flying ships I enjoy and have skills for. If not PLEX there is Angel project and no doubt I could get fitted thrasher from them. And with that thrasher I would go to lowsec and hunt for clone soldiers and BS rats. I don't think it would be long before I could afford more than just ammo supply for that thrasher. Or I could hit complete rock bottom and sign myself up to FW and spin around buttons in novice plexes with my free rookie ship (assuming they are allowed in them). they aren't. but a frigate with a laser should not be hard to come by.
edit: i do not see myself putting all my eggs in one (sizable) basket, but if i ever found myself with an empty wallet, i could always sell an alt or two and use the isk to leverage a new trade career.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1656
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:42:00 -
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Doesn't character transfer require PLEX? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3546
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Posted - 2014.05.02 07:48:00 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:The only thing that scares me about 0 ISK is not having an awesome story to tell about it.
With a rookie ship, I expect I can be back in the billions in no time. I've learned how to earn ISK. I have many skills. I have high standing with many corps and factions. Unless he got podded repeatedly in an alpha clone and is a pirate. Doesn't matter. I can start a new character and make much faster advancement than I originally did.
I've still got my years of EVE knowledge and experience. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2014.05.02 08:00:00 -
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Luckily there is the Making ISK guide to give you some suggestions on ways to claw your way back into the 1% club.
The most conservative path back into fat-wallet-land is to run some L1 courier missions -> buy a hauler -> run bigger courier missions. Everything else except station spinning will make more ISK faster:
- Mine in your rookie ship until you can afford a Venture, then keep mining and upgrading your equipment
- Mine or run courier missions until you can afford a frigate to do L1 security missions, then do those in a destroyer, then head to L2s with a cruiser, then L3s with a a battlecruiser, then a battleship.
- Do the Exploration tutorial mission (if you have access to one still), head out into low sec with your exploration ship to make your fortune from treasure hunting
- Join Pro Synergy, borrow a destroyer or Noctis and make your millions
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Lost Greybeard
Blackjack. TITANS.
545
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Posted - 2014.05.02 11:29:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:The only thing that scares me about 0 ISK is not having an awesome story to tell about it.
With a rookie ship, I expect I can be back in the billions in no time. I've learned how to earn ISK. I have many skills. I have high standing with many corps and factions. Tau has many leather-bound books, and his apartment smells of rich Mahogany. |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
2151
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Posted - 2014.05.02 12:46:00 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:The only thing that scares me about 0 ISK is not having an awesome story to tell about it.
With a rookie ship, I expect I can be back in the billions in no time. I've learned how to earn ISK. I have many skills. I have high standing with many corps and factions. Tau has many leather-bound books, and his apartment smells of rich Mahogany.
^ this.
While you were there, did you happen to partake of the well-aged scotch he also keeps on hand? One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Jason Station
A Better Corp Name
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Posted - 2014.05.02 13:35:00 -
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I have been in to the negative isk range (legitimately, got busted with contraband at a gate and the fine was higher than what I had on me. I had to petition a GM because they would not let me go because I had not paid the fine) and pulling back out was a pain only because I could not sell anything (you need isk to pay the fees). I grabbed a rookie ship and ran missions in it (which was also a challenge without the money for collateral for some missions) until I got to above zero. From there is was time to sell the junk I had looted while negative, get better equipment and go right back to it.
Getting to zero is not a huge deal once you know how the game works. Sometimes I even start a trial account just to remember what the new guys have to go through. |
Cronos Decendum
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.02 14:04:00 -
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Amber Patoria wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:I don't think plex would work, since you would need to pay fees to sell the plex. Good point, totally forgot about that.
Buy plex on alt. Wire money. Works in real world so works in EVE.
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Marc Callan
Nuclear Manhattan Limited
442
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Posted - 2014.05.02 15:44:00 -
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The last-ditch solution if you've been taken for absolutely everything: the free noobship, which always assembles complete with civilian weapon with no ammunition requirements and a civ mining laser. (And if you strip off the turrets and repackage it, then re-assemble it, you'll get another civ weapon and civ mining laser.) So long as you can dock at a station (and there should always be a station somewhere where you can dock), you'll never be without the means to fly, shoot, and/or drill.
And even if you've been blasted back into an alpha clone, injected skillbooks never leave your head. You may have to re-train from scratch, but you never have to re-buy a skillbook. "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt |
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
186
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:13:00 -
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When it comes to rsik and reward in a hypothetical scenario like you stated then it doesnt apply. Where is the risk of losing nothing for something. Get creative and hungry. Do whatever you can to make isk even if its immoral. OP what would you do if you were stranded on a desert island???????? would you survive or just lay down and die. For god sakes man take everything give nothing. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1328
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:50:00 -
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Plenty of answers for the rest of the stuff, but nobody seems to have touched upon this:
Matthias Navire wrote:Also, I started in the Gallentean federation, but I find I'm more into the Minmatar ships. Any way I can change the starter I get when I arrive shipless at a station?
No, there is not. As a Gallente character you will always get a Velator as your free noobship. That's okay though, because it's the most powerful noobship . Completely OP. I can't believe CCP Fozzie is ignoring the critical issue that is nerfing the Velator. ISD LackOfFaith Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums. |
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Obunagawe
353
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:59:00 -
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If I lost everything it would be a good excuse to quit EVE. |
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