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Tabs27
Resilient Roamers
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Posted - 2014.05.02 11:11:00 -
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Hey everyone, what are your thoughts on these two ships? Wondering which is better for roaming around null and trying to find some prey? [Videos] EVE Online Youtube Playlists: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318601 |
Tuscor
united system's commonwealth
69
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Posted - 2014.05.02 12:14:00 -
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Stratios hands down!
I want the Pilgrim to be good, but it suffers from bad range on its neuts and compared to the dps of the Stratios, the Pilgrim falls by the wayside.
Stratios has lots of dps, bigger drone bay and cargo bay for extended operations and has the scanner bonus if you want to find people in sites or travel by wormholes. You can carry a 'Yurt' and refit, and there are plenty of fitting options.
Downside is cost, but hey - its worth it IMO.
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Froggy Storm
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
226
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Posted - 2014.05.02 12:43:00 -
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I must agree. The strat wins in every category except gold plating.
Inferior drones, a very poor tank, neuts without a range bonus so you can't kite effectively, and so on. Not sure if they both get similar sensor delay though so pilg might have an edge there, but if so it is minute. |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.02 13:14:00 -
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Pilgrim is cheaper and has better fitting, which basically works to make it even cheaper since you don't need to put faction stuff on it to make your fits work. |
Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
113
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Posted - 2014.05.02 13:26:00 -
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I like double Tracking Distruptors :)
But assuming you are solo then yes I say Stratios, I usually use my Pilgrim for small gang work only. -Bl+¦d
http://bloodytravels.blogspot.com/ -á-- My travels through space. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:57:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:Pilgrim is cheaper and has better fitting, which basically works to make it even cheaper since you don't need to put faction stuff on it to make your fits work.
Pilgrims are cheap for a reason.
...but they aren't cheap enough for me to feel comfortable taking them into scram range every time I take a fight. |
C'ernd
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:33:00 -
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Stratios hands down. But...the pilgrim is still a good cloaky gank boat. You'll have to pick your targets more carefully though. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
656
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Posted - 2014.05.02 19:33:00 -
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Pilgrim's only use is as a hood ornament for my Raven.
Stratios is very good for exploration.
Both are pointless once you get into a Legion.
Buy a Legion. GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥
-Grath Telkin, 2014. |
Kassandra Tielaxi
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:44:00 -
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Is there a Legion fit similar to Stratios but better? Playing in EFT so far, and while it has better tank, I can't get the DPS numbers comparable (only half the drone bw). I can't get it cloaky AND drones at same time. And if I go cloaky gank, the dps still seems to be lacking...under 500, which is well lower than the stratios at 600+ |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:54:00 -
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The Stratios is actually one of the meanest things that can fit through a covert cyno. It can't match the tank of a fully bricked-out T3 and doesn't get cool options like nullification or ewar bonuses, but in terms of raw ability to hurt things it's bumping shoulders with combat Blops. |
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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
116
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Posted - 2014.05.03 21:51:00 -
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It sounds like the Strat is quickly becoming a low sector favorite for bashing your enemy.
I real on Battle Clinic that you actually lose DPS when using energy turrets yet gain DPS when using blasters. Is there any truth to this?
Also what about creating a build where the Strat becomes a long range drone support ship? It has more than enough slots to build a devastating Drone Carrier. |
Shelom Severasse
Elite Kombat Academy
8
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Posted - 2014.05.04 00:48:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:It sounds like the Strat is quickly becoming a low sector favorite for bashing your enemy.
I real on Battle Clinic that you actually lose DPS when using energy turrets yet gain DPS when using blasters. Is there any truth to this?
Also what about creating a build where the Strat becomes a long range drone support ship? It has more than enough slots to build a devastating Drone Carrier. the only bonus the strat gets to guns is medium energy optimal. you should be seeing a dps increase with blasters |
hiporiko
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.05.04 02:44:00 -
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Kassandra Tielaxi wrote:Is there a Legion fit similar to Stratios but better?
No.
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Jade Lynkinstorm
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2014.05.04 08:49:00 -
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Pilgrim.
Yeah it might seem safer to use the Stratios, but my pilgrim has never let me down through the years.
The one point I will concede on the grim is its speed. or lack of it.
Dont get me wrong. I love the stratios, and having Ranged can be great for a a great number of fights, thats probably I also have one fitted for PvP.
But for now, I truly rely on my pilgrim and the ability that lil ship has to pull out of ****** situations on top.
*It also makes for a mean hero tackling ship, albeit expensive.* |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
185
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Posted - 2014.05.04 11:01:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:It sounds like the Strat is quickly becoming a low sector favorite for bashing your enemy.
I real on Battle Clinic that you actually lose DPS when using energy turrets yet gain DPS when using blasters. Is there any truth to this?
Also what about creating a build where the Strat becomes a long range drone support ship? It has more than enough slots to build a devastating Drone Carrier.
I'd take 30km range over the increased DPS of blasters, the main problem is the Stratios doesn't have the fitting for Heavy Pulse or Neutrons. Ions offer still great DPS for a huge reduction in fitting, but Focused Medium Pulse just suck. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
113
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:01:00 -
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Counterpoint: when you can do 600 DPS with Gardes and have a pretty unimpressive gun bonus, you can basically think of all your highs as utility highs that can also do a little damage. |
Jade Lynkinstorm
Stillwater Corporation
1
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:30:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:Counterpoint: when you can do 600 DPS with Gardes and have a pretty unimpressive gun bonus, you can basically think of all your highs as utility highs that can also do a little damage.
Might aswell as go for an Ishtar and do 800ish DPS :D |
xxMads
Snuff Box
10
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Posted - 2014.05.04 16:00:00 -
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Jade Lynkinstorm wrote:
Might aswell as go for an Ishtar and do 800ish DPS :D
Ishtar not really optimized for cloaky pvp now is it?
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Jade Lynkinstorm
Stillwater Corporation
1
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:14:00 -
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xxMads wrote:Jade Lynkinstorm wrote:
Might aswell as go for an Ishtar and do 800ish DPS :D
Ishtar not really optimized for cloaky pvp now is it?
/joke off.
>_>.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2100
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Posted - 2014.05.05 09:51:00 -
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Stratios.
The pilgrims terrible dps and extremelly limited target selection makes it quite inferior. I never really understood why people think its good. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
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Jade Lynkinstorm
Stillwater Corporation
1
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:28:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Stratios.
The pilgrims terrible dps and extremelly limited target selection makes it quite inferior. I never really understood why people think its good.
Because it IS good.
Stratios is a new ship. The Pilgrim has performed unmatched so far and now its getting a strong competition.
The grim still performs above and beyond against anything amarrian *which is ironic*, and it is able to tackle or serve as an entry point through cyno while also being extremly good for *quick* scouting / recon on more hostile territory (correct me here if I am wrong, but the stratios / asteros still have a penalty on cloaking delay, dont they? 12 or 15seconds ), the grim does not.
It is a remarkably good ship, and great for soloing all around, it also costs half (havent noticed the recent prices, need an update on this) of a stratios.
Again, Stratios is amazing competition, but the grim is still a great ship with lots of uses.
Could it use an extra low/med? Sure *COUGH COUGH bluntly asking for unbalanced buffing *COUGH*, but it is a fun and -good- ship. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:40:00 -
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A recon with **** EHP and unbonused neut range forcing it into hard tackle every time it takes an engagement is pretty categorically not good. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1731
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:45:00 -
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What kind of EHP wouldn't be considered sh!t for recon?
That is serious question because I wonder about getting pilgrim for lowsec solo lulzies and I don't have experience with t2 cruisers. Fit I put together has 32k EHP (buffer fit) and 320 dps from medium drones with my skills, doesn't seem very fragile to me although it is definitely not a level of dps you can get out of much cheaper t1 drone cruisers. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Marc Callan
Nuclear Manhattan Limited
444
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Posted - 2014.05.05 21:59:00 -
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One minor note: while the Stratios can jump through a black ops bridge, it can't mount a covert cyno generator (I tested with a character that can sit in a Stratios and has CFT V). For solo combat, that shouldn't be a concern, but it means the Stratios can't act as advance scout and cyno for a blops drop. "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt |
Tabs27
Resilient Roamers
17
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Posted - 2014.05.06 09:48:00 -
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Thanks everyone! [Videos] EVE Online Youtube Playlists: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318601 |
Shpenat
Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation The Obsidian Front
67
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:10:00 -
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For me it would boil down to what targets would I be looking for.
Cruiser and below -> pilgrim
Cruiser and above -> strations |
ChromeStriker
Chrome Exploration
720
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:14:00 -
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I love the Stratios... can take on more i would think ![Alt text]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fYJrkNWec08/T9EYOmNGPNI/AAAAAAAAC04/UtdRRM8a3hc/s640/cat-fat-dancing-cat-gif.gif |
Torothin
TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
249
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:58:00 -
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Food for thought:
The Pilgrim's main downfall is it's lack of DPS. You will tackle someone and start pounding on him just to find help arriving 30-45 seconds later and it is bye bye Pilgrim. Go with the Stratios. The lack of dps really hurts the Pilgrim. |
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