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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18254
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Posted - 2014.05.08 18:50:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Dramaticus wrote:We will drag you kicking and screaming into this Golden Age of EVE No, you'll drag people kicking and screaming to the 'Cancel Subscription' button. You should lead by example, I'm sure some will follow you, and the game will be better for it.
Disregard Monarchy, Acquire Chickens Never go full Ripard |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
382
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:12:00 -
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we also like highsec because it's full of people who have no concept of their time having value, so they farm up all the PI and trit we need to fuel our engines of war despite it being hilariously awful isk per hour
thanks, highsec
thighsec |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1538
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:15:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Dramaticus wrote:We will drag you kicking and screaming into this Golden Age of EVE No, you'll drag people kicking and screaming to the 'Cancel Subscription' button. You should lead by example, I'm sure some will follow you, and the game will be better for it. Also Goons (GrrGäó) and the nulluminati aren't really interested in destroying highsec, although it's probably a huge source of entertainment to them that certain highsec groups believe otherwise. Why would they want to destroy an area of the game that provides them with a target, and tear, rich environment, to entertain their line members with in times of "peace"?
We spend lots of time laughing in our jabber about some of the tinfoil and grrgoons and linking each other the choice posts when we are not otherwise engaged. The fact we are some of the largest producers in high-sec adds to the irony. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2958
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:18:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Dramaticus wrote:We will drag you kicking and screaming into this Golden Age of EVE No, you'll drag people kicking and screaming to the 'Cancel Subscription' button. You should lead by example, I'm sure some will follow you, and the game will be better for it. Also Goons (GrrGäó) and the nulluminati aren't really interested in destroying highsec, although it's probably a huge source of entertainment to them that certain highsec groups believe otherwise. Why would they want to destroy an area of the game that provides them with a target, and tear, rich environment, to entertain their line members with in times of "peace"? We spend lots of time laughing in our jabber about some of the tinfoil and grrgoons and linking each other the choice posts when we are not otherwise engaged. The fact we are some of the largest producers in high-sec adds to the irony.
Not for much longer are you going to be producing in high sec. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18255
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:20:00 -
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Aryth wrote:The fact we are some of the largest producers in high-sec adds to the irony. I wasn't aware of this part, I knew that you produced stuff in highsec, just not the scale of your operations.
Disregard Monarchy, Acquire Chickens Never go full Ripard |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2348
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:39:00 -
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Have CCP released the actual voting totals yet?
This is not a signature. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1538
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:48:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Aryth wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Dramaticus wrote:We will drag you kicking and screaming into this Golden Age of EVE No, you'll drag people kicking and screaming to the 'Cancel Subscription' button. You should lead by example, I'm sure some will follow you, and the game will be better for it. Also Goons (GrrGäó) and the nulluminati aren't really interested in destroying highsec, although it's probably a huge source of entertainment to them that certain highsec groups believe otherwise. Why would they want to destroy an area of the game that provides them with a target, and tear, rich environment, to entertain their line members with in times of "peace"? We spend lots of time laughing in our jabber about some of the tinfoil and grrgoons and linking each other the choice posts when we are not otherwise engaged. The fact we are some of the largest producers in high-sec adds to the irony. Not for much longer are you going to be producing in high sec.
Yep. Already ran the #'s and the primary market we have been playing in (for personal ISK income) lately will continue to be highsec. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21602
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:49:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Not for much longer are you going to be producing in high sec. Why not?
I mean, really, where does this cognitive dissonance come from? On the one hand, they're evil and clever enough to subvert an entire game company with the intention of running it into the ground, and on the other hand, they apparently can't do simple maths. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4012
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:52:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Not for much longer are you going to be producing in high sec.
I assume given your calculations neither are you then, Dino?
Y'know, cos all the changes are aimed specifically at you, like everything else "bad" that happens in this game that you hate but still pay the Goons for the privilege of playing?
I mean, if CCP do what the cartels tell them, and the gewns are the biggest cartel, that means that you pay them to play in their game, right?
So you are actually feeding the problem yourself, right? "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
382
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:53:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Aryth wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Dramaticus wrote:We will drag you kicking and screaming into this Golden Age of EVE No, you'll drag people kicking and screaming to the 'Cancel Subscription' button. You should lead by example, I'm sure some will follow you, and the game will be better for it. Also Goons (GrrGäó) and the nulluminati aren't really interested in destroying highsec, although it's probably a huge source of entertainment to them that certain highsec groups believe otherwise. Why would they want to destroy an area of the game that provides them with a target, and tear, rich environment, to entertain their line members with in times of "peace"? We spend lots of time laughing in our jabber about some of the tinfoil and grrgoons and linking each other the choice posts when we are not otherwise engaged. The fact we are some of the largest producers in high-sec adds to the irony. Not for much longer are you going to be producing in high sec. did you forget that jump freighters take fuel or something |
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Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2592
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:58:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Someone posted that TQ lost 4000 subs over last year. I have found no citation for that, but it feels right.
hush now, chicken little. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2256
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Posted - 2014.05.08 20:03:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Dramaticus wrote:We will drag you kicking and screaming into this Golden Age of EVE No, you'll drag people kicking and screaming to the 'Cancel Subscription' button.
The myth of the highsec pubbie rapture is just that, a myth, it will never happen. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Marsha Mallow
519
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:18:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Finding a new crop of Cabal members is exactly why I do it. However, based on the insane amount of mechanics and market knowledge it requires they are special unicorns rarer than FCs. At scale you tend to only manipulate the largest markets in EVE because nothing else holds your own wealth much less the other hundreds of people following you in the market.
It isn't so much individuals who have wealth that matter as they don't impact the galaxy. Its the guys steering hundreds of producers, marketeers, investors at a time that do. Fair play, but despite enjoying a degree of collaboration some of us do genuinely treat this side of the game as one of wits, luck and strategy and prefer to do so without interference. It's one of the few areas you can carve a niche in solo. There are always upsides to collaboration, but the point for some of us is to win or lose based upon our own choices, and being spoonfed can dilute that experience. Galaxy wide manips and control are fine and I've no doubt awesome, but it's a second job involving a lot of people. In some ways it's less rewarding than discovering things for yourself and nipping in to harvest quietly. Niche markets are still out there with only a handful of players you can either collaborate with or terrorise.
In a hyper-capitalist universe I'd be wary of assuming major nullsec blocs can completely dominate individuals with equal wealth/expertise across the entire market. Just because individual players don't deliberately act as a unit doesn't mean they can't be a problem in various spheres (particularly if they spot certain trends).
Nobody look at his eyes, he's trying to recruit you into the cartel to be a slave. But in all seriousness, some of Dinsdale's concerns re the subordination of individual playstyles to large group mechanics I agree with in spirit. We can be wage slaves IRL, ingame we can be independent if we want, and that choice should be preserved to a degree.
The point he misses is that if we choose to play as independents we have to accept the risk resides exclusively with us and be prepared to take it, otherwise our activities are less profitable/effiicient. As an enterprise solo ISK making is one of the purest forms of PVP ingame imo and should not be confused with mindless zombie farming. We're often fighting/competing with blocs or individuals with vast reserves we can't see or predict. Which is fine by me v0v
Tippia wrote:On the one hand, they're evil and clever enough to subvert an entire game company with the intention of running it into the ground, and on the other hand, they apparently can't do simple maths. This argument also assumes the rest of us are gormless morons, the battle is already lost, so the only counter is to whine to CCP about how unfair it is. That we are collectively stupid, lazy, disorganised and cowardly. And we're doomed. *Snore* Funny how the rest of us who are prepared to fight - have always been fighting at various levels - are unconcerned. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9631
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:19:00 -
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You're not the problem, then. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1539
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:51:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Aryth wrote:Finding a new crop of Cabal members is exactly why I do it. However, based on the insane amount of mechanics and market knowledge it requires they are special unicorns rarer than FCs. At scale you tend to only manipulate the largest markets in EVE because nothing else holds your own wealth much less the other hundreds of people following you in the market.
It isn't so much individuals who have wealth that matter as they don't impact the galaxy. Its the guys steering hundreds of producers, marketeers, investors at a time that do. Fair play, but despite enjoying a degree of collaboration some of us do genuinely treat this side of the game as one of wits, luck and strategy and prefer to do so without interference. It's one of the few areas you can carve a niche in solo. There are always upsides to collaboration, but the point for some of us is to win or lose based upon our own choices, and being spoonfed can dilute that experience. Galaxy wide manips and control are fine and I've no doubt awesome, but it's a second job involving a lot of people. In some ways it's less rewarding than discovering things for yourself and nipping in to harvest quietly. Niche markets are still out there with only a handful of players you can either collaborate with or terrorise. In a hyper-capitalist universe I'd be wary of assuming major nullsec blocs can completely dominate individuals with equal wealth/expertise across the entire market. Just because individual players don't deliberately act as a unit doesn't mean they can't be a problem in various spheres (particularly if they spot certain trends). Nobody look at his eyes, he's trying to recruit you into the cartel to be a slave. But in all seriousness, some of Dinsdale's concerns re the subordination of individual playstyles to large group mechanics I agree with in spirit. We can be wage slaves IRL, ingame we can be independent if we want, and that choice should be preserved to a degree. The point he misses is that if we choose to play as independents we have to accept the risk resides exclusively with us and be prepared to take it, otherwise our activities are less profitable/effiicient. As an enterprise solo ISK making is one of the purest forms of PVP ingame imo and should not be confused with mindless zombie farming. We're often fighting/competing with blocs or individuals with vast reserves we can't see or predict. Which is fine by me v0v Tippia wrote:On the one hand, they're evil and clever enough to subvert an entire game company with the intention of running it into the ground, and on the other hand, they apparently can't do simple maths. This argument also assumes the rest of us are gormless morons, the battle is already lost, so the only counter is to whine to CCP about how unfair it is. That we are collectively stupid, lazy, disorganised and cowardly. And we're doomed. *Snore* Funny how the rest of us who are prepared to fight - have always been fighting at various levels - are unconcerned.
I am not suggesting there aren't niches at all. However, any market we go into we are going in with some advantage the "little guy" isn't going to have. Niche gameplay is how I got my start so I remember quite well how much fun it was for me at that time. Unfortunately those things don't scale. The things that do scale? There Be Dragons Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7323
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:56:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Aryth wrote:The fact we are some of the largest producers in high-sec adds to the irony. I wasn't aware of this part, I knew that you produced stuff in highsec, just not the scale of your operations. one build system was an anomolously huge dot on one "where things are built" map Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1539
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:59:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Aryth wrote:The fact we are some of the largest producers in high-sec adds to the irony. I wasn't aware of this part, I knew that you produced stuff in highsec, just not the scale of your operations. one build system was an anomolously huge dot on one "where things are built" map
Now just that. But based on the # we knew we were a non-trivial part of that dot. Trillions churned in that system. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
280
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:15:00 -
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Aryth wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Aryth wrote:The fact we are some of the largest producers in high-sec adds to the irony. I wasn't aware of this part, I knew that you produced stuff in highsec, just not the scale of your operations. one build system was an anomolously huge dot on one "where things are built" map Now just that. But based on the # we knew we were a non-trivial part of that dot. Trillions churned in that system.
Are we secretly neighbors? |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
387
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:39:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Aryth wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Aryth wrote:The fact we are some of the largest producers in high-sec adds to the irony. I wasn't aware of this part, I knew that you produced stuff in highsec, just not the scale of your operations. one build system was an anomolously huge dot on one "where things are built" map Now just that. But based on the # we knew we were a non-trivial part of that dot. Trillions churned in that system. Are we secretly neighbors? probably |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
466
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:43:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: 10 years of growth contradicts every one that has ever said that.
Concurrency numbers dispute that 'ten years of growth'. Unless there are an ever increasing number of paying subs that never log in. |
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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
281
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:44:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:[
Are we secretly neighbors? probably
Does the system start with a M, and is it 1 jump from jita |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1539
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:06:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:[
Are we secretly neighbors? probably Does the system start with a M, and is it 1 jump from jita
It does indeed. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2645
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Posted - 2014.05.09 04:11:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Dave Stark wrote: 10 years of growth contradicts every one that has ever said that.
Concurrency numbers dispute that 'ten years of growth'. Unless there are an ever increasing number of paying subs that never log in.
Supercap/cap alt numbers tend to grow and not log in unless there is a thing to do. So yeah actually this is happening. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2963
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Posted - 2014.05.09 05:10:00 -
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So, now that Dolan is history, what is the over / under on the CSM results? Saturday, Sunday, June, October?
I can see now why they have not been released. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10730
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Posted - 2014.05.09 09:08:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:So, now that Dolan is history, what is the over / under on the CSM results? Saturday, Sunday, June, October?
I can see now why they have not been released.
holy **** you said something reasonable Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Dave Stark
5407
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Posted - 2014.05.09 11:03:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Dave Stark wrote: 10 years of growth contradicts every one that has ever said that.
Concurrency numbers dispute that 'ten years of growth'. Unless there are an ever increasing number of paying subs that never log in.
of course there is; look at dr E's presentation at fanfest. you can quite clearly see that more supercaps are being produced than destroyed. as far as i'm aware, people don't log in and ship spin with those. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
471
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Posted - 2014.05.09 13:39:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote: of course there is; look at dr E's presentation at fanfest. you can quite clearly see that more supercaps are being produced than destroyed. as far as i'm aware, people don't log in and ship spin with those.
That's based on the assumption that every supercap produced is using either a cap alt or a cyno alt instead of being stored as a war reserve at POS. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2261
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Posted - 2014.05.09 13:44:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Dave Stark wrote: of course there is; look at dr E's presentation at fanfest. you can quite clearly see that more supercaps are being produced than destroyed. as far as i'm aware, people don't log in and ship spin with those.
That's based on the assumption that every supercap produced is using either a cap alt or a cyno alt instead of being stored as a war reserve at POS.
A clear demonstration of how little you know about how the game works. I don't think I could have done a better job showing it than you just did yourself. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
184
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:10:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:So, now that Dolan is history, what is the over / under on the CSM results? Saturday, Sunday, June, October?
My money is on never.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1806
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:31:00 -
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I know something you don't know, I know something you don't know...
:) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
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