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Crasniya
Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement
529
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Posted - 2014.05.04 01:38:00 -
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...capsuleers might have some idea what CCP just did to their players.
I hope EVE players take the appropriate tone when they talk about Legion. While some of us in DUST will survive the transition over to Legion, you should be really and truly ashamed of the company you pay monthly subs to. They demonstrated a callous disrespect for the entire player community this weekend. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
672
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Posted - 2014.05.04 01:52:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
Also HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAhAHAHAHHAHAHA................
No, seriously, I loled.
Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
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Maichin Civire
Ultramar Independent Contracting Advanced Amateurs
14
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Posted - 2014.05.04 08:01:00 -
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Poor bunnies, you still forget about one, quite little thing...
Dust was originally f2p with microtranscation options. It NEVER was main stream of money for CCP. EVE is the game where they are getting money from subs, occasionaly from PLEXes, and everynone is happy. You were playing on dead generation of console and now everyone is crying... Don't you forget, NO ONE ever forced you to pay microtransactions. We're paying CCP for upkeeping their studio - we're getting most updates... Stop crying - HTFU!
On the other hand, we're getting Legion on PC. Maybe I won't be 100% subscriber, but I can definietly try it. There is no good FPS on PC this time (yes, Planetside sucks - told ya!).
BTW Contract me your stuff. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1180
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Posted - 2014.05.04 08:58:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:...capsuleers might have some idea what CCP just did to their players.
or not , you know, because its coming to a better platform, not a worse one. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á sig by Doc Fury -¬ 2014 Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Nlex
Domini Canium
36
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Posted - 2014.05.04 09:23:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Crasniya wrote:...capsuleers might have some idea what CCP just did to their players.
or not , you know, because its coming to a better platform, not a worse one. I saw nothing about it being released on PS4. |
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
720
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Posted - 2014.05.04 11:20:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:...capsuleers might have some idea what CCP just did to their players. Whaaawhaaawhaaaambulance.
Crasniya wrote:I hope EVE players take the appropriate tone when they talk about Legion. While some of us in DUST will survive the transition over to Legion, you should be really and truly ashamed of the company you pay monthly subs to. They demonstrated a callous disrespect for the entire player community this weekend. Mistreating console peasants is as noteworthy to the PC gaming master race as stepping on ants. We feel quite respected by CCP using the PS3 as a beta testing platform to improve Legion before it hits PC's.
Coreli Corporation: Small gang PVP & Drug Production, Apply now! |
Silence Iganku
Miners Buster
6
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Posted - 2014.05.04 11:59:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:...capsuleers might have some idea what CCP just did to their players.
I hope EVE players take the appropriate tone when they talk about Legion. While some of us in DUST will survive the transition over to Legion, you should be really and truly ashamed of the company you pay monthly subs to. They demonstrated a callous disrespect for the entire player community this weekend.
You are right i unsubscribed my account and i will leave eve as soon as the account time will end. i not trust anymore for what the future will bring to eve/dust/legion |
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
720
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Posted - 2014.05.04 12:56:00 -
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Silence Iganku wrote:Crasniya wrote:...capsuleers might have some idea what CCP just did to their players.
I hope EVE players take the appropriate tone when they talk about Legion. While some of us in DUST will survive the transition over to Legion, you should be really and truly ashamed of the company you pay monthly subs to. They demonstrated a callous disrespect for the entire player community this weekend. You are right i unsubscribed my account and i will leave eve as soon as the account time will end. i not trust anymore for what the future will bring to eve/dust/legion Can i have your stuff to continue the good fight against CCP's immortality? GûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæ NPC Null-sec PVP GûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæ Drug Production GûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûêGûêGûêGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûêGûÇGûÇGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûêGûæ Alliance wide ship SRP GûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûæGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûäGûæGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûæGûêGûêGûêGûêGûæGûæGûêGûæ Serpentis Loyalists |
Tetania
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2014.05.04 13:53:00 -
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You Dust guys are really not very bright.
Think about the round table, go back and watch the Q&A for the Dust progression panel.
It's not a done deal, the PC stuff was a tech demo there is no product or platform choice there yet.
But they gave you the info you need. "PC Platform" JC explicitly compares how similar to PCs PS4 and Xbone are. That is your answer for now.
CCP can't say it's coming out for PS4 as there is a platform holder there. Sony might say no. There is no product to sign a deal over yet and by the sound of it there wont be for a while so no one can tell you it will be released until lawyers get involved. They can say it will run on the PC because no one controls what a developer can release on a PC, CCP self publish eve and they will be able to do that with Valkyrie and whatever comes from Legion.
Legion is clearly a new Dust implementation and Engine free of the resource limitations of PS3. That's what we got told at fanfest. The platforms it releases on will determine it's total available market. There will be a lot of PS4s out there in 2-3 years. |
mkint
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Posted - 2014.05.04 15:33:00 -
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If they moved EVE over to a console, I'd stop playing. The game would die because of the change, and I'd feel pretty good about that, because that would demonstrate at least an illusion of a fair and just universe. I would shrug and do something else. I probably wouldn't get anything done for a couple hours while I try to stop laughing.
Dust isn't EVE. It never has been. It's never even really been a part of EVE, at least not in a way that matters. I haven't checked today's numbers (eve-offline.net), but yesterday's showed that interest and participation in dust yesterday was pretty much the same as ever. Compare the numbers to what happened after Incarna in EVE where it almost killed off the franchise, and the devs had to fire 1/3 of their employees to stay afloat. I'd have been more pissed off as a dust player that I'd have been considered a burden to the universe, rather than being a meaningful part of it.
@Tetania: they did specifically say their focus will initially be on PC. They won't be looking into porting it until the PC version is feature complete. Of course, that's not a contract either, but it would be the best course of action either way. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
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Locii
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
29
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Posted - 2014.05.04 16:35:00 -
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it should have been on the pc to start with.
this is a good move for the game and ccp. |
Dux Bellorum
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2014.05.04 16:38:00 -
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Locii wrote:it should have been on the pc to start with.
this is a good move for the game and ccp.
yup |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
481
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Posted - 2014.05.04 19:06:00 -
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I said this a few times already:
did ccp mess up with how they went about with this? yes
besides that i agree with everything else. Dust needs to go to pc, be a meaningful part of the eve universe, and this way they can update all three games as they see fit. and have better control over them. Legion does;t need to go to console. it should be a subscription fee that is added to eve, play eve, legion and valk for $20 a month or something. |
Thead Enco
47th Ronin
169
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:29:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:...capsuleers might have some idea what CCP just did to their players.
I hope EVE players take the appropriate tone when they talk about Legion. While some of us in DUST will survive the transition over to Legion, you should be really and truly ashamed of the company you pay monthly subs to. They demonstrated a callous disrespect for the entire player community this weekend.
Cry harder, it's your own damn fault for investing money in a game on a platform towards the end of it's lifespan
-á"A Lannister always pays his debts."
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1214
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Posted - 2014.05.05 12:43:00 -
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Nlex wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Crasniya wrote:...capsuleers might have some idea what CCP just did to their players.
or not , you know, because its coming to a better platform, not a worse one. I saw nothing about it being released on PS4. oh my. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á Soylent Green Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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Droidyk
Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven
56
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:41:00 -
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Crasniya wrote:...capsuleers might have some idea what CCP just did to their players.
I hope EVE players take the appropriate tone when they talk about Legion. While some of us in DUST will survive the transition over to Legion, you should be really and truly ashamed of the company you pay monthly subs to. They demonstrated a callous disrespect for the entire player community this weekend.
The problem is, EVE will never need to be moved to a console. On the contrary there are reasons why dust needs to be moved to PC. You see the point ? That is what console players don't realize atm. Dust is struggling in every way, they have hard time already optimizing the performance as it is today. It only makes sense. The thing is they did not betray anyone. People's own false facts betray themselves ... dust would never become anything close to what EVE is today if continued primarily on a console. More so what Dust and EVE will become. |
Droidyk
Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven
56
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:48:00 -
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mkint wrote:If they moved EVE over to a console, I'd stop playing. The game would die because of the change, and I'd feel pretty good about that, because that would demonstrate at least an illusion of a fair and just universe. I would shrug and do something else. I probably wouldn't get anything done for a couple hours while I try to stop laughing.
Dust isn't EVE. It never has been. It's never even really been a part of EVE, at least not in a way that matters. I haven't checked today's numbers (eve-offline.net), but yesterday's showed that interest and participation in dust yesterday was pretty much the same as ever. Compare the numbers to what happened after Incarna in EVE where it almost killed off the franchise, and the devs had to fire 1/3 of their employees to stay afloat. I'd have been more pissed off as a dust player that I'd have been considered a burden to the universe, rather than being a meaningful part of it.
@Tetania: they did specifically say their focus will initially be on PC. They won't be looking into porting it until the PC version is feature complete. Of course, that's not a contract either, but it would be the best course of action either way.
The thing is, there would never ever be a real reason to move EVE from PC to a console... Dust was moved to PC because of a real reasons in the first place... not because of some bad idea that some console players like to think, that they were betrayed or whatever. It haven't been part of EVE Universe from just a simple fact, that it was on a console, therefore had to be moved to PC. |
Droidyk
Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven
56
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Posted - 2014.05.05 13:53:00 -
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Tetania wrote:You Dust guys are really not very bright.
Think about the round table, go back and watch the Q&A for the Dust progression panel.
It's not a done deal, the PC stuff was a tech demo there is no product or platform choice there yet.
But they gave you the info you need. "PC Platform" JC explicitly compares how similar to PCs PS4 and Xbone are. That is your answer for now.
CCP can't say it's coming out for PS4 as there is a platform holder there. Sony might say no. There is no product to sign a deal over yet and by the sound of it there wont be for a while so no one can tell you it will be released until lawyers get involved. They can say it will run on the PC because no one controls what a developer can release on a PC, CCP self publish eve and they will be able to do that with Valkyrie and whatever comes from Legion.
Legion is clearly a new Dust implementation and Engine free of the resource limitations of PS3. That's what we got told at fanfest. The platforms it releases on will determine it's total available market. There will be a lot of PS4s out there in 2-3 years.
Yea, problem is PS4 would eventually bring limitations as well, which would limit what they can do on a PC side.. again. They don't want this to happen again as it happened with Dust, as it slowly became a crutch, because of a console, that has been limiting everything from the start, especially the real vision, not just vision for Dust but for entire EVE Universe. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1536
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:01:00 -
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Also, don't forget, that all your in-game assets and skills get deleted in the transition to XBox One. Nyan |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1432
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:03:00 -
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EVE is on PC and we play this game for 11 years now! Where are your 11 year old consoles? When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues.
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xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
99
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Posted - 2014.05.06 02:32:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:EVE is on PC and we play this game for 11 years now! Where are your 11 year old consoles?
Just as easy to ask where is your 11 year old PC? Face facts eve's system requirements has expanded since then. I agree most consoles will be limited. They have a shelf life of about 5 years before they need to be replaced. That being said its not like they couldnt attempt to overhall and port it over in that time frame.
The real issue is what fps is still alive 5-10 years after release? Legion is going to have to be fully intergrated to matter and survive that long. |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
203
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:23:00 -
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xPredat0rz wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:EVE is on PC and we play this game for 11 years now! Where are your 11 year old consoles? Just as easy to ask where is your 11 year old PC? Face facts eve's system requirements has expanded since then. I agree most consoles will be limited. They have a shelf life of about 5 years before they need to be replaced. That being said its not like they couldnt attempt to overhall and port it over in that time frame. The real issue is what fps is still alive 5-10 years after release? Legion is going to have to be fully intergrated to matter and survive that long.
That 11 year old PC can still play EVE with a ~50$ upgrade for a new GFX card. EVE is not particularly demanding game you know ;)
Besides, putting Dust on console in the first place was a mistake. All that potential castrated by hardware limitations. Also, DUST will be on PS3 for a little while more. Just will not get those features it's hardware cant take. I mean c'mon even my phone has more RAM than that thing. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1555
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:38:00 -
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Carniflex wrote:That 11 year old PC can still play EVE with a ~50$ upgrade for a new GFX card. EVE is not particularly demanding game you know ;)
Besides, putting Dust on console in the first place was a mistake. All that potential castrated by hardware limitations. Also, DUST will be on PS3 for a little while more. Just will not get those features it's hardware cant take. I mean c'mon even my phone has more RAM than that thing. If you replace all the components one by one over the years, is it the same machine? Nyan |
xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
99
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:06:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Carniflex wrote:That 11 year old PC can still play EVE with a ~50$ upgrade for a new GFX card. EVE is not particularly demanding game you know ;)
Besides, putting Dust on console in the first place was a mistake. All that potential castrated by hardware limitations. Also, DUST will be on PS3 for a little while more. Just will not get those features it's hardware cant take. I mean c'mon even my phone has more RAM than that thing. If you replace all the components one by one over the years, is it the same machine?
Sure you can run 1 client of eve on a 11 year old computer with everything turned down or off. Is that still running the game?
If your running 3-4 clients you need a bigger rig. Also yes you can continue to upgrade your computer. If you take your stock computer and double its ram replace the motherboard and cpu with the newest best one you can afford its no longer the same computer. Its just the same case.
Yes consoles dont get that. they are by design a 5-7 year model. They dont want you to be able to do better because they lose money on you not getting the newest greatest thing. I wouldnt be suprised if Legion ends up on the PS4 as well as the PC.
Dust users already proved they would throw money at the game. |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
203
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:19:00 -
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xPredat0rz wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Carniflex wrote:That 11 year old PC can still play EVE with a ~50$ upgrade for a new GFX card. EVE is not particularly demanding game you know ;)
Besides, putting Dust on console in the first place was a mistake. All that potential castrated by hardware limitations. Also, DUST will be on PS3 for a little while more. Just will not get those features it's hardware cant take. I mean c'mon even my phone has more RAM than that thing. If you replace all the components one by one over the years, is it the same machine? Sure you can run 1 client of eve on a 11 year old computer with everything turned down or off. Is that still running the game? If your running 3-4 clients you need a bigger rig. Also yes you can continue to upgrade your computer. If you take your stock computer and double its ram replace the motherboard and cpu with the newest best one you can afford its no longer the same computer. Its just the same case. Yes consoles dont get that. they are by design a 5-7 year model. They dont want you to be able to do better because they lose money on you not getting the newest greatest thing. I wouldnt be suprised if Legion ends up on the PS4 as well as the PC. Dust users already proved they would throw money at the game.
EVE is a 1 Hz game ;) And it can be surprising how much clients one can run on modest hardware. I remember my purprise when my previous rig was able to pull off 10 clients at pretty decent frame rate - and that was with just a single 5770 as a GFX card.
EVE is anyway just spreadsheets in space and GFX is overrated :D - ofc it looks graphically amazing you you really put it full screen on a single client, sit back and marvel at it but who got time for that.
Anyway - I would not be surprised if that Legion thing would be indeed available also on PS4. It is architecturally similar enough to PC so porting should not be too bad (considering UT4 engine is also on PS4) and atm it's specs wise in the upper end of "average" PC people play on. If Steam HW survey would be giving more or less accurate cross section of "gaming PC" on the market. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Corbin Jones
Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad.
0
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Posted - 2014.05.06 12:04:00 -
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what i think bothered a lot of people was the fact that for the past few months ccp was promoting in game events that encouraged the playerbase to invest heavily into boosters- the equivalent to a subscription.
players spent a lot of real money investing into a game that they thought would stick around. that's what ccp, or at least the old team had told them.
at the same time ccp had told the cpm for dust of what they'd planned and made no attempt to inform the playerbase of what was to come at fanfest. even inviting the playerbase to fanfest, players that only played dust.
yeah, we all know this **** should have been released on pc and we knew it was doing bad. but those dust bunnys had hope, they stuck to the game and they were loyal to the developers.
ccp should have been more transparent. a lot of people feel betrayed and ripped off (even getting charge backs thru sony). that's great that they're going to move forward with dusts future, but the way they did it was the problem.
ps: this isn't me being butthurt or anything. i spent 10$ in three months on dust and that was mostly to use whatever little aurum i had left. the game didnt feel worth it to me, and i'd be happy to hear about the legion news under normal circumstances, but the way they did it made me lose interest. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1475
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:08:00 -
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I see that few people are able to understand how PC architecture shapes gaming and why is it different from console gaming.
First, PC is synonymous with compatibility, when consoles have changed radically and that is the reason why console gaming suck, there is just too big gap between console hardware for games like EVE and DUST, when you want to update your game over the years and PS3 was a terribad choice. You know it now, sooner or later you would know. CCP is not EA. They were struggling to produce one game for a 7 years. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues.
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Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
20
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:10:00 -
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Corbin Jones wrote:ps: this isn't me being butthurt or anything. i spent 10$ in three months on dust and that was mostly to use whatever little aurum i had left. the game didnt feel worth it to me, and i'd be happy to hear about the legion news under normal circumstances, but the way they did it made me lose interest.
Gotto love the Eve fanbois that think Dusters are crying about other stuff.
Word from the FF is that CCP didnt have any plans for Dust for a long time and yet they promoted the AUR events.
Looks like they are running low on VCs and needed player funding ! |
Archibald Liberty Killmore
Toodles McGiggityGoo and Friends
20
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:13:00 -
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Ai Caramba!
Bagrat Skalski wrote:First, PC is synonymous with compatibility.
PCs are synonymous with flexibility and scalabity. Not compatibility.
Bagrat Skalski wrote: when consoles have changed radically
Consoles dont change radically. Where did you get that from? Consoles are dedicated machines meant to perform only a certain set of fucntions and are optimized for that.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1475
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:03:00 -
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Archibald Liberty Killmore wrote:Ai Caramba! Bagrat Skalski wrote:First, PC is synonymous with compatibility. PCs are synonymous with flexibility and scalabity. Not compatibility.
So why I can play software that was developed 11 year ago on a machine that is one year old? PC is compatible backward and forward, because you have x86 and x86-64 architecture, operating systems that use the same processors and can emulate one enother, and you have a set of rules, that people who are making consoles did not care about and PS3 is a great example of that.
Archibald Liberty Killmore wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote: when consoles have changed radically Consoles dont change radically. Where did you get that from? Consoles are dedicated machines meant to perform only a certain set of fucntions and are optimized for that.
So their hardware is specialized, so much that you can't get scalability, flexibility and backward compatibility. Too bad. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues.
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