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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
377
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Posted - 2014.05.05 22:30:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I have no suggestions about how you might do that. If I did, I'd have suggested it to someone like Anslo already.
Direct people to their Galnet site. It speaks volumes about their hypocrisy, especially after listening to them in local. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1057
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:02:00 -
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Brian Harrelstein wrote:occasionally we'll see random people pop up and complain that they suck ?...
Brian Harrelstein wrote: So, what I would like to propose is the following: No more mining, and no more ship manufacturing. For at least three months.
From which of moons did you fall? I need my ships!
Continue in that direction, and I'll make sure you will taste my antimatter. |
Myxx
733
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Posted - 2014.05.06 08:09:00 -
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Brian Harrelstein wrote:So I'm sure we all know about CODE and their ganking operations by now, and occasionally we'll see random people pop up and complain that they suck, etc. Some have even (unsuccessfully) taken up arms in an attempt to stop their harassment.
I would like to issue a proposal to all capsuleers of New Eden. It's probably nothing new, but I'd like to see the public's responses anyways.
So, what I would like to propose is the following: No more mining, and no more ship manufacturing. For at least three months. Everywhere.
I know that to some of the large alliances that this may seem impossible due to pre-existing wars, but I would like to crash the economy to make a point. Some capsuleers have been privately funding CODE to continue their harassment in Lonetrek (amongst other places), and until they run out of ships and ISK, their actions will continue unabated.
If the entire population stops mining and building ships for 3 months, the current supply of ships and ore/minerals will plummet, prices will skyrocket, and it will eventually become unfeasible for these groups to operate. Combine that with the upcoming design changes to the industrial refining processors, and they won't be able to snatch up mineral-rich modules and melt those down to build ships either.
While I realize that what I am proposing is a larger scale than their current operations, the entire universe can use this opportunity to make a stand and prove to "Concord" that we are tired of CODE's actions. "Concord" has always taken the stance that if something bothers capsuleers enough, that we will rally together and eliminate the bothersome entities, without their intervention.
As I understand, CODE has been operating for over a year at this point (if not longer). We obviously can't eliminate CODE as it currently stands today because of their wealthy benefactors, and this could possibly be our only solution. I know it would be hard work, and require the dedication of capsuleers from every corner of New Eden, but I honestly think we could do it if we all buckled down and do what needs to be done.
I would like to propose that this action be taken immediately, until such a time that it becomes extremely cost-prohibitive to replace a ship that CODE would otherwise lose to Concord. Any delay will allow CODE to stockpile ships, materials and ISK required to allow them to continue operating.
I don't believe that you fully understand the magnitude of the global market and why exactly this would never happen. the production group I am apart of currently has 60+ different builds going on at any one point in time. That isn't even counting component builds.
And that is a rather small production chain by comparison.
Do you honestly expect all of us to stop doing what we are doing?
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Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
57
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Posted - 2014.05.06 13:58:00 -
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lol brilliant idea. %) |
DutchGunner
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
103
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Posted - 2014.05.10 17:56:00 -
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It is an interesting concept but one that will not work due to simple economics.
Even if most industrial capsuleers would suspend their activity, there are still the empires and non-capsuleer corporations that are industrially active. The drop in supply would have an effect ofcourse. But as the demand stays the same and the supply drops, prices will rise and it becomes lucrative to take up industry again. There can be a stall or small temporal effect, but that's about it. We capsuleers may have ascended to a new state of being but there are still plenty of rules that apply to us and affect our choices and actions.
Regards,
DutchGunner CONCORD Loyalist
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Ashlar Maidstone
ImaNicePirate.com Real Alliance Such Relevance
69
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Posted - 2014.05.14 06:46:00 -
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Pilot Harrelstein;
While much has been revealed about CODE, it is at best that we, I mean WE the honest to goodness capsuleers that struggles everyday to mine ores of all shapes and sizes, and then to refine or reprocess that raw material to the minerals we need in our production chains.
It is true however that the tactics used by CODE is making the work of the industry capsuleers much more difficult and dangerous as well. While my corp is not in any great danger tho, I had to cut back operations to a point of just barely getting by and have resorted to ratting or mission running to supplement my normal income, this is a very difficult time indeed.
I have even suspended manufactoring jobs until such times that I can place my orders to begin producing the products I need, and it's very difficult in that department as well.
Again, calling on the industrialists thru out New Eden to come together for a show down against CODE will be a rather lengthy process of contacting the various corps and alliances thru diplomatic means to ensure if and when. And even then through channels that are publicly available to all. |
Chinwe Rhei
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2014.05.14 09:40:00 -
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There is no need to stop production surely.
What you need to do as an industrialist opposing the CODE is stop selling on the public market. At all. Forever. You can buy all you want, but you should never sell.
For an industrialist trading and accumulating isk is pretty useless, so stop it !. You have the fairly large initial BPO isk costs granted, but those are one-off purchases. Other then that station operating costs are pretty small, and whatever isk you really need can be gathered doing odd jobs for the government or through *cough*insurance fraud*cough*.
Ah i hear you say, what about all the materials i need that i don't gather, how do i get them if i don't have any isk ? Well you can't get them on your own, but you can get them if you organize with other like minded industrialists. Form a cartel, network, set standings and trade agreements. Barter. Use the contracts and the in-station trading and trade whatever you produce for whatever it is you need. Heck you can use the good old trit as a unit of industrial currency if you need to reference prices.
There is a big opportunity here for someone to set up a big barter market where isk is laughed at yet producers can get everything they need.
If enough industrialists refuse to sell on the public market you can strangle isk prices and destroy the purchase power of the combat pilots that harass you and who, having failed in their duty to protect you really are completly useless to you, even as clients. This without affecting your own and your organisation's ability to maintain their ships and infranstrucutre too much. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
468
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Posted - 2014.05.14 10:02:00 -
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Hahahaaahahaha!
Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
420
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Posted - 2014.05.14 11:30:00 -
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This reminds me of that old anecdote I've heard somewhere on Doril II:
A Republican PM complains to lord Ardishapur: "What have you done on Arzad? There is no more Starkmanir!" Ardishapur shrugs: "There is no more unethical treatment of Starkmanir either."
I'm really glad you're not a doctor, Mr. Harrelstein, because according to you, the best cure for a malady would be terminating the patient.
Humour aside, I'd advise reading a few books on basics of economy and going back to the drawing board. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2490
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Posted - 2014.05.18 02:32:00 -
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For what it's worth, I boycotted building Catalysts a long, long time ago. I've never seen a bumptard flying an Amarrian ship design, either, so I feel no reason to stop manufacturing.
The stuff the bumptards use is very limited in scope, maybe three hull designs and half a dozen weapon systems. Just stop building those particular items and keep on making your other stuff as before. http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0 |
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
492
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Posted - 2014.05.18 06:56:00 -
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I'm sure they're utterly incapable of adjusting to different vessels or tactics. I mean, you only have to stop building destroyers, some battlecruisers, any battleship that can fit smartbombs....
Yeah, that's a great plan.
I mean, taking some responsibility for yourself, your ship and your crew by keep an eye on local, d-scan and the overview would just be ludicrous, am I right? Back in the day, I lost a Retriever. Once. I'd decided not to watch the skies. After that, many tried and all failed simply because I decided not to shut my damned brain off.
If you want a plan, tank a damned skiff or just pay some attention and you'll deprive any hostiles of a kill.
I swear, the belt huggers have the least survival instinct and willingness to put in an effort of all in New Eden. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1079
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Posted - 2014.05.18 08:33:00 -
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Enough already!
Are you really discussing to stop production of MILITARY SHIPS, because of a couple of incompetent criminal jerks harassing your mining departments?!
Down with this sort of panic and incompetence.
If your miners are attacked in... high security space? (I think it is where these puny troublemakers operate) - you just put an instalocking naga in a belt, where your operation is under way and blow up any smart ass, that is stupid enough to aggress on your miner, even before CONCORD arrives. You can even put instalocking cormorant nearby to catch pilots of these "gank ships", and skewer these incompetent bodies on railgun slugs.
This is how Caldari must act. Swiftly and with professionalism. Leave boycotts and protests to subhumans like gallenteans. |
Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
600
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Posted - 2014.05.18 17:21:00 -
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Maybe people should stop relying on CONCORD for protection. I heard the Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere offers lucrative mining space where you don't even need to worry about losses - by the end of the day, you always make profit. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |
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