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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
3404
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:05:00 -
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Hello people,
As mentioned during the various Fanfest panels and round tables, I'm going to list here the various changes planned to Starbases for Summer that are being discussed on the Building Better Worlds Blog feedback.
First, regarding Assembly Arrays:
- We are giving all assembly arrays a 2% material reduction to manufactured products (except for the Supercapital Assembly Array, since there is no station competition when building super capital ships).
- Advanced Assembly arrays no longer 10% have material waste. They now all have 2% material reduction like their regular counterparts.
- X-Large Assembly Array is being renamed Capital Assembly Array to better reflect what it actually does.
- Capital Assembly Array is being renamed Supercapital Assembly Array for the same reasons.
We are planning to increase cargo capacity on the following Assembly Arrays:
- Corporate Hangar Arrays: from 1,400,000 m3 to 3,000,000 m3.
- Ammunition Assembly Array: from 150,000 m3 to 1,000,000 m3.
- Component Assembly Array: from 1,000,000 m3 to 1,500,000 m3.
- Drone Assembly Array: from 150,000 m3 to 1,000,000 m3.
- Equipment Assembly Array: from 500,000 m3 to 1,000,000 m3.
- Rapid Equipment Assembly Array: from 500,000 m3 to 1,000,000 m3.
Then, laboratories:
Mobile labs: Time multiplier for Research ME: 0.7 (was 0.75). Time multiplier for Research TE: 0.7 (was 0.75). Time multiplier for copying: 0.7 (was 0.75). Time multiplier for invention: 0.45 (was 0.5).
Advanced Mobile labs: Time multiplier for Research ME: 0.75 (was 0.75). Time multiplier for copying: 0.6 (was 0.65). Time multiplier for invention: 0.5 (was 0.5).
Hyasyoda mobile labs: Time multiplier for Research ME: 0.65 (was 0.75). Time multiplier for Research TE: 0.65 (was 0.75). Time multiplier for invention: 0.45 (was 0.5). |
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Rabbit P
Nuwa Foundation Fraternity.
10
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:10:00 -
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after announced the release in 3/6 is called Kronos, why the title of the thread is still [Summer 2014] Starbase tweaks , but not [Kronos] Starbase tweaks ?
because those changes still in early process and not sure will be deplon+Öed in 3/6 (Kronos) or 19/8 (Crius) ? |
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
621
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:11:00 -
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Why are the Advanced Mobile Labs slower at ME research and Invention than the standard mobile labs? Fleet Bookmarks New Gravimetric Sites Med Clones 2.0 |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
455
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:11:00 -
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EVE Buddy Invite - https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=047203f1-4124-42a1-b36f-39ca8ae5d6e2&action=buddy
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Seraphina Amaranth
Hedion University Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:13:00 -
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So is there any incentive to run more than one of each type of lab/array any more? |
Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
132
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:18:00 -
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These are all very good changes, however, let me reiterate the one thing that is almost universally wanted/requested, and that is....
MODULAR STARBASES!!
There was a thread created years back of this very idea, including CAD/3d models of what this would be like, and ever since, has probably been the most requested/wanted for starbases. Dear lord, please help me deal with the insufferable.... |
MasterMag
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:20:00 -
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I know you're also going to release a lowsec-only capital component construction array, but will it be able to stay competitive with stations after the increase in price you are forcing fuel blocks to go through? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7285
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:20:00 -
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Seraphina Amaranth wrote:So is there any incentive to run more than one of each type of lab/array any more? that you're using them as storage :v: Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7285
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:21:00 -
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Also Greyscale mentioned a lowsec-only component assembly array: any details on that? Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3169
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:25:00 -
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To copy over someone elses idea:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4552105#post4552105
It's an interesting looking one.
tl;dr:
Apply a reduction to the cost of all jobs stated in an array. Apply a penalty for every job started in an array.
So you get a 0.9 multiplier on cost for running at a pos, then a 1.01*number of active jobs in that structure. (if it knows that)
Means having multiple structures has a reasonable benefit. Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
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Marcus Iunius Brutus
NerdRage Inc.
31
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:29:00 -
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The strong point of an advanced lab used to be 3x more copy slots than mobile lab, with the slots gone I think it might need additional buff. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5777
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:31:00 -
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Wow. Interesting, to say the least. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Ulrich Cadalene
The Red Circle Inc.
14
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:33:00 -
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Are assembly arrays going to be keeping their base 0.75 manufacturing time multiplier? |
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
1250
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:37:00 -
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If you want people to make use of the advanced manufacturing arrays you need to give them more than one slot. They need the equivalent of their normal variants.
You don't build T2 ships one at a time, you build them by the dozen or more. Installing 20+ simultainious ship-building jobs is not a rare occurrence.
Edit: Also, 2% barely justifies the 600m isk/month cost a worthwhile POS takes to run IMO. Especially with infinite slots available in stations which are risk-free. |
SKINE DMZ
S U P R E M E - M A T H E M A T I C S A Band Apart.
463
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:43:00 -
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Awesome, little unrelated but some extra cargo and slots on the Personal Hanger Array would be nice I disagree
RAWR IM TOUGH |
Marcus Iunius Brutus
NerdRage Inc.
31
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:45:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:If you want people to make use of the advanced manufacturing arrays you need to give them more than one slot. They need the equivalent of their normal variants.
There are no more slots in assembly arrays, just like in stations... With current information small POS is all you need for large scale manufacturing.
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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
1250
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:49:00 -
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Marcus Iunius Brutus wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:If you want people to make use of the advanced manufacturing arrays you need to give them more than one slot. They need the equivalent of their normal variants. There are no more slots in assembly arrays, just like in stations... With current information small POS is all you need for large scale manufacturing.
That completely skipped my consideration. Good point. Thanks. |
Uncle Shrimpa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:49:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Hello people, As mentioned during the various Fanfest panels and round tables, I'm going to list here the various changes planned to Starbases for Summer that are being discussed on the Building Better Worlds Blog feedback. First, regarding Assembly Arrays:
- We are giving all assembly arrays a 2% material reduction to manufactured products (except for the Supercapital Assembly Array, since there is no station competition when building super capital ships).
- Advanced Assembly arrays no longer 10% have material waste. They now all have 2% material reduction like their regular counterparts.
- X-Large Assembly Array is being renamed Capital Assembly Array to better reflect what it actually does.
- Capital Assembly Array is being renamed Supercapital Assembly Array for the same reasons.
We are planning to increase cargo capacity on the following Assembly Arrays:
- Corporate Hangar Arrays: from 1,400,000 m3 to 3,000,000 m3.
- Ammunition Assembly Array: from 150,000 m3 to 1,000,000 m3.
- Component Assembly Array: from 1,000,000 m3 to 1,500,000 m3.
- Drone Assembly Array: from 150,000 m3 to 1,000,000 m3.
- Equipment Assembly Array: from 500,000 m3 to 1,000,000 m3.
- Rapid Equipment Assembly Array: from 500,000 m3 to 1,000,000 m3.
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Are we getting our supply management skill refunded?
1,500,000 m3 on a CAA means you can put on max 2 jobs before you have to travel to the array to play mineral Tetris
That is more like a KMA than help
CCP Greyscale -Yup, we have data on what happens currently, but we're expecting those use patterns to change substantially when this release. There's a degree of "suck it and see" happening here :)
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3169
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Posted - 2014.05.05 14:50:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:If you want people to make use of the advanced manufacturing arrays you need to give them more than one slot. They need the equivalent of their normal variants.
You don't build T2 ships one at a time, you build them by the dozen or more. Installing 20+ simultainious ship-building jobs is not a rare occurrence.
Edit: Also, 2% barely justifies the 600m isk/month cost a worthwhile POS takes to run IMO. Especially with infinite slots available in stations which are risk-free.
There are no slots any more. Right now, you can install as many jobs into one of these as you want to. Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
BadAssMcKill
ElitistOps
771
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:02:00 -
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Pos fix when . |
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
435
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:03:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote: Component Assembly Array: from 1,000,000 m3 to 1,500,000 m3. I don't think this is sufficient.
Is there any particular issue you are trying to avoid by keeping the storage on these arrays small? Wouldn't it be better just to make them big enough so that they aren't a massive pain to use?
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Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
215
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:04:00 -
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Nothing about a capital component lab so lowsec can build capitals that can compete with null?
I heard such a lab with a large ME bonus was planned? Or is capital production going to null for sure now? This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
Uncle Shrimpa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:05:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote: Component Assembly Array: from 1,000,000 m3 to 1,500,000 m3. I don't think this is sufficient. Is there any particular issue you are trying to avoid by keeping the storage on these arrays small? Wouldn't it be better just to make them big enough so that they aren't a massive pain to use?
ME0 Erebus with crappy component BP is right under 55,000,000m3. I suggest we start there !! CCP Greyscale -Yup, we have data on what happens currently, but we're expecting those use patterns to change substantially when this release. There's a degree of "suck it and see" happening here :)
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FFGR
November 17th Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:05:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote: We are giving all assembly arrays a 2% material reduction to manufactured products (except for the Supercapital Assembly Array, since there is no station competition when building super capital ships).
Rapid Equipment Assembly Array and Equipment Assembly Array will now have the same ME reduction, while Rapid will make products faster. |
Uncle Shrimpa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:06:00 -
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Plug in Baby wrote:Nothing about a capital component lab so lowsec can build capitals that can compete with null?
I heard such a lab with a large ME bonus was planned? Or is capital production going to null for sure now?
That will have a miner effect compared to the 10% mineral advantage null will have on lowsec, plus the 5% ME for the amarr stations CCP Greyscale -Yup, we have data on what happens currently, but we're expecting those use patterns to change substantially when this release. There's a degree of "suck it and see" happening here :)
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
435
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:11:00 -
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Uncle Shrimpa wrote:Bad Bobby wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote: Component Assembly Array: from 1,000,000 m3 to 1,500,000 m3. I don't think this is sufficient. Is there any particular issue you are trying to avoid by keeping the storage on these arrays small? Wouldn't it be better just to make them big enough so that they aren't a massive pain to use? ME0 Erebus with crappy component BP is right under 55,000,000m3. I suggest we start there !! You are going to love making that with 5 run BPCs. |
Bakuhz
Comando Imperiale Horny Empire
142
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:11:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Hello people, As mentioned during the various Fanfest panels and round tables, I'm going to list here the various changes planned to Starbases for Summer that are being discussed on the Building Better Worlds Blog feedback. First, regarding Assembly Arrays:
- We are giving all assembly arrays a 2% material reduction to manufactured products (except for the Supercapital Assembly Array, since there is no station competition when building super capital ships).
- Advanced Assembly arrays no longer 10% have material waste. They now all have 2% material reduction like their regular counterparts.
- X-Large Assembly Array is being renamed Capital Assembly Array to better reflect what it actually does.
- Capital Assembly Array is being renamed Supercapital Assembly Array for the same reasons.
We are planning to increase cargo capacity on the following Assembly Arrays:
- Corporate Hangar Arrays: from 1,400,000 m3 to 3,000,000 m3.
- Ammunition Assembly Array: from 150,000 m3 to 1,000,000 m3.
- Component Assembly Array: from 1,000,000 m3 to 1,500,000 m3.
- Drone Assembly Array: from 150,000 m3 to 1,000,000 m3.
- Equipment Assembly Array: from 500,000 m3 to 1,000,000 m3.
- Rapid Equipment Assembly Array: from 500,000 m3 to 1,000,000 m3.
Then, laboratories:Mobile labs: Time multiplier for Research ME: 0.7 (was 0.75). Time multiplier for Research TE: 0.7 (was 0.75). Time multiplier for copying: 0.7 (was 0.75). Time multiplier for invention: 0.45 (was 0.5). Advanced Mobile labs: Time multiplier for Research ME: 0.75 (was 0.75). Time multiplier for copying: 0.6 (was 0.65). Time multiplier for invention: 0.5 (was 0.5). Hyasyoda mobile labs: Time multiplier for Research ME: 0.65 (was 0.75). Time multiplier for Research TE: 0.65 (was 0.75). Time multiplier for invention: 0.45 (was 0.5).
So how about upscaling the ammount of slots in the labs aswell to compete with the no slots in station? if ownign a starbase and producing stuff within own resources we should get a bit more then those patetic amateur sized research and inventions slots now!!!!
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
489
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:13:00 -
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Has there been any internal discussion about how scaling costs will work in a POS that can be shared?
A reminder -- I had an excellent suggestion on how to scale the costs without murdering the server. tl;dr: count the total number of structures for the manufacturing type owned by your corp in the system and scale based on that.
Regarding component assembly arrays, if there is a limiting factor on their maximum size (pos fuel? T2 comps?) perhaps make a separate capital component array for building cap comps. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Uncle Shrimpa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:15:00 -
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Bakuhz wrote: So how about upscaling the ammount of slots in the labs aswell to compete with the no slots in station? if ownign a starbase and producing stuff within own resources we should get a bit more then those patetic amateur sized research and inventions slots now!!!!
They removed ALL slots
That means NOTHING has slots
Did I mention, NO SLOTS
NONE ON ANYTHING
NO MORE SLOTS CCP Greyscale -Yup, we have data on what happens currently, but we're expecting those use patterns to change substantially when this release. There's a degree of "suck it and see" happening here :)
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Borsek
A.A.A Trapped.
181
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Posted - 2014.05.05 15:17:00 -
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Swiftstrike1 wrote:Why are the Advanced Mobile Labs slower at ME research and Invention than the standard mobile labs?
Advanced labs are for mass copying, normal labs are for research and invention iirc. |
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