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Josephine Vera
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:31:00 -
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Just came back to eve for the summer changes. Was watching the streams and reading reports. Before starting, I am one of the original T2 BPO owners in 2003 but have since sold them over the years and now retired with most of my time in pvp
Found one that really stood out: http://themittani.com/news/fanfest-industry-panel-discussion
Apparently there was nothing worth noting by any CCP representative regarding t2 bpos in the stream but this site which is written by a Goon has been unusually enthusiastic in reporting about it and phrasing it in such a way that it will be removed soon. Their CSM representative was also looking forward to it very much
While looking through the forums, I noticed several characters posting with the intention of destabilizing T2 BPO prices on every T2 BPO thread. Examples:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=342071&find=unread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=342035&find=unread
Most of which can be traced to a Goon Main or used in a Goon scam before.
I was surprised as obviously the biggest losers in this T2 BPO removal would be Goons as it is no surprise that they hold some of the largest amounts of t2 bpos in existence. However, they seem extremely supportive of the removal BUT there has been no liquadation of t2 bpos done by Goons
It is obvious that their main intention is to scare the wider public into dumping their t2 bpos and buying up at dirt cheap prices while knowing that the removal of t2 bpos will likely never happen.
Thoughts? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
479
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Posted - 2014.05.05 16:35:00 -
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Josephine Vera wrote:
Thoughts?
Grr, Goons. |
Elmore Jones
Nebula II
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:27:00 -
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Well if you're daft enough to sell you t2 bpo's cheap on the basis of another players forum post, you deserve to get gooned :P
+++ Reality Error 404 - Reboot Cosmos +++ |
Haffsol
29
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:33:00 -
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Paranoia? Is just a word but for some people it's a problem. |
POS Guardian1
Saints Among Sinners Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:42:00 -
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This all crops up from the industry round table, where an audience member whines/cries that his recently bought T2 BOP is now worth 10bil less with the summer patch changes.
To which a dev responds saying that when buying T2 BPO's you have to take into account any future changes to the game that will affect the price - buyer beware and all that. He then continues to say that T2 BPOs are a problem and that they are working on a way to phase said problem out.
I took that to mean to slowly nerf T2 BPOs till they are no longer a problem and are no better than invention/T2 BPCs. So long term T2 BPOs are probably going in a meaningful sense. What was missing was the time scale, so could be a year could be five.
Risk/Reward |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
628
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Posted - 2014.05.05 17:56:00 -
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O Fortuna velut luna statu variabilis, semper crescis aut decrescis; vita detestabilis nunc obdurat et tunc curat ludo mentis aciem, egestatem, potestatem dissolvit ut glaciem.
Sors immanis et inanis, rota tu volubilis, status malus, vana salus semper dissolubilis, obumbrata et velata michi quoque niteris; nunc per ludum dorsum nudum fero tui sceleris.
Sors salutis et virtutis michi nunc contraria, est affectus et defectus semper in angaria. Hac in hora sine mora corde pulsum tangite; quod per sortem sternit fortem, mecum omnes plangite!
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
489
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:05:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:O Fortuna velut luna statu variabilis, semper crescis aut decrescis; vita detestabilis nunc obdurat et tunc curat ludo mentis aciem, egestatem, potestatem dissolvit ut glaciem.
Sors immanis et inanis, rota tu volubilis, status malus, vana salus semper dissolubilis, obumbrata et velata michi quoque niteris; nunc per ludum dorsum nudum fero tui sceleris.
Sors salutis et virtutis michi nunc contraria, est affectus et defectus semper in angaria. Hac in hora sine mora corde pulsum tangite; quod per sortem sternit fortem, mecum omnes plangite!
Overrated. In Taberna Quando Sumus is a much better piece. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
489
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:06:00 -
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In thread related news, one might remember that we were also on the forefront of the media push to get Technetium nerfed, despite being the game's largest holder of said moons at the time.
it's almost like we argue from a position of objective game balance instead of for what lines our pockets. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3560
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:29:00 -
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Thanks to the Goons I made ISK on Tc. However, I'd be a trillionaire several times over had I invested in Sn.
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1928
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:59:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Josephine Vera wrote:
Thoughts?
Grr, Goons.
This.
Even I don't like goonies, but seriously... Let it go. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
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xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
97
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Posted - 2014.05.06 01:53:00 -
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Long story short we have a history of pushing to balence things. Sometimes we have to abuse the **** out of something to get the point across(Tech, Drone Assist)
Think of it this way. The only reason most of said T2 BPOs exist is because they were gifted to BOB/IT by their pocket dev. Eventually they have to disappear. So if you go out and pay tens of billions of isk on something you may not see a return investment on thats on you the buyer.
Good example would be when High Sec carriers could be bought. The only way to get one their is either by reimbursement or if they were there before the changes. When carriers were 600m to build these high sec ones would sell for up to 10b isk just to have a carrier in high sec. Now you cant sell them and their value is hull cost when you move it to low/null. Those people got nothing special to reimburse them. You make stupid investments you suffer. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1328
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Posted - 2014.05.06 02:52:00 -
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Querns wrote:In thread related news, one might remember that we were also on the forefront of the media push to get Technetium nerfed, despite being the game's largest holder of said moons at the time.
it's almost like we argue from a position of objective game balance instead of for what lines our pockets. Of course, you had made a bundle off them, then used that bundle to gain dominance of all the R64's instead when Tech got nerfed, giving you even greater dominance over EVE & the Tech 2 markets resource supply. So the 'Tech' nerf argument really isn't a strong argument since it getting Nerfed actually benefited the CFC. |
Gh0stBust3rs
Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
52
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Posted - 2014.05.06 03:19:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Querns wrote:In thread related news, one might remember that we were also on the forefront of the media push to get Technetium nerfed, despite being the game's largest holder of said moons at the time.
it's almost like we argue from a position of objective game balance instead of for what lines our pockets. Of course, you had made a bundle off them, then used that bundle to gain dominance of all the R64's instead when Tech got nerfed, giving you even greater dominance over EVE & the Tech 2 markets resource supply. So the 'Tech' nerf argument really isn't a strong argument since it getting Nerfed actually benefited the CFC.
Your forgetting the fact they had to grind 2 regions worth of space to secure the new income stream. With that means replacing losses. paying for fuel, towers, sbus, tcus, ihubs.
Regions cost a fair penny to take over. One of the reason its not really newbie friendly to take sov. |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
263
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Posted - 2014.05.06 03:25:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Querns wrote:In thread related news, one might remember that we were also on the forefront of the media push to get Technetium nerfed, despite being the game's largest holder of said moons at the time.
it's almost like we argue from a position of objective game balance instead of for what lines our pockets. Of course, you had made a bundle off them, then used that bundle to gain dominance of all the R64's instead when Tech got nerfed, giving you even greater dominance over EVE & the Tech 2 markets resource supply. So the 'Tech' nerf argument really isn't a strong argument since it getting Nerfed actually benefited the CFC.
So they shot themselves in the foot... so they could continue the status quo?
I'd like some of what you're smoking. |
Otti Ottig
Sushi Social Society
5
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Posted - 2014.05.06 05:25:00 -
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FCON wrote:Long story short we have a history of pushing to balence things. wrong.
xPredat0rz wrote: Think of it this way. The only reason most of said T2 BPOs exist is because they were gifted to BOB/IT by their pocket dev.
super wrong.
in a logical approach: simply removing something is not a problem/requires time to do, so if that or something like that would be the plan it would have been done 10 years ago when most of the T2 BPO's weren't bought but gifted/won. He might has just thoughts about a nerf that compensates the upcoming T2 BPO boost in the end. making T2 BPO's meaningless/removing has not even been hinted as far I read the quotes. Let's see when it's all on youtube. |
xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
99
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Posted - 2014.05.06 06:11:00 -
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So we didnt completely switch to a drone assist doctrine to prove how insanely overpowered it was? Could have fooled me. Face it in fountain we fought against drone assist fleets and won because of the CFC's ability to utilize combine arms. We have some of the best Bomber FCs in the game. We won our fights so drone assist didnt look that bad. So we fielded our own drone assist fleets to abuse the mechanics of it until it showed CCP that it was completely broke. Now you cant slave 1000 drones to 1 person.
xPredat0rz wrote: Think of it this way. The only reason most of said T2 BPOs exist is because they were gifted to BOB/IT by their pocket dev.
Otti Ottig wrote:super wrong.
in a logical approach: simply removing something is not a problem/requires time to do, so if that or something like that would be the plan it would have been done 10 years ago when most of the T2 BPO's weren't bought but won. while talking about that topic, he might had just thoughts about a nerf that compensates the upcoming T2 BPO boost in the end. making T2 BPO's meaningless/removing has not even been hinted as far I read the quotes. Let's see when it's all on youtube.
Because of course BOB/IT didnt get T2 BPOs magically dropped into their hangers. It didnt get a dev fired or spawn the internal affairs division to prevent something like that happening again.
T2 BPOs will probably get nerfed/removed at some point... The income level for them is inbalanced when comepared to the bpcs everyone else has to work off of. |
Otti Ottig
Sushi Social Society
5
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:15:00 -
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xPredat0rz wrote: Because of course BOB/IT didnt get T2 BPOs magically dropped into their hangers. It didnt get a dev fired or spawn the internal affairs division to prevent something like that happening again.
if u could just stop talking about stuff u have been told wrong or/and haven't understood.
some individuals while members of BOB, (not IT) did recieve illegal information by a Eve DEV when a few T2 BPO's would come up in a random Lottery. so the only advantage was that they knew when to buy the tickets. with "a few" I'm talking of 12-15ish of over 3000 legally seeded BPO's
xPredat0rz wrote: The income level for them is inbalanced when comepared to ...
...what they cost, indeed. That's probably why the they are defenetly boosting T2 BPO's for now
xPredat0rz wrote: T2 BPOs will probably get nerfed/removed at some point
they will infact probably get removed for the last 9 years, but keep it up!
xPredat0rz wrote:So we didnt completely switch to a drone assist doctrine to prove how insanely overpowered it was? Could have fooled me.
my bad, I forgot for a second that FCON is allowed to call themselves CFC too
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Big Lynx
Do you even Exist. Darwins Lemmings
416
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Posted - 2014.05.06 07:34:00 -
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My point of view is rather giving them T2 BPOs more a boost than a nerf.
Goons is talking **** (like always) |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
613
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Posted - 2014.05.06 12:05:00 -
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Josephine Vera wrote: It is obvious that their main intention is to scare the wider public into dumping their t2 bpos and buying up at dirt cheap prices while knowing that the removal of t2 bpos will likely never happen. Thoughts?
How do we know you aren't trying to keep the value of your BPOs up by posting this, regardless of whether Goons are intentionally doing it or not?
Trust noone. |
Otin Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
7
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Posted - 2014.05.06 13:16:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Josephine Vera wrote:
Thoughts?
Grr, Goons.
dang, beat me to it |
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Dramaticus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
538
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:05:00 -
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The R64 revenue is nothing compared to what Tech was in its heyday The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal
The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them |
Victor Dathar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
319
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:41:00 -
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Dramaticus wrote:The R64 revenue is nothing compared to what Tech was in its heyday
Oh but a Goon would say that! ^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7
@grr_goons : Wisdom, Insight, GBS Posts |
Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries Intergalactic Conservation Movement
146
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:49:00 -
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I would be glad to see them gone. That being said, if goons are celebrating it, then it's likely they already quietly got rid of theirs. Or the goons who are celebrating it, are not the ones that actually own the prints. |
Fishbone
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:20:00 -
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Like most everything in game, people blame Goons for trying to make the game better has a whole. While they have the foresight to plan ahead and profit from these changes (most of the time), how can you blame them for investing billions of isk in "hoping" something goes in their favor. Everyone has the opportunity to invest in the future of the game, Goons are just better at it than most.
Has it was pointed out in the Fountain War, Goons were effective against the Drone Assist Fleets our enemies were using. Not till Goons adopted the tactic did it become a problem, and the public outcry forced CCP into fixing the "problem".
Like most things/changes, its not an issue until Goons start using it, then CCP is forced to do something. So if you look at it realistically, all these changes seem to nerf Goons, but all they are trying to make the game better for everyone, give everyone an even playing field. |
Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
140
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:46:00 -
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Josephine Vera wrote:Just came back to eve for the summer changes. Was watching the streams and reading reports. Before starting, I am one of the original T2 BPO owners in 2003 but have since sold them over the years and now retired with most of my time in pvp Found one that really stood out: http://themittani.com/news/fanfest-industry-panel-discussionApparently there was nothing worth noting by any CCP representative regarding t2 bpos in the stream but this site which is written by a Goon has been unusually enthusiastic in reporting about it and phrasing it in such a way that it will be removed soon. Their CSM representative was also looking forward to it very much While looking through the forums, I noticed several characters posting with the intention of destabilizing T2 BPO prices on every T2 BPO thread. Examples: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=342071&find=unreadhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=342035&find=unreadMost of which can be traced to a Goon Main or used in a Goon scam before. I was surprised as obviously the biggest losers in this T2 BPO removal would be Goons as it is no surprise that they hold some of the largest amounts of t2 bpos in existence. However, they seem extremely supportive of the removal BUT there has been no liquadation of t2 bpos done by Goons It is obvious that their main intention is to scare the wider public into dumping their t2 bpos and buying up at dirt cheap prices while knowing that the removal of t2 bpos will likely never happen. Thoughts?
Good idea, wished I thought about it first. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:54:00 -
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Katherine Raven wrote:I would be glad to see them gone. That being said, if goons are celebrating it, then it's likely they already quietly got rid of theirs. Or the goons who are celebrating it, are not the ones that actually own the prints.
Our finance department has already stated that we aren't invested in T2 BPOs because they aren't going to throw huge sums of money at a decade-long breakeven that already has the Sword of Devocles dangling over it. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1098
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:28:00 -
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Josephine Vera wrote: It is obvious that their main intention is to scare the wider public into dumping their t2 bpos
Sorry.
But isn't there a significant cognitive dissonance between "the wider public" and "their T2 BPOs"?
While I don't have any issues with said BPOs as they are, as I make all the money I need with invention.
I still fail to see what impact it could have on the game in general if "the wider public owning at least one T2 BPO" had to see their precious getting tossed into a volcano ...
CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
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Jaqen Hari
Reikoku Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:48:00 -
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GRR BOB
i bathe in T20 gifted bpos, nomad |
Victor Dathar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
327
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:56:00 -
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De mortuis nil nisi bonum my friend De mortuis nil nisi bonum. ^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7
@grr_goons : Wisdom, Insight, GBS Posts |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7316
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:13:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote: Of course, you had made a bundle off them, then used that bundle to gain dominance of all the R64's instead when Tech got nerfed, giving you even greater dominance over EVE & the Tech 2 markets resource supply. So the 'Tech' nerf argument really isn't a strong argument since it getting Nerfed actually benefited the CFC.
while we will lobby to have broken things fixed, we will never not exploit them to the fullest extent of what will not get us banned until it is fixed (this is, generally, the best way to get it fixed and just good common sense)
so yeah while we were advocating tech being nerfed we were gobbling up every last tech moon we could, manipulating the market higher, and saving for the end of the tech era so we could do something like crush a worthless alliance sitting on suddenly valuble space Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |
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