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Bloemkoolsaus
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:15:00 -
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So, our wh mapper registers ship/npc kills in wormholes and displays this in a nice graph. Much like tripwire does. We use this information to see when people have done sites. Looks like they're gonna remove this info (for wspace) from the API.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4556962#post4556962
I'm not sure if the new CSM is in business yet, if they are, Corbexx, help! |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:28:00 -
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Bloemkoolsaus wrote:So, our wh mapper registers ship/npc kills in wormholes and displays this in a nice graph. Much like tripwire does. We use this information to see when people have done sites. Looks like they're gonna remove this info (for wspace) from the API. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4556962#post4556962I'm not sure if the new CSM is in business yet, if they are, Corbexx, help!
Halp Halp
Seriously though, while it's a very comfortable tool for the casual ganker it's not really that necessary. For log-off-trapping ... well that's another story. |
Sandslinger
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:37:00 -
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To be honest I don't see this as a bad thing, we use these functions extensively as I know many others do. and frankly it makes **** too easy.
Wormholes is meant to be the dark unknown. doesn't really feel that way when we can check every single system for NPCing or Player kills and take appropriate action without even connecting to said systems.
Many will cry at this, and I'll consider each one in the same light I do nullseccers crying at any hint of
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Andrew Jester
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.05.06 11:37:00 -
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I'm sure you could rig something up to ping zkill or eve-kill for a system, but it won't be as accurate as it currently is. There's no fix for NPC kills though. |
Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.05.06 12:12:00 -
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Everyone in a WH group who uses a mapper an enjoys the feature that shows recent activity needs to get in this thread and tell the Dev that removing a valuable tool you use to find content is not acceptable Nothing to see here.... Move along
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Miriam Hanomaa
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.06 12:13:00 -
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This basically makes farming sleepers risk free against logofftraps.
After this, everyone will expo everywhere all the time. You roll the static, catch farmers. No hassle with logofftraps. Combine this with the anom change spawning, and you can catch a capfleet every day! Thanks CCP!
I take it the CSM was not informed before this grand idea was published? |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
366
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Posted - 2014.05.06 12:41:00 -
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Ok I'm attually chatting to Fox Four right now.
But any posts here please be constructive and not panic mode.
basics being we are all used to having this info to help us catch people.
If it happens, it will definietly make log on traps a bit harder. Although just keeping a scout in will tell you when people run sites, and you can also check on evekill and zkill for loses. which helps a bit.
For general stuff I guess its going to effect us a bit.
Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better |
Jack Miton
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.05.06 12:52:00 -
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I fully support removing it. Who gives a crap? the info is an hour old anyway, it's functionally useless. it doesnt help you catch people, it just tells you that you missed the people that were in a system an hour ago. if you want to scout someone, use your eyes. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
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Posted - 2014.05.06 12:54:00 -
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Miriam Hanomaa wrote:This basically makes farming sleepers risk free against logofftraps.
After this, everyone will expo everywhere all the time. You roll the static, catch farmers. No hassle with logofftraps. Combine this with the anom change spawning, and you can catch a capfleet every day! Thanks CCP!
Haeh? what is it that you're trying to say? |
Necharo Rackham
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 12:57:00 -
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corbexx wrote:Ok I'm attually chatting to Fox Four right now.
But any posts here please be constructive and not panic mode.
It's fine in and of itself - though as it decreases the risk of w-space PVE it would be nice to see a balancing change which kept that risk at roughly the same.
Incidentally, hour old data is quite useful in the era of the hacking game - where people could well still be in sites down their chain with stuff that can be caught - or running gas sites.
Incidentally, changes like this give the unfortunate impression that no CCPers play this subset of the game - certainly I presume none of them have to rely on a mapper. |
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
971
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Posted - 2014.05.06 13:04:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:I fully support removing it. Who gives a crap? the info is an hour old anyway, it's functionally useless. it doesnt help you catch people, it just tells you that you missed the people that were in a system an hour ago. if you want to scout someone, use your eyes.
Damn you Jack and your logic, get your pitchfork son.
Here you can borrow mine Nothing to see here.... Move along
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Duramah
Collapsed Out Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:07:00 -
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So as an ex wh pvp'er and still wh pve'er I'd like to say rip logoffski and hello farming!!
I take that back good change for farming and rolling! |
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:32:00 -
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This should have been done when they removed jumps in system...
free intel is bad, as such, signature detection needs to be delayed (unless someone bothers to use probes) and in this case, magic intel about pve activity needs to go too.
It really should go both ways.
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Kryxal
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:27:00 -
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These days, it's mostly useful as historical data ... that is, they WERE farming then, so they probably WILL BE farming in a few hours. First they removed jump data, now they're looking to remove kill data, I have to wonder what useful info we lose in a year or two... |
Thor66777
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
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Posted - 2014.05.06 15:49:00 -
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Ill quote my response from that thread:
Thor66777 wrote:Its quite entertaining hearing all of these "big" wormhole alliances complaining about this change. I for one welcome it as it gives a new challenge to overcome (which is what wormholes are famous for). You actually have to put in some effort to gather information now rather than it being handed to you via API.
This is wormhole space, its supposed to be unknown. Sorry some of you are butthert about the information not being handed to you anymore, you actually have to work for it now. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3113
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Posted - 2014.05.06 16:33:00 -
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Please see this thread for an ongoing discussion of the topic: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4558401#post4558401 CCP FoxFour // Game Designer // @regnerba
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G0hme
Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion
198
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Posted - 2014.05.06 17:59:00 -
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So smug :D
Fully support this change. People should get off their asses and do some old fashion Hunting! Shook Eelm's hand at Fanfest 2012 Shook CCP Soundwave's hand at Fanfest 2013
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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
8294
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:04:00 -
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Tbh whether they keep it or not its a win. If they do its a valuable tool forthose putting the effort in to seed caps for log off trapsm however, eve isnt for loggin off its for playing! I think removing that tool will put farmers at ease with the whole log off trap thing.. more cap kills! |
Andrew Jester
Rolled Out
184
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:16:00 -
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If they removed it but sigs update only with probes it'd be nice. As it stands, just a buff to farming |
Angsty Teenager
Broski North Black Legion.
340
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:59:00 -
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Pretty dumb.
Well, I look forward to the whining when w-space is full of farmers.
I guess I can do my part and go back to farming instead of ganking the farmers. And you'll never catch me either with this change, so good luck. |
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Kalel Nimrott
Rolled Out
994
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:08:00 -
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I love to see how the farmers step up to this change. It will only escalte things. No more log off traps? No problem! How about good old fashion evictions instead? GÇ£Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.GÇ¥ - CCP Soundwave |
Winthorp
Rolled Out
1620
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:22:00 -
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G0hme wrote:So smug :D
Fully support this change. People should get off their asses and do some old fashion Hunting!
Says the guy that has left WH space to go to nullsec with its abundance of AFK intel, please tell us how we should work harder for pvp wise one. (Insert witty signature here) |
Angsty Teenager
Broski North Black Legion.
341
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:25:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:I love to see how the farmers step up to this change. It will only escalte things. No more log off traps? No problem! How about good old fashion evictions instead?
Doesn't matter. How are you going to evict somebody that lives out of a small pos with nothing that can't be fit in a carrier and logged off with the rest of his caps? |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
109
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:28:00 -
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So no logoff traps unless you have been watching them at least a week, no catching people in a sites thanks to the immidiate sig spawn so what is left of targets? Rolling is out since 99% warps to safety when they see a new sig. Catching people has become a lot less likely. Wormhole space is becoming more safe then high sec if this continues.... . The only thing left to do is evictions... . And poshbashing is soooo much fun... .
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Bob Artis
Rolled Out
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Posted - 2014.05.06 19:44:00 -
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Honestly I'm not too mad about this. As long as we can map out our wormholes I don't mind loosing some extra benefits like kill data.
Still I wish CCP would be a bit more descriptive with how they want wormholes to function. First they suggest a five min delay on incoming sigs, which would be a nightmare to anyone doing PvE, then they remove this? I can't tell how difficult they want wormhole isking to be. |
Kalel Nimrott
Rolled Out
994
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:17:00 -
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What? Are you asking them to make sense????, are you mad, Bob?? GÇ£Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.GÇ¥ - CCP Soundwave |
Duke Wendo
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.05.06 20:27:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:I fully support removing it. Who gives a crap? the info is an hour old anyway, it's functionally useless. it doesnt help you catch people, it just tells you that you missed the people that were in a system an hour ago. if you want to scout someone, use your eyes.
Almost spot on. It helps those that are building intel on a particular hole in order to pull off a PvE fleet kill.
I hope they do remove it- it's free intel and there should never be free intel in this game. |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
209
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:40:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:I fully support removing it. Who gives a crap? the info is an hour old anyway, it's functionally useless. it doesnt help you catch people, it just tells you that you missed the people that were in a system an hour ago. if you want to scout someone, use your eyes.
I like the cut of your jib and would like to subscribe to any periodicals that you produce.
Andrew Jester wrote:If they removed it but sigs update only with probes it'd be nice. As it stands, just a buff to farming
While Jack covered why I don't think it's really all that much of a farmer buff, I'd agree that I'd like to see sigs going back to their old behavior.
Basically, I'm fairly neutral on this change, but I'd like to make sure we're going in the right direction in WH space: Active effort to aquire intel. "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:12:00 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote:So no logoff traps unless you have been watching them at least a week, no catching people in a sites thanks to the immidiate sig spawn so what is left of targets? Rolling is out since 99% warps to safety when they see a new sig. Catching people has become a lot less likely. Wormhole space is becoming more safe then high sec if this continues.... . The only thing left to do is evictions... . And poshbashing is soooo much fun... .
WTF are you doing in w-space? Go back to k-space if you want free intel. It doesn't make logoff traps impossible - you just have to put a little bit more effort into it instead of having some magical fluffy fluffy fairy tell you when and where to get an easy free kill. |
Nutmegpainter
Whale Girth Grand Sky Wizards
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:39:00 -
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with this change i will also become near untouchable when farming late US Tz.....
You guys all better farm your ribbons before the price drops even further (wait for CCP nerf Blue loot)
Sure you could find more people when rage rolling c5s but lets all be honest on how many c5's a wh corp rolls a day.. (prob under 10-15)
so thats what ? 3% ? (drunk math) chance within those wormholes to find somebody running sites.?
countless times have i opened my mapping program, saw the residents get active in X amount of hours (or havent been active in months) and know thats when we could or could not potentially create content.
Now i will be stuck digging even deeper in wormholes to find targets.. or be stuck burning wormholes to the ground to find targets
Maybe removing NPC activity wont be that bad, or maybe it will, but CCCP will do what they want in the end regardless ( DUST, INCARNA )
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