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Richard Masseri
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2014.05.07 01:12:00 -
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I'm planning on bringing some more livestock to my home town we have in the past tried out grazing herds in our surrounding pastures however our vicinity to the jungle has caused problems for us with many of our animals catching disease after being bitten by the jungle wildlife.
Two suggestions have been brought to me on how I might deal with this problem.
The first is that we bring in livestock which has been genetically engineered to be immune to the local diseases. However a few local people are worried about the potential problems this could cause to the local ecosystem, as these animals will be given free roam of the pastures.
The second proposal is to bring in common livestock but to build large structures to hold them in that will restrict access to the outside world meaning that they will be safe from any outside influences on their health. Some of my community feel however that this may look unsightly and also that it could be rather inhumane.
I'm just wondering if anyone out there has dealt with similar problems or just have any views or helpful ideas. Currently the animals are in a quarantine depot floating off planet.
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Kei Sparrowhawk
True Ethics
11
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Posted - 2014.05.09 01:14:00 -
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I have no experience dealing with livestock, because I don't eat or use animals.
I would try the genetic engineering option; there is always room to improve upon nature. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1065
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Posted - 2014.05.09 01:48:00 -
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Because in Sansha Nation, animals use you! |
Kei Sparrowhawk
True Ethics
11
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Posted - 2014.05.09 03:25:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Because in Sansha Nation, animals use you!
I'm sorry, did you have anything of value to say? I'm thinking that you were just interested in trying that lame attempt, to attack Nation and me. Are you still upset that I dislike the State? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
3602
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Posted - 2014.05.09 03:47:00 -
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For Maker's sake - TANK GROW THE MEAT! Better yet, tank grow some nice fish. Fish is better for you, anyway. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
N'maro Makari
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
422
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Posted - 2014.05.09 04:07:00 -
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If you're on a temperate world, which by this discussion I assume you are, you're probably already surrounded by major and minor instances of genetic modification. These lumps of rock weren't always habitable when we first discovered them, and even then evolution took us by surprise.
Bit of advice though, gene-modding or no, closed environment experimentation and trial runs are your friend.
Theorising what impact and organism might have on an ecosystem is all well and good, but more often than not conservationists are left with their pants down over the actual results. Any organism, gene-modded or not can mess up an ecology. Vherokior-á |
Richard Masseri
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
3
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:37:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:For Maker's sake - TANK GROW THE MEAT! Better yet, tank grow some nice fish. Fish is better for you, anyway.
Though the sentiment is good I cannot do this because of certain rules made by local committees, and yes before you ask I could use my influence as a capsuleer to overthrow these laws however any such action would likely damage my relationship with the local community. I am sure the time will come when tank growing in this area needs to take place however I would prefer to let this happen via slow progression rather than forcing the local populous into it straight away.
N'maro Makari wrote:If you're on a temperate world, which by this discussion I assume you are, you're probably already surrounded by major and minor instances of genetic modification. These lumps of rock weren't always habitable when we first discovered them, and even then evolution took us by surprise.
Bit of advice though, gene-modding or no, closed environment experimentation and trial runs are your friend.
Theorising what impact and organism might have on an ecosystem is all well and good, but more often than not conservationists are left with their pants down over the actual results. Any organism, gene-modded or not can mess up an ecology.
Thanks you make a good I will start testing this in simulated environments in my off world laboratories. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
295
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:58:00 -
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A genetic immunity will be far cheaper, easier to manage, and more effective than a sealed environment that can fail for any one of hundreds of reasons. Plus, when the animals breed, that immunity is passed on. All you need are fences or some other means of limiting their movements, to keep them from unduly disrupting the surrounding ecosystem... No matter the sentiments, your friends don't get to have it both ways, unfortunately. Either they let them roam freely, and take the risk, or use some method of control. The advantage of the genetic option in that regard is in the fact that said control can be far less obtrusive. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
751
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Posted - 2014.05.09 11:40:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:For Maker's sake - TANK GROW THE MEAT! Better yet, tank grow some nice fish. Fish is better for you, anyway.
Maybe you can arrange some deals? Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Jurou Yuan
Hakkaisuo Corporation Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
111
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Posted - 2014.05.09 12:55:00 -
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Desiderya wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:For Maker's sake - TANK GROW THE MEAT! Better yet, tank grow some nice fish. Fish is better for you, anyway. Maybe you can arrange some deals?
Oooooooh snap |
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Richard Masseri
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
3
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Posted - 2014.05.09 13:14:00 -
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Thank you everyone for comments I can see now that it might be rather useful to do some testing in some simulated environments off word so I can genetically taylor the livestock to my needs, make it safe for consumption and double check that it won't have any negative effects on the ecosystem.
A fence or cage is all good until the local wildlife break in or one of the inhabitants breaks out though I could seriously limit the likelihood of escape I could not eradicate the chance completely. I might eventually find a genetic variation that entirely fits my needs or one which would still need some separation however even if I do settle for the latter I would still like to know any potential negative effects it might have if the unthinkable were to occur.
For my upcoming research work I am going to require some scientific professionals and a larger number of genetically engineered livestock. I may also need some pharmaceuticals and some willing human subjects(e.g. no slaves) who can test the quality of the meat.
This is a list of the resources I require if anyone would like to help me out by picking some of this stuff up and contracting it to me that would be great. Contracts should have a expiration time of 7 days and should be left in the Placid region for pick up.
- Science Graduates 250k (max 10per contract)
- Genetically Enhanced Livestock 8k (max 200per)
- Vaccines 50k (max 25per)
- Antibiotics 300 isk (max 200per)
- Test Subjects 150k (max 25per)
This is a first come first accepted deal please follow all the procedures exactly my budget is approximately 75million risk. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
3608
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:28:00 -
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Jurou Yuan wrote:Desiderya wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:For Maker's sake - TANK GROW THE MEAT! Better yet, tank grow some nice fish. Fish is better for you, anyway. Maybe you can arrange some deals? Oooooooh snap
Stop your carping, Jurou.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Pieter Tuulinen
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
3608
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:29:00 -
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Desiderya wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:For Maker's sake - TANK GROW THE MEAT! Better yet, tank grow some nice fish. Fish is better for you, anyway. Maybe you can arrange some deals?
Are you really so eager to cook for yourself in future?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Anslo
Scope Works
4973
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:43:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Jurou Yuan wrote:Desiderya wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:For Maker's sake - TANK GROW THE MEAT! Better yet, tank grow some nice fish. Fish is better for you, anyway. Maybe you can arrange some deals? Oooooooh snap Stop your carping, Jurou.
Why do you coddlle each other with your posts?
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1755
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:47:00 -
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Growing a full animal for meat, limbic system and neocortex and all, is sort of awful! There's no need for it, especially if your plan is just to fatten and kill it after keeping it entrapped. If you have to do this for cultural reasons, I hope taht you are at least providing a healthy, fulfilling environment for the animal while it is alive!
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:TANK GROW THE MEAT There is a really great joke here about tank grown meat. I'm terrified of going in to get it. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3622
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:18:00 -
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There are pressing economic reasons for animal ranching as opposed to mass cloning, not least being that large mammals such as beef cattle are vastly more expensive to clone and keep lobotomized in an exercise tank than they are to breed the old-fashioned way and let exercise themselves on open pasture. Dirtside, a cattle ranch is by far the more economic alternative to biomass growth tanks. In space, it's the other way round of course, but there's still a huge difference in price involved - meat in space is much more expensive than it is groundside.
Is it cruel? I'd argue not. Somebody's going to exploit that land anyway but at least when ranching is involved that species is now riding on the human bandwagon, deferring the challenge of genetic propagation to our responsibility at the expense of a predictable (and short) lifespan before slaughter. Given that they're non-sentient, I'm quite sure it doesn't bother them in the slightest - lacking the human capacity of foresight as they do, it's not really valid to project how we would feel onto those animals.
The alternative is clearing the land for transgenic crops, fumigating the land to keep the local growth as monoculture as possible, and driving any native animal species into increasingly inhospitable niches where their population inevitably dwindles and natural selection takes over.
I'd wager that a creature incapable of intellectual foresight most probably experiences more total seconds of comfort and contentment in the regulated environment of a ranch than in the wild, always on the edge of death by starvation, injury or predator. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
752
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:18:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Desiderya wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:For Maker's sake - TANK GROW THE MEAT! Better yet, tank grow some nice fish. Fish is better for you, anyway. Maybe you can arrange some deals? Are you really so eager to cook for yourself in future?
I'd never dare to get between you and your pisceral pleasures. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
3610
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:19:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Growing a full animal for meat, limbic system and neocortex and all, is sort of awful! There's no need for it, especially if your plan is just to fatten and kill it after keeping it entrapped. If you have to do this for cultural reasons, I hope taht you are at least providing a healthy, fulfilling environment for the animal while it is alive! Pieter Tuulinen wrote:TANK GROW THE MEAT There is a really great joke here about tank grown meat. I'm terrified of going in to get it.
Oh sweetie, you weren't terrified of tank-grown meat the last time we met. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Anslo
Scope Works
4973
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:20:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Scherezad wrote:Growing a full animal for meat, limbic system and neocortex and all, is sort of awful! There's no need for it, especially if your plan is just to fatten and kill it after keeping it entrapped. If you have to do this for cultural reasons, I hope taht you are at least providing a healthy, fulfilling environment for the animal while it is alive! Pieter Tuulinen wrote:TANK GROW THE MEAT There is a really great joke here about tank grown meat. I'm terrified of going in to get it. Oh sweetie, you weren't terrified of tank-grown meat the last time we met.
What.
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Richard Masseri
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
4
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:24:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Growing a full animal for meat, limbic system and neocortex and all, is sort of awful! There's no need for it, especially if your plan is just to fatten and kill it after keeping it entrapped. If you have to do this for cultural reasons, I hope taht you are at least providing a healthy, fulfilling environment for the animal while it is alive!
As I mentioned the animals will be living in the pastures on the outskirts of my home town which is a beautiful and enriching environment the area itself is rather rural so the population are used to certain styles of living however the main use of these animals will be the full range of commodities they provide e.g. their milk, meat and material. Much of the testing is to create an animal which can roam the pastures freely and survive the natural predators, pests and diseases.
I hope this answers your question and moderates your disgust. |
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
388
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:24:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Jurou Yuan wrote:Desiderya wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:For Maker's sake - TANK GROW THE MEAT! Better yet, tank grow some nice fish. Fish is better for you, anyway. Maybe you can arrange some deals? Oooooooh snap Stop your carping, Jurou. Why do you coddlle each other with your posts? Punning for the halibut? The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Jurou Yuan
Hakkaisuo Corporation Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
112
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:31:00 -
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Kill yourselves, you nauseating rabble.
fish |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3623
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:41:00 -
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Well aren't you a ray of sunshine? What's the manta? Are you always like this, or are you just feeling eel today? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
148
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:50:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Well aren't you a ray of sunshine? What's the manta? Are you always like this, or are you just feeling eel today?
You really should be put down. If only we had more people like Launette Vylier. |
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1755
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:55:00 -
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Mr Yuan is just fishing for a reaction. I'm sure he feels a little gillty! |
Pieter Tuulinen
Verdant Inquiries Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
3611
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:04:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Mr Yuan is just fishing for a reaction. I'm sure he feels a little gillty!
Well, aren't you a ray of good humour? "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
389
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:14:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Mr Yuan is just fishing for a reaction. I'm sure he feels a little gillty! He's just a bit crabby. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3625
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:57:00 -
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Sofia Roseburn wrote:Stitcher wrote:Well aren't you a ray of sunshine? What's the manta? Are you always like this, or are you just feeling eel today? You really should be put down.
proportionate responses seem fin on the ground around here. My puns don't justify the scale of your anger. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Anslo
Scope Works
4974
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Posted - 2014.05.09 19:19:00 -
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It's cool Stitch, they just like to trout their edginess about and in people's faces.
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Richard Masseri
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
4
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:05:00 -
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Well I hope any of you that can send me a contract in the near future. There is a decent size pile of isk stashed away for those who do. |
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