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Bayonnefrog
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:13:00 -
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Using baseless, reckless, unsubstantiated claims ("scammers" "filthy scum") to attack the character (Noir) of his opponents and to further his agenda. He deserves contempt from the Eve community.
Gevlon Goblin is the Senator Joseph McCarthy of Eve Online. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
664
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:35:00 -
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IB4L Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:39:00 -
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people this surprises: nobody. |
Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:45:00 -
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He's really clueless about how to do it right. |
Yu Sukk
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:54:00 -
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Bayonnefrog wrote:Using baseless, reckless, unsubstantiated claims ("scammers" "filthy scum") to attack the character (Noir) of his opponents and to further his agenda. He deserves contempt from the Eve community.
Gevlon Goblin is the Senator Joseph McCarthy of Eve Online.
never heard of him
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350125GO
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:51:00 -
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I read the subject and thought this was an anti-vaccination thread. |
Jack Lennox
Killing With a Smile
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:36:00 -
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INB4L
-Erotica 1 did nothing wrong Been ganked? Robbed? Space feelings hurt?-á Now there's something you can do! Fill out a Customer Service Comment Card!-á EIther that or contact everyone's favorite Space Detective for an instant ban! |
Joseph Soprano
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:04:00 -
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Bayonnefrog wrote:Using baseless, reckless, unsubstantiated claims ("scammers" "filthy scum") to attack the character of his opponent (Noir) and to further his agenda. He deserves contempt from the Eve community.
Gevlon Goblin is the Senator Joseph McCarthy of Eve Online.
Here is the Noirs blog post with their point of view
http://noirmercs.com/content.php?3455-Burn-Goblin&s=8baf3c342b0a0eca41a0a0ffe7294ad9
and the subsequent discussion on redditt
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/24clbf/noirs_counterstate_to_gevlon/
Oops forgot the killmails of their client https://zkillboard.com/kill/38423392/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/38426611/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/38426617/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/38437902/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/38440467/ |
El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:29:00 -
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noir are ****
gevlon's autistic
you're all awful . |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:43:00 -
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I made the trip all the way out to Berta the other day to look at some stuff that Gevlon was selling and we get in the hangar and he snuck up behind me with a rag soaked in ether and knocked me out. I woke up and my pants were unzipped. |
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:46:00 -
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Bayonnefrog wrote:Using baseless, reckless, unsubstantiated claims ("scammers" "filthy scum") to attack the character of his opponent (Noir) and to further his agenda. He deserves contempt from the Eve community.
Gevlon Goblin is the Senator Joseph McCarthy of Eve Online. Actually thats a bad metaphor because in truth Joe McCarthy was right. The liberals and pansies in hollywood and media hated him and won the war on smearing him, but his assertions were actually bang on that there was an active soviet infiltration of US government (and media) going on.
Now I am not saying Goblin is right, just setting the record straight on McCarthy.
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Would you like to know more? |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:26:00 -
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Sigh.
Everybody knows Ripard Teg is the Witchfinder General of EVE, unless NOIR suddenly just got banned for blowing up internet spaceships. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
944
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:30:00 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:Sigh.
Everybody knows Ripard Teg is the Witchfinder General of EVE, unless NOIR suddenly just got banned for blowing up internet spaceships. Even better.
Ripard Teg is to EvE what Al Gore is to the global warming hoax, ratcheting up peoples angst, anger and fears based on what is ultimately bullsh!t. Ripard Teg, EvE's Al Gore.
F Would you like to know more? |
Tor Norman
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:09:00 -
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Gevlon's crime is the breach of the adage "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
I don't think Noir's intention as a group were malicious, just Aleks's interpretation and negotiation of the contract was so inept that it simply appeared as such. Aleks, even with 20/20 hindsight doesn't appear to figure out (or perhaps is too proud to admit) that Gevlon's contract was clearly intended to prevent ganks and impede Goon success in BJ3. Wh**ing on CONCORD killmails does not qualify as gank prevention. I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.
For the ISK and the yarr! |
Oshia Launay
Galactic Fringe Inc
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:17:00 -
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I used to be a member on an ultra conservative forums where every other thread (*) was filled with reactionary rants against science, knowledge and education, and common sense had been traded for conspiracy theories. Boy am I glad I'm now on a gaming forum where I don't have to read that McCarty was right or science is all a big hoax (also: Al Gore). Err ...
(*) The other half was naturally filled with xenophobic, racist, sexist and homophobic rants. |
Forum Clone 77777
Do You Even Irony Broew
281
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:25:00 -
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Idk who this goblin is but I believe these things belong in WoW and not in EVE, just like orcs and elves dont belong in EVE. |
Pubbie Spy
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:16:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:global warming hoax
facepalm
Oh wait, this is eveo, carry on. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:21:00 -
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Bayonnefrog wrote:Using baseless, reckless, unsubstantiated claims ("scammers" "filthy scum") to attack the character of his opponent (Noir) and to further his agenda. He deserves contempt from the Eve community.
Gevlon Goblin is the Senator Joseph McCarthy of Eve Online. Aleks 1 go home.
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5865
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:33:00 -
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Tor Norman wrote: Aleks, even with 20/20 hindsight doesn't appear to figure out (or perhaps is too proud to admit) that Gevlon's contract was clearly intended to prevent ganks and impede Goon success in BJ3.
One wonders if that was the intent, why Gobbo specifically gave them a "per killmail" style contract.
Face it, he tried to scam them. It didn't work, he's stomping his feet about it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Joseph Soprano
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:50:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tor Norman wrote: Aleks, even with 20/20 hindsight doesn't appear to figure out (or perhaps is too proud to admit) that Gevlon's contract was clearly intended to prevent ganks and impede Goon success in BJ3. One wonders if that was the intent, why Gobbo specifically gave them a "per killmail" style contract. Face it, he tried to scam them. It didn't work, he's stomping his feet about it.
From the contract Mail Gevlon 'I can pay a fixed fee or after jammed Goons, as they die in 10 seconds to Concord'
Obviously 'Jammed' must mean something different to you and Noir!
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Tor Norman
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tor Norman wrote: Aleks, even with 20/20 hindsight doesn't appear to figure out (or perhaps is too proud to admit) that Gevlon's contract was clearly intended to prevent ganks and impede Goon success in BJ3. One wonders if that was the intent, why Gobbo specifically gave them a "per killmail" style contract. Face it, he tried to scam them. It didn't work, he's stomping his feet about it. Really? Really? He opens up with "The plan would be to NOT be at war with Goons, forming up in Scorpions and Blackbirds and jamming out Goon Taloses and Brutixes when they go GCC, spoiling their ganks."
In what world could that initial demand ever be comatable with "I'll pay you to wh*re in on CONCORD killmails". Remember: Gevlon knows, I know, you know, people in this thread know, Aleks and Noir know that simply shooting at a ship that's being CONCORDed anyway is literally pointless. Why on Earth would Gevlon ever employ them to do such a thing? I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.
For the ISK and the yarr! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5865
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:24:00 -
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Tor Norman wrote: Really? Really? He opens up with "The plan would be to NOT be at war with Goons, forming up in Scorpions and Blackbirds and jamming out Goon Taloses and Brutixes when they go GCC, spoiling their ganks."
In what world could that initial demand ever be comatable with "I'll pay you to wh*re in on CONCORD killmails". Remember: Gevlon knows, I know, you know, people in this thread know, Aleks and Noir know that simply shooting at a ship that's being CONCORDed anyway is literally pointless. Why on Earth would Gevlon ever employ them to do such a thing?
Because he's insane? I've suspected that for some time. Too much "Grr Goons!" is bad for your mental health.
The entire thing isn't about their effectiveness, that's been established long since as a smokescreen. I was there that weekend, they did far more damage to the Burn Jita effort than anything Darwin's even came close to. For goodness sake's they jammed me once or twice while I was out there. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Xenuria
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:46:00 -
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Bayonnefrog wrote:Using baseless, reckless, unsubstantiated claims ("scammers" "filthy scum") to attack the character of his opponent (Noir) and to further his agenda. He deserves contempt from the Eve community.
Gevlon Goblin is the Senator Joseph McCarthy of Eve Online.
There does exist a McCarthy of EvE Online but Gevlon is not it. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
Tor Norman
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
144
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:17:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tor Norman wrote:Why on Earth would Gevlon ever employ them to do such a thing? Because he's insane? I've suspected that for some time. Too much "Grr Goons!" is bad for your mental health. You've missed the point: He wouldn't. Call him what you will, but he's logical to a fault and there's no logic in paying someone to wh*re on CONCORD kills. I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.
For the ISK and the yarr! |
Vayeate Marquise
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:42:00 -
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since both are irrelevant and terrible i think this is the plan between the two to get them both more publicity
discuss Problem? ~.~ |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.05.08 02:24:00 -
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Pornographic post removed.
Forum rule 6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3334
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:29:00 -
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Tor Norman wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tor Norman wrote: Aleks, even with 20/20 hindsight doesn't appear to figure out (or perhaps is too proud to admit) that Gevlon's contract was clearly intended to prevent ganks and impede Goon success in BJ3. One wonders if that was the intent, why Gobbo specifically gave them a "per killmail" style contract. Face it, he tried to scam them. It didn't work, he's stomping his feet about it. Really? Really? He opens up with " The plan would be to NOT be at war with Goons, forming up in Scorpions and Blackbirds and jamming out Goon Taloses and Brutixes when they go GCC, spoiling their ganks." In what world could that initial demand ever be comatable with "I'll pay you to wh*re in on CONCORD killmails". Remember: Gevlon knows, I know, you know, people in this thread know, Aleks and Noir know that simply shooting at a ship that's being CONCORDed anyway is literally pointless. Why on Earth would Gevlon ever employ them to do such a thing? If you learn to read, later in the same conversation, Aleks says "How about 5m/kill, 10m for pods? GSF only or all participating CFC forces?" to which Gevlon responds "Hi, 5M/kill is great, but not for destroyers. How about 2M for Catalyst, 5M for Brutix, 10M for Talos. Unfortunately Trashers, Hurricanes and Tornadoes worth nothing since they shoot one volley only, when they go GCC. Jamming/killing them after that one volley does nothing."
Now anyone that knows anything about ganking in a 0.9 knows that jamming a T1 cata is about as effective as hurling a wet sponge at them, since at most you knock of a couple of K damage. What Noir was aiming to do (and was at least partly successful at times) was to catch us between warps and with killrights, etc and kill us before the gank began, then failing that volley us off the field.
Sitting around in an ECM ship would require you to preempt what we are hitting, (since you will not catch up in time if you have to warp in), split ECM enough to strip back enough catalysts to actually peel off the DPS, and do all of that after volley 1 has been fired. If that was the plan, good luck with all that. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3334
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:38:00 -
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Tor Norman wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tor Norman wrote:Why on Earth would Gevlon ever employ them to do such a thing? Because he's insane? I've suspected that for some time. Too much "Grr Goons!" is bad for your mental health. You've missed the point: He wouldn't. Call him what you will, but he's logical to a fault and there's no logic in paying someone to wh*re on CONCORD kills. I have yet to see Gevlon being logical (or rational for that matter which is another of his self proclaimed strengths). Just because someones screams "THIS IS LOGIC" while speaking utter nonsense doesn't make it the case. He jumps to conclusions based on limited data, often limited specifically to support those conclusions. I can see why people that are really dumb and naive might go along with what he's saying as he presents it with such conviction, but to the average and above it's clearly just badly planned propaganda executed by someone with no knowledge of the social interaction required to successfully push such a campaign. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:39:00 -
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Quote:4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
22. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.
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