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Cheng Musana
Purple Space Ponys AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:54:00 -
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Webvan wrote:Cheng Musana wrote: there will be no more additional content Source? No? thought so... have you got a source apart from a dev making "another" promise? About the question if the stuff that had beeing showed on fanfest the devs mentioned that most of it is going for legion. However they didnt sayd what exactly dust is getting. Which lead the community to believe that CCP abandoned their game. It woulda have beeing much better for CCP when they showed what is coming for dust. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
3388
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:59:00 -
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Cheng Musana wrote:Webvan wrote:Cheng Musana wrote: there will be no more additional content Source? No? thought so... have you got a source apart from a dev making "another" promise? About the question if the stuff that had beeing showed on fanfest the devs mentioned that most of it is going for legion. However they didnt sayd what exactly dust is getting. Which lead the community to believe that CCP abandoned their game. It woulda have beeing much better for CCP when they showed what is coming for dust.
"Although DUST 514 and Project Legion will function independently of one another, and are different projects on different development paths, DUST itself has a lot more shooting-in-the-face action to come. The team and I remain committed to continuing to improve the experience on PlayStation 3, while simultaneously making sure GÇ£Project LegionGÇ¥ becomes the experience weGÇÖve all dreamt of."
Reading comprehension check. "Jack and Jill went up the hill to have a little fun..." No wait, that's probably not a good example problem..
Wait, were was your source again? I didn't see it in your reply. Oh was that hysteria on the PS3 network? Not usable, eh? Heck, even the Dust server metrics are unchanged, apart form some Dust bunnies set out to destroy new player turnover numbers by their hysteria, yet while they keep playing the game, themselves. Just priceless. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
443
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Posted - 2014.05.08 07:26:00 -
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Y'all must be under the greenhouse effect. Legion will be on Unreal 4 just like Valkyrie and WiS. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM. |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
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Posted - 2014.05.08 07:40:00 -
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According to CCP Android, the UE3 that the DUST and Legion teams are using is SO heavily modified that moving to the UE4 would be more of a hassle than just adding the features themselves.
They already have most of the features of UE4 inside of their own modified engine. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
464
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Posted - 2014.05.08 07:45:00 -
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Octoven wrote:Last Wolf wrote:PC and console don't mix very well when it comes to First Person Shooters.... Keyboard + mouse users on the same server as joystick controller users would be a huge disadvantage to the controller users.
This of course depends on many factors such as aim assist for mouse only players as we saw in Dust...or personal skills being used, some console players can run circles round you. Mouse and Keyboard are by no means superior to interfacing except in terms of shortcuts and that really is it. ^Truth.
Most of the best DUST players use the DS3, even though M/K is available. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
19799
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Posted - 2014.05.08 07:51:00 -
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Solecist Project's Alt wrote:I don't see the point of your question.
The opinions aren't really relevant, no matter what.
So why even ask? It's a phenomenon commonly referred to as "The Potato Effect". Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
I like to gank it, gank it!
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1013
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Posted - 2014.05.08 08:22:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Seems Dust was just a test run for the game CCP really wanted.
I could live with that. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:53:00 -
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Anyway, I'll point out here that they said that the "prototype" runs under UE3. Prototypes and final release states are not always the same thing. Not saying it will, but not saying it wont. |
Arronicus
Ravens' Nest Outlaw Horizon.
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Posted - 2014.05.08 20:22:00 -
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mkint wrote: How do dust bunnies take part in chat channels without keyboards anyway?
Ingame keyboard, or plug in a usb keyboard to the PS3 via a USB Hub like I do. |
Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:27:00 -
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Looks like they're using UE3 according to this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161332&find=unread
And if this is anything to go by that's probably a good idea:
Quote:Performance Analysis: Daylight on PS4 and PC Digital Foundry compares both versions of Unreal Engine 4's gaming debut. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-daylight-performance-analysis |
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Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1777
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:29:00 -
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... I'm eating cake...
"HTFU ! " -á--- -áKatee Sackhoff, aka "The F-Bomb Queen of EVE" ! !-á
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5533
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:28:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Seems Dust was just a test run for the game CCP really wanted. I could live with that.
Agreed.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:58:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Kuronaga
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
273
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Posted - 2014.05.09 09:23:00 -
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The bigger problem is that CCP's monetization director is attempting to strip the entire SP system we as know it from Legion and replace it with an incredibly shallow system like battlefield has, basically allowing for close to no customization. |
Winters Chill
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
159
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Posted - 2014.05.09 11:52:00 -
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I want to see a complete reimagining of Dust 514 in Legion.
The only things that Legion and Dust should share is they are both FPS and both are set in the eve universe.
If CCP hold back on legion like it did on dust (for technical reasons), it will be a failure. |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
562
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Posted - 2014.05.09 13:14:00 -
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okst666 wrote:I would like to know why they changed valkyrie from Unity to U4. Just because they could and/or wanted to anyways, or if there were specific reasons. If a dev wants to answer, please become technical :D
UE4 doesn't need build time, except for source code. You can change scripts, levels, actors, lighting, BSP, whatever, and you can use/test it immediately.
Unity still needs some compile time, as it were, and also has a somewhat less efficient pipeline, as well as slightly older tech.
Legion is still using UE3 for obvious reasons - Content cannot be ported wholesale to UE4 due to the source code. So much work has gone into that that it's not worth switching engines anymore, despite the other advantages. UE3 can still do the job though.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Kristalll
Valkyrie Professional Resources
249
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Posted - 2014.05.09 13:21:00 -
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I don't really see them as two different games. Legion is just the natural progression of Dust. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
384
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:46:00 -
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Octoven wrote:[quote=Last Wolf] This of course depends on many factors such as aim assist for mouse only players as we saw in Dust...or personal skills being used, some console players can run circles round you. Mouse and Keyboard are by no means superior to interfacing except in terms of shortcuts and that really is it.
Just because people can get pretty good with controllers (which of course they can) doesn't mean m/k isn't intrinsically far superior for fps control. It is. All things being equal, player x will be much faster and better at an fps with an m/k than he will be with a controller.
The sole benefit of game controllers is that you can relax on a couch with them. |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
465
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:39:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Octoven wrote:[quote=Last Wolf] This of course depends on many factors such as aim assist for mouse only players as we saw in Dust...or personal skills being used, some console players can run circles round you. Mouse and Keyboard are by no means superior to interfacing except in terms of shortcuts and that really is it. Just because people can get pretty good with controllers (which of course they can) doesn't mean m/k isn't intrinsically far superior for fps control. It is. All things being equal, player x will be much faster and better at an fps with an m/k than he will be with a controller. The sole benefit of game controllers is that you can relax on a couch with them. Yes, but aim assist is there to compensate for that.
You can have pretty balanced MK vs Controllers. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
381
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Posted - 2014.05.12 05:11:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Octoven wrote:[quote=Last Wolf] This of course depends on many factors such as aim assist for mouse only players as we saw in Dust...or personal skills being used, some console players can run circles round you. Mouse and Keyboard are by no means superior to interfacing except in terms of shortcuts and that really is it. Just because people can get pretty good with controllers (which of course they can) doesn't mean m/k isn't intrinsically far superior for fps control. It is. All things being equal, player x will be much faster and better at an fps with an m/k than he will be with a controller. The sole benefit of game controllers is that you can relax on a couch with them.
I dont see the m/k being superior and im not saying the controller is superior. I see them equally in terms of abilities. The only difference here is your application of the device. Some people have better hand control, others have better thumb control and movement. The only thing superior here is playstyle to YOU. Each person is different, in terms of functionality, neither is technologically more superior. They both provide the same basic functions of core game play which is all that matters. Before CCP put aim assist into Dust for m/k players using it were bitching about the ineffectiveness to hit a target, all things being equal, player x will be much faster and better at an fps with whichever device said player feels the most comfortable and skilled with.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2014.05.12 05:26:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:mkint wrote: How do dust bunnies take part in chat channels without keyboards anyway?
Ingame keyboard, or plug in a usb keyboard to the PS3 via a USB Hub like I do. What, they don't use headsets? All the PC FPS' I've played we used headsets. That way when someone gets on comms and starts ranting hysterically about how the end of the game-world is coming, and he has a squeaky 12yo's voice, we can just push his freaking little mute button and go on with our game
(ps no I didn't bump this awesome thread ) |
Rumtin
Imperium Technologies
68
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Posted - 2014.05.12 12:41:00 -
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Legion looks like a DUST 2.0, most likely going to fail just as hard as the first.
Maybe it wasn't a good idea to bring in those former EA guys after all... |
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
58
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Posted - 2014.05.12 15:58:00 -
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Octoven wrote: On the flip side the PS3 only gets a single core chip running 3.2 GHz with a 550MHz GPU and 256 MB( yes lol MB) of DDR3 RAM.
The CELL has more than a single core just an FYI and its 512mb RAM total, 256 for system and games and 256 for the RSX GPU
I'm not going to defend how limited or old the hardware is though, releasing dust on the PS3 was a bad idea to begin with considering how close we were to the PS3's end, The PS4 is more of a PC in a console box but personally i would just avoid the console market altogether, even with the PS4 you're still not going to get a decent cross platform experience because either the console players will get trounced by the PC users or the PC experience will be crippled to the point that its horrible to play just to make it fair on the console players. |
Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
465
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:17:00 -
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Cypherous wrote:Octoven wrote: On the flip side the PS3 only gets a single core chip running 3.2 GHz with a 550MHz GPU and 256 MB( yes lol MB) of DDR3 RAM. The CELL has more than a single core just an FYI and its 512mb RAM total, 256 for system and games and 256 for the RSX GPU I'm not going to defend how limited or old the hardware is though, releasing dust on the PS3 was a bad idea to begin with considering how close we were to the PS3's end, The PS4 is more of a PC in a console box but personally i would just avoid the console market altogether, even with the PS4 you're still not going to get a decent cross platform experience because either the console players will get trounced by the PC users or the PC experience will be crippled to the point that its horrible to play just to make it fair on the console players. No, the CELL IS a single core, but it's somewhat divided into 8 processing units called SPE's. 1 SPE is reserved for security, another is turned off for a reason I forgot about, and that leaves 6 SPE's for developers. It's a weird, non standard setup, which is why developers had trouble with it for a long time. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
Batelle
Tymast Industries 150th
2601
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:24:00 -
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Rumtin wrote:Legion looks like a DUST 2.0, most likely going to fail just as hard as the first. Maybe it wasn't a good idea to bring in those former EA guys after all...
I don't think it was the EA guys that decided to launch Dust on PS3 in the first place. But it seems they're finally realizing what a stupid idea that was. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
59
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Posted - 2014.05.12 19:26:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote: No, the CELL IS a single core, but it's somewhat divided into 8 processing units called SPE's. 1 SPE is reserved for security, another is turned off for a reason I forgot about, and that leaves 6 SPE's for developers. It's a weird, non standard setup, which is why developers had trouble with it for a long time.
1 SPE is disabled to improve production quantities, even if a SPE is damaged during production it can still be used effectively without having to be discarded, it does also mean that there will be a number of CELL processors out there able to use all 8 SPE's but cant due to it being disabled, companies like AMD and Intel doe the same thing and just underclock and disable cores to sell the damaged chip as a lower specced model, certain cores can be "unlocked" although its not reliable
And yes one of the major issues with the PS3 was how difficult it was to code for compared to other platforms, but thankfully we're now past that era and on to more traditional x86 based products |
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