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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.05.13 04:59:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:wouldn't be surprised if a goon challenge coin gets minted, if one or several haven't been already. also, if more player organizations had stickers, the Harpa convention center would have problems
wait.
I haven't attended fanfest, so I don't know: how bad is the sticker problem at the businesses involved in hosting it? the bars, restaurants, hotels, etc
From what I gather the businesses usually welcomed Eve players. Aside from a select few causing a problem. The sticker on the monument was what I was refering to. I don't think the goons would also put stickers every where. One sticker followed by a photo op is one thing. But plastering them all over would be like spamming local.... wait this is the goons we are talking about... too soon? -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.05.13 11:08:00 -
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I mean... who brings one sticker to fanfest (where were the rest placed) President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Rainfleet Mk III-á |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.05.13 11:55:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
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Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9754
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:32:00 -
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Where do you come from that "take your feigned indignation elsewhere" is a personal attack? Did you see big words you didn't understand and figured I was being a big meanie that needed to be censored? "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Bob Maths
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.05.14 05:55:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Where do you come from that "take your feigned indignation elsewhere" is a personal attack? Did you see big words you didn't understand and figured I was being a big meanie that needed to be censored?
I think they're trying to implement a fascist state. Oh, sorry I didn't realise I was posting 11 years from the start of EVE.
Regardless, it's not who's it's whose. Or you could say the individual whom had his name defaced....
Was this entirely expected and is it possible to reveal vaguely how the culprits were caught? |
Izuru Hishido
Lethal Dosage. Violent Society
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Posted - 2014.05.14 07:49:00 -
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Very, very pleased by this response, CCP. I think this was well handled, there is no good reason to carry a grudge out into a CCP sponsored events, much less damaging something that has an impact on every EVE player. Regardless of whether they are apologetic or not, I believe that you made the right choice, CCP. The punishment fit the crime, you did not take excessive measures (to my knowledge,) and if anyone had done that to any of my character names, I would have been justifiably upset. All the same, CCP, I'm very happy with the direction you took this.
Thank you for acting so justly. |
XMaxan
The Legion of X
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Posted - 2014.05.14 09:41:00 -
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I feel compelled to agree that permanent banning of those that have admitted to their deeds is a bit, over the top if you will.
Comments that depict this punishment as "only removing them from a video game" only point out that the monument itself is for this very same video game. So the real question is do you value the game or not?
I do feel that punishment is necessary even to those that turned themselves in, but a temporary ban and perhaps in game punishments I believe would have sufficed. If anything releasing the in game name of those individuals to allow the player community to exact revenge would do, as it would either make the game unplayable to them (same as being banned) or at least give them some temporary grief.
The punishment is CCP's choice, but to be fair if this insult is to the entire EVE Community then I believe that the punishment should be discussed by and chosen by the EVE Community.
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.05.14 10:10:00 -
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XMaxan wrote:I feel compelled to agree that permanent banning of those that have admitted to their deeds is a bit, over the top if you will.
Comments that depict this punishment as "only removing them from a video game" only point out that the monument itself is for this very same video game. So the real question is do you value the game or not?
I do feel that punishment is necessary even to those that turned themselves in, but a temporary ban and perhaps in game punishments I believe would have sufficed. If anything releasing the in game name of those individuals to allow the player community to exact revenge would do, as it would either make the game unplayable to them (same as being banned) or at least give them some temporary grief.
The punishment is CCP's choice, but to be fair if this insult is to the entire EVE Community then I believe that the punishment should be discussed by and chosen by the EVE Community.
I am agreeing with you and disagreeing with you. On the lines of the punishment a "jury by your peers" might have been a good idea. However, the thing is that this was real life property of CCP and was suject to Iceland Laws. That being said even though this is the players monument CCP still owns and maintains the property. I think you bring good points on both sides of this. Nice post mate. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:44:00 -
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bro you got modded be proud ( "____ the police" ?) President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Rainfleet Mk III-á |
Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
156
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:19:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Yes. For there is only one responsible for my actions, namely me. Even if I wasn't aware of the consequences or possible later repercussions at the time of those actions.
Precisely.
At the end of the day, the only person you have to truly be accountable to is yourself.
Or, to put it another way:
'Give a million dollars to a jerk and all you will have is a jerk with a million dollars.' |
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CCP Falcon
7100
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Posted - 2014.05.15 02:26:00 -
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Hey guys,
A little update on this, I'd like to point out that there's a few news and media agencies who've took it upon themselves to use hearsay and rumor in order to get their stories together, rather than coming to us for clarification.
Most of these rumors surround the fatbee that was stuck to the monument for photos on thte day it was unveiled. There's a few media outlets who are incorrectly referencing Goonswarm as the vandals, despite the fact that the sticker was put there simply for fun, and was removed a few hours later with no damage.
They seem to be confusing a little bit of fun with an actual act of vandalism. Although this isn't our doing, Goonswarm, you have my apologies. We're working on contacting several outlets to let them know that their stories are incorrect and should be edited.
Just an FYI
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.05.15 03:26:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys, A little update on this, I'd like to point out that there's a few news and media agencies who've took it upon themselves to use hearsay and rumor in order to get their stories together, rather than coming to us for clarification. Most of these rumors surround the fatbee that was stuck to the monument for photos on thte day it was unveiled. There's a few media outlets who are incorrectly referencing Goonswarm as the vandals, despite the fact that the sticker was put there simply for fun, and was removed a few hours later with no damage. They seem to be confusing a little bit of fun with an actual act of vandalism. Although this isn't our doing, Goonswarm, you have my apologies. We're working on contacting several outlets to let them know that their stories are incorrect and should be edited. Just an FYI
Falcon you could agree although the vandalism was horrible the sticker was rather amusing. It is a way for someone to make their mark without making it permanent. It is was a goon thats fine and it was fun. If it wasn't a goon... great way to get them under the proverbial whopping stick. A little humor was good scratching a name out... that should be a bannable offense... oh wait... yeah. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:05:00 -
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what you meant to say is 'thanks goons for the harmless hype / press coverage' President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Rainfleet Mk III-á |
Erien Rand
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.05.15 05:37:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys, A little update on this, I'd like to point out that there's a few news and media agencies who've took it upon themselves to use hearsay and rumor in order to get their stories together, rather than coming to us for clarification. Most of these rumors surround the fatbee that was stuck to the monument for photos on thte day it was unveiled. There's a few media outlets who are incorrectly referencing Goonswarm as the vandals, despite the fact that the sticker was put there simply for fun, and was removed a few hours later with no damage. They seem to be confusing a little bit of fun with an actual act of vandalism. Although this isn't our doing, Goonswarm, you have my apologies. We're working on contacting several outlets to let them know that their stories are incorrect and should be edited. Just an FYI
CCP Falcon, While I understand that you don't want Goonswarm unfairly labeled as the criminals in this matter and I agree with the sentiment, I would be careful about calling the sticker "harmless fun" unless of course you want that beautiful monument covered with every manner of corp/alliance paraphernalia next fanfest.
I could see CCP being ok with that, after all it is an expression of players enthusiasm for the game, but it could quickly get out of hand and cost real time and money to clean up even if there is no permanent damage. Perhaps you could clarify. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.05.15 05:54:00 -
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oh god we're already talking about next fanfest!
jk but about the paraphernalia, how many player organisations have stickers? I'm under the impression the number is small President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Rainfleet Mk III-á |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.05.15 06:03:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:oh god we're already talking about next fanfest!
jk but about the paraphernalia, how many player organisations have stickers? I'm under the impression the number is small
More than you think. I am actually of thinking about starting a collection. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Tryaz
Improvised Tactics
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Posted - 2014.05.15 09:21:00 -
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mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? I strongly disagree with this sentiment. As adults it was expected of the vandals that they own up and turn themselves in, had they not done so that would simply have been a further reprehensible act. Were I ever fool enough to find myself in their shoes I would be absolutely mortified to be shown leniency. This is what it means to be an adult. Narrator of Chronicles of New Eden, the EVE audiobook series. Listen at www.soundcloud.com/chroniclesofneweden |
Tryaz
Improvised Tactics
88
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Posted - 2014.05.15 09:25:00 -
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Erien Rand wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys, A little update on this, I'd like to point out that there's a few news and media agencies who've took it upon themselves to use hearsay and rumor in order to get their stories together, rather than coming to us for clarification. Most of these rumors surround the fatbee that was stuck to the monument for photos on thte day it was unveiled. There's a few media outlets who are incorrectly referencing Goonswarm as the vandals, despite the fact that the sticker was put there simply for fun, and was removed a few hours later with no damage. They seem to be confusing a little bit of fun with an actual act of vandalism. Although this isn't our doing, Goonswarm, you have my apologies. We're working on contacting several outlets to let them know that their stories are incorrect and should be edited. Just an FYI CCP Falcon, While I understand that you don't want Goonswarm unfairly labeled as the criminals in this matter and I agree with the sentiment, I would be careful about calling the sticker "harmless fun" unless of course you want that beautiful monument covered with every manner of corp/alliance paraphernalia next fanfest. I could see CCP being ok with that, after all it is an expression of players enthusiasm for the game, but it could quickly get out of hand and cost real time and money to clean up even if there is no permanent damage. Perhaps you could clarify.
imo CCP Falcon is correct in his assessment and a sticker quickly removed is not an issue (even if it is childish). I would compare that to a flag /sign held up beside the monument or even a logo photoshopped on after the fact. It's not vandalism it's just low humour in poor taste
Narrator of Chronicles of New Eden, the EVE audiobook series. Listen at www.soundcloud.com/chroniclesofneweden |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5221
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Posted - 2014.05.15 12:05:00 -
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Tryaz wrote:imo CCP Falcon is correct in his assessment and a sticker quickly removed is not an issue (even if it is childish). I would compare that to a flag /sign held up beside the monument or even a logo photoshopped on after the fact. It's not vandalism it's just low humour in poor taste
Really, you think holding a flag beside a monument or photoshopping to be low humour and in poor taste?
You must be fun at parties.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
573
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Posted - 2014.05.15 17:54:00 -
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Tryaz wrote:
imo CCP Falcon is correct in his assessment and a sticker quickly removed is not an issue (even if it is childish). I would compare that to a flag /sign held up beside the monument or even a logo photoshopped on after the fact. It's not vandalism it's just low humour in poor taste
I wouldn't call a "few hours" quickly removed. And who knows what chemicals were in the glue on the sticker? Something in it might react with the sea air to cause staining.
And humor is one of those things pretty much in the eye of the beholder - you can never be sure in our multicultural EVE world when it might be considered a serious troll or insult.
Best to just be hands off the monument completely.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.05.16 11:34:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Tryaz wrote:imo CCP Falcon is correct in his assessment and a sticker quickly removed is not an issue (even if it is childish). I would compare that to a flag /sign held up beside the monument or even a logo photoshopped on after the fact. It's not vandalism it's just low humour in poor taste
Really, you think holding a flag beside a monument or photoshopping to be low humour and in poor taste? You must be fun at parties. let's be fair, it's kinda hard to top Panda McLegion.
Panda..... McLegion! omg gets me every time I see it President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet mk.III-á| Twitch | Imgur | Content \o/ |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5323
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Posted - 2014.05.16 16:35:00 -
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Now that we know a sticker is just 'harmless fun', I look forward to seeing how many are pasted on the monument next year.
Once might be harmless, but by CCP apparently saying that it is of no consequence and not taking it seriously, I suspect there will be dozens, if not hundreds of them plastered on the statue next Fanfest.
That will not be good for anyone.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9887
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Posted - 2014.05.16 20:36:00 -
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Who else even has stickers? We have our own merchandise shop that sells them $0.50 per. I seriously doubt it will ever be a major problem. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4899
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Posted - 2014.05.17 01:59:00 -
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Oh look everybody wants to start gaming what vandalism is or is not. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Mass Doe
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.17 15:00:00 -
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Ok forgive my naivet+¬. I am a mega noob.
Is this a real life monument? Or is it graphics somewhere in game. If the latter how on earth could it get vandalized?
Again im opening myself up for a bash here but I am honestly curious about this? I promise I am not trolling. |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1153
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Posted - 2014.05.17 16:40:00 -
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Mass Doe wrote:Ok forgive my naivet+¬. I am a mega noob.
Is this a real life monument? Or is it graphics somewhere in game. If the latter how on earth could it get vandalized?
Again im opening myself up for a bash here but I am honestly curious about this? I promise I am not trolling.
Real.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4299
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Posted - 2014.05.18 12:04:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:
Best to just be hands off the monument completely.
Best just bulldoze it into the ocean so no one else's feelies get hurted by the next thing that happens to it "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1187
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Posted - 2014.05.18 16:24:00 -
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You cater to a neckbeards and children with bullying issues, and you really expected any different behavior other than what you get?
It's sad, but i'm actually looking forwards to my accounts expiring, so I don't have an excuse to troll here anymore.
The game had great possibilities, but CCP has no clue how to fix all the problems, and clearly can't get competent coders to go to that wasteland called Iceland.
CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....." |
Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.05.18 20:31:00 -
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contract me your stuff first President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet mk.III-á| Twitch | Imgur | Content \o/ |
Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2014.05.18 21:56:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:You cater to a neckbeards and children with bullying issues, and you really expected any different behavior other than what you get? It's sad, but i'm actually looking forwards to my accounts expiring, so I don't have an excuse to troll here anymore. The game had great possibilities, but CCP has no clue how to fix all the problems, and clearly can't get competent coders to go to that wasteland called Iceland. With an attitude like that, it's not sad in the least. Keep your stuff. Bye o/ TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
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