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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9967
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Posted - 2014.05.18 22:30:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:You cater to a neckbeards and children with bullying issues, and you really expected any different behavior other than what you get? It's sad, but i'm actually looking forwards to my accounts expiring, so I don't have an excuse to troll here anymore. The game had great possibilities, but CCP has no clue how to fix all the problems, and clearly can't get competent coders to go to that wasteland called Iceland. Good riddance you're finally leaving. That's a reward in itself. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Markus45
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.05.19 03:31:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:You cater to a neckbeards and children with bullying issues, and you really expected any different behavior other than what you get? Pretty much this. Most of the game's problems come down to, "catering to neckbeards and man-children with bullying issues"
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
9
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Posted - 2014.05.19 06:11:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:You cater to a neckbeards and children with bullying issues, and you really expected any different behavior other than what you get? It's sad, but i'm actually looking forwards to my accounts expiring, so I don't have an excuse to troll here anymore. The game had great possibilities, but CCP has no clue how to fix all the problems, and clearly can't get competent coders to go to that wasteland called Iceland.
Can I have your ships so I can 100 noobs blow them up with fireworks? Just asking.... -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Markus45
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2014.05.19 15:13:00 -
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Also confirming that cyberbullying people dozens of times is a lot worse a thing to do than defacing a monument while drunk.
There are hundreds of members of EVE Online who have cyberbullied other members of EVE Online dozens of times. Almost none of those hundreds we're ever banned.
CCP once again fails to have consistency in their thinking.
Their tldr is pretty much: "Screw around with others, that's cool. Screw around with us, not cool." The argument of "real life" vs "the internet" will come into play here... my response to that is all interaction over the internet occurs in real life. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3678
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Posted - 2014.05.19 15:50:00 -
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Blowing up your Internet spaceship is not vandalism. nor, in fact, does it constitute cyberbullying. Don't dilute the term by confusing legitimate-but-ruthless game activity with actual personal harassment with the intent of causing emotional distress.
The last time I recall seeing a genuine case of cyberbullying in this community, the individual in question was kicked off the CSM, swiftly and efficiently. The last time I saw an actual crime committed in this community and involving the game, the response was similarly swift and merciless.
HTFU. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Auar
Rough x Riders Masters of Flying Objects
6
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Posted - 2014.05.19 18:31:00 -
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Might be a good idea to install station guns on the monument to discourage future vandalism... |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
386
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Posted - 2014.05.19 21:20:00 -
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CCP attack post has been removed. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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Ketata Shardani
done fours
0
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Posted - 2014.05.20 07:59:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:TheMercenaryKing wrote:Is the Icelandic judicial system involved? I know it's a crime, but how far is CCP going? That is probably an issue between CCP, the criminal system and the accused. We don't have any need to know. now I don't how it works in Iceland but in the U.S. all criminal cases, charges, court process are public record which could lead to further crimes committed towards the vandals which is probably not what CCP wants. Artillery, some say Minmatar. I say KING OF BATTLE HOOAH |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2882
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:23:00 -
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I want a public auction of all seized in-game assets
I also, tend to agree that public humiliation is one of the best deterrents with financial reparations coming in as a close second, but I respect CCP for choosing a course and sticking to it.
Well played CCP! |
Ravasta Helugo
Republic University Minmatar Republic
285
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Posted - 2014.05.22 19:28:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument? Permanent CONCORD spawn. |
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Steven Alfrir
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2014.05.25 05:35:00 -
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They deserve to be ripped apart in a gladiator match hosted in the Colosseum in Rome. Nuff said |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4548
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Posted - 2014.05.26 07:22:00 -
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Steven Alfrir wrote:They deserve to be ripped apart in a gladiator match hosted in the Colosseum in Rome. Nuff said
I dont know where to begin pointing out the things wrong with this sentence "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
393
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Posted - 2014.05.26 13:25:00 -
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Hmmm no lynching party then
Wot about a firing squad one post embedded deep in to the ground one length of rope to tie the permaban to and 20 fully auto paintball guns with 200 balls per gun and tie him semi naked (he gets to keep his underwear on) to the post.
Then give him PAAIIINNNN!!!! You only-árealise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead. |
breadic jackson
Capsuleer Training
0
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Posted - 2014.05.27 15:45:00 -
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In the words of evefest 2014. Distry distry distry the hide of some people |
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
0
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Posted - 2014.05.28 14:56:00 -
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I read the entire thread and find it highly interesting that all or most players consider permabanning the offenders a fitting response or even too lenient. Especially if I compare it to the banning of Erotica1. Let`s recap some of the arguments of Erotica's defenders:
- It's not against the EULA. - The game is marketed as "be the villain", so let him be as evil as he likes. - The incident was out of game (on a TS server). You cannot react ingame to out of game actions. - Publicly deriding others is acceptable metagame and should be supported. - I lol'd, so let him go free. - You just want to impose your questionable moral standards on others. - This is a slippery slope towards banning everyone for no apparent reason.
All these arguments could be applied to this incident as well. Where are all the defenders of the sandbox now?
Personally I couldn't care less if a monument in a remote country is defaced or not. I am also not affected by someone being humilated in the internet. But I know I would rather be and play with people who commit very light cases of vandalism than people who enjoy humiliating others. |
Sissy Fuzz
Sissy Fuzz Communications
21
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Posted - 2014.05.28 22:43:00 -
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mkint wrote:Most people don't consider vandalism to be that big a deal (unless it happens to themselves.)
Where do you have that degenerate notion from?
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4614
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Posted - 2014.05.29 08:53:00 -
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Sissy Fuzz wrote:mkint wrote:Most people don't consider vandalism to be that big a deal (unless it happens to themselves.) Where do you have that degenerate notion from?
From observation of the world around him, Ill bet.
You cleaned any grafitti up that you didnt cause or is not on your property or something you are responsible for recently?
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2968
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Posted - 2014.05.29 12:16:00 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:I read the entire thread and find it highly interesting that all or most players consider permabanning the offenders a fitting response or even too lenient. Especially if I compare it to the banning of Erotica1. Let`s recap some of the arguments of Erotica's defenders:
- It's not against the EULA. - The game is marketed as "be the villain", so let him be as evil as he likes. - The incident was out of game (on a TS server). You cannot react ingame to out of game actions. - Publicly deriding others is acceptable metagame and should be supported. - I lol'd, so let him go free. - You just want to impose your questionable moral standards on others. - This is a slippery slope towards banning everyone for no apparent reason.
All these arguments could be applied to this incident as well. Where are all the defenders of the sandbox now?
Personally I couldn't care less if a monument in a remote country is defaced or not. I am also not affected by someone being humilated in the internet. But I know I would rather be and play with people who commit very light cases of vandalism than people who enjoy humiliating others.
So let me understand, you're fine with people vandalizing other peoples property, ruining a piece of work for the community, and causing real monetary damage
but if you ask someone to sing a song on teamspeak, thats unacceptable!
Priorities are a bit backwards there, mate |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4623
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Posted - 2014.05.29 12:46:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Sequester Risalo wrote:I read the entire thread and find it highly interesting that all or most players consider permabanning the offenders a fitting response or even too lenient. Especially if I compare it to the banning of Erotica1. Let`s recap some of the arguments of Erotica's defenders:
- It's not against the EULA. - The game is marketed as "be the villain", so let him be as evil as he likes. - The incident was out of game (on a TS server). You cannot react ingame to out of game actions. - Publicly deriding others is acceptable metagame and should be supported. - I lol'd, so let him go free. - You just want to impose your questionable moral standards on others. - This is a slippery slope towards banning everyone for no apparent reason.
All these arguments could be applied to this incident as well. Where are all the defenders of the sandbox now?
Personally I couldn't care less if a monument in a remote country is defaced or not. I am also not affected by someone being humilated in the internet. But I know I would rather be and play with people who commit very light cases of vandalism than people who enjoy humiliating others. So let me understand, you're fine with people vandalizing other peoples property, ruining a piece of work for the community, and causing real monetary damage but if you ask someone to sing a song on teamspeak, thats unacceptable! Priorities are a bit backwards there, mate
That's not what was said, but feel free to exaggerate the semantics to suit your point of view. "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
598
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Posted - 2014.05.29 17:16:00 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:I read the entire thread and find it highly interesting that all or most players consider permabanning the offenders a fitting response or even too lenient. Especially if I compare it to the banning of Erotica1. Let`s recap some of the arguments of Erotica's defenders:
- It's not against the EULA. - The game is marketed as "be the villain", so let him be as evil as he likes. - The incident was out of game (on a TS server). You cannot react ingame to out of game actions. - Publicly deriding others is acceptable metagame and should be supported. - I lol'd, so let him go free. - You just want to impose your questionable moral standards on others. - This is a slippery slope towards banning everyone for no apparent reason.
All these arguments could be applied to this incident as well. Where are all the defenders of the sandbox now?
Personally I couldn't care less if a monument in a remote country is defaced or not. I am also not affected by someone being humilated in the internet. But I know I would rather be and play with people who commit very light cases of vandalism than people who enjoy humiliating others. Are you really comparing a scam that combined some possibly questionable tear milking with real world vandalism that had financial and legal ramifications? New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
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Mythrandier
Corporate Scum Cult of War
373
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Posted - 2014.05.29 19:59:00 -
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Sometimes I really am ashamed to be a member of our species.
It's a game for fracks sake, sheesh. "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams. |
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
0
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Posted - 2014.05.30 06:53:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Are you really comparing a scam that combined some possibly questionable tear milking with real world vandalism that had financial and legal ramifications?
Although I do have an opinion on both incidents and I do indeed value the integrity and well being of persons and their privacy higher than the integrity and well-being of things that was not the point I was trying to make.
I was simply calling out Erotica1 apologists as hypocrites. They raised their arguments in one case and are silent in another. Seems like they don't stick to their own beliefs.
If their arguments, which I simply restated, seem weak to you in this case, guess what they are in the other. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4638
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:07:00 -
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Mythrandier wrote: Sometimes I really am ashamed to be a member of our species.
It's a game for fracks sake, sheesh.
Actually, its a monument
But I can see how you might be confused "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4638
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:09:00 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Are you really comparing a scam that combined some possibly questionable tear milking with real world vandalism that had financial and legal ramifications? Although I do have an opinion on both incidents and I do indeed value the integrity and well being of persons and their privacy higher than the integrity and well-being of things that was not the point I was trying to make. I was simply calling out Erotica1 apologists as hypocrites. They raised their arguments in one case and are silent in another. Seems like they don't stick to their own beliefs. If their arguments, which I simply restated, seem weak to you in this case, guess what they are in the other.
"There is no weaker argument than attacking someone in absentium" - Charles M Schultz
Go on, names and citations please, or are you just climbing up that ivory tower to be seen and heard? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2968
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Posted - 2014.05.30 10:43:00 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Are you really comparing a scam that combined some possibly questionable tear milking with real world vandalism that had financial and legal ramifications? Although I do have an opinion on both incidents and I do indeed value the integrity and well being of persons and their privacy higher than the integrity and well-being of things that was not the point I was trying to make. I was simply calling out Erotica1 apologists as hypocrites. They raised their arguments in one case and are silent in another. Seems like they don't stick to their own beliefs. If their arguments, which I simply restated, seem weak to you in this case, guess what they are in the other.
Did you miss the part of the erotica1 ordeal where the "victim" himself came out and said he wasn't bothered by it at all - he just lost his temper, but that it wasn't a big deal to him?
Either you're unfortunately uninformed about this issue, or you're deliberately misrepresenting it, or just merely parroting what riptard said
Edit to bring it back on topic: And again, there's a big difference between someone getting irritated or annoyed by events in a video game they're playing, and willfully damaging or destroying other peoples real world property. There's no hypocrisy because the two situations are so wildly different that only a fool would compare them. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4644
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Posted - 2014.05.30 11:20:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote: there's a big difference between someone getting irritated or annoyed by events in a video game they're playing, and willfully damaging or destroying other peoples real world property. There's no hypocrisy because the two situations are so wildly different that only a fool would compare them.
This is true
Though what I dont get is why people are so upset about a bit of damage to a thing they want to kill or maim over it
When I kill or main I dont need an excuse to get all pissy about "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
611
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Posted - 2014.05.30 16:54:00 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Are you really comparing a scam that combined some possibly questionable tear milking with real world vandalism that had financial and legal ramifications? Although I do have an opinion on both incidents and I do indeed value the integrity and well being of persons and their privacy higher than the integrity and well-being of things that was not the point I was trying to make. I was simply calling out Erotica1 apologists as hypocrites. They raised their arguments in one case and are silent in another. Seems like they don't stick to their own beliefs. If their arguments, which I simply restated, seem weak to you in this case, guess what they are in the other. No need to use the third person here. I participated in some bonus rooms, felt a little uncomfortable with some aspects of it, and stopped. If Ero was guilty of anything, it was taking trolling a little too far. He never set out to commit criminal actions (and in my eyes did not deserve a permanent ban). You are comparing two very different cases, claiming that arguments can stand irrespective of the subject being argued.
What you don't seem to understand is that this incident is unrelated to eve as a game. It is criminal action that is hurtful towards the eve playerbase as a whole.
Quote:- It's not against the EULA. - The game is marketed as "be the villain", so let him be as evil as he likes. - The incident was out of game (on a TS server). You cannot react ingame to out of game actions. - Publicly deriding others is acceptable metagame and should be supported. - I lol'd, so let him go free. - You just want to impose your questionable moral standards on others. - This is a slippery slope towards banning everyone for no apparent reason. "Its not against the EULA" - I believe ccp cares about criminal actions at tad more than the EULA in most cases. "The incident was out of game (on a TS server). You cannot react ingame to out of game actions." - This argument is bullshit to begin with. Even so, Ero was probably (noone except CCP knows for sure) banned for ingame references to out of game actions. "Publicly deriding others is acceptable metagame and should be supported." - Doesn't apply to the current topic in any way. "I lol'd, so let him go free." - What? "You just want to impose your questionable moral standards on others." - Have you actually bothered mentioning arguments or are you just listing fallacies from a philosophy textbook? "This is a slippery slope towards banning everyone for no apparent reason." - I guess that answers the previous question.
Ramona McCandless wrote:This is true
Though what I dont get is why people are so upset about a bit of damage to a thing they want to kill or maim over it
When I kill or main I dont need an excuse to get all pissy about Obviously some people aren't as well adjusted as you are Ramona! New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Jawa Strong
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.05.30 17:02:00 -
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"Secondly, we would like to reiterate that we do not tolerate this kind of behavior and will continue to operate a zero tolerance approach to dealing with harassment and victimization in the EVE Universe. "
This seems hypocritical. When harassment and victimization in the EVE Universe is encouraged and rewarded. When issues of this nature are brought up the response has always been "Working as Intended". The monument should have had better security. It got ganked. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10168
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Posted - 2014.05.30 21:21:00 -
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Jawa Strong wrote:When harassment and victimization in the EVE Universe is encouraged and rewarded. No, it isn't. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
208
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Posted - 2014.05.31 17:14:00 -
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I only just learned of this, how lame that these people went to iceland just to wreck the monument, what shallow pathetic fleshy blobs they must be, to have that little moral fibre and respect.
I hope the people who did it have to pay the repair costs too, let them realise that real world crime has real world consequence. Internet spaceships ends when they leave the computer. I hope CCP can also find a way to permaban them eternally, just to really drive home the message about taking game grudges into the real world and how its not acceptable.
This all make Mittens fanfest ordeal seem quite sedate and irrelevant tbh |
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